Let me back up a little. The new man is clean, without sin, perfect and holy, born of God. He does not need cleansed. Never did. What I am describing is the putting to death the deeds of the flesh, by the power of the Holy Spirit. These deeds do affect us, and they must be answered for. Jesus cleanses us from all of the unrighteousness of these deeds. The inner man, he is clean completely. He only needs his feet washed. He washes our feet in His blood also.
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That's ok, I wasn't rapping on you - just wanted to clarify it. I think there is also a theological disagreement here - I believe in OSAS so from my point of view, it makes sense that Jesus only needs to cleanse once. I take it that you believe that is not true? If so, then I can understand why you reacted the way you did to my response.
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Ah I know what you are referring to - the verse found in the Gospels when Jesus was washing His disciples' feet in the upper room during the last supper. I did a study on it and got stuck. I think I will make a new thread so everyone can study it - it's a very interesting one with theological complications on salvation, discipline, and asking for forgiveness of our sins.
God is the Holy Spirit.. Jesus is God.. when Jesus cleanses away sin.. the Holy Spirit is aswell.
What is the sealing of the Holy Spirit.. if not the same thing as entrusting your salvation with Jesus?
Born of water and the Spirit.. this is being born of the Holy Spirit.. spiritually being born again..after earlier being born of our mother's womb (the water) how does this come about? By entrusting your salvation with Jesus.. what does Jesus do? Cleanse away our sins!
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Rom 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
1Co 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
2Co 5:5 Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.
(Gal 3:2) This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Heb 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
1Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
1Jn 4:13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.
I could go on..
But the point is.. the Father, Son and Holy Spirit work as one being.. together.. co-equal and co-terminus.. when one does something so do the others.
One being.. three essences or substances.
We receive Jesus.. we receive the Spirit.. both are associated with being granted eternal life.. actually so is the Father- who gives eternal life. What is being granted eternal life.. believing Jesus can save you from your sin - entrusting Him with your salvation.
So you see many many verses with the three essences working as one.. not as seperate beings.
I know this isn't about the trinity.. but seperating Jesus from the Holy Spirit isn't a good idea given the way they act as one with the Father.
What is the sealing of the Holy Spirit.. if not the same thing as entrusting your salvation with Jesus?
Born of water and the Spirit.. this is being born of the Holy Spirit.. spiritually being born again..after earlier being born of our mother's womb (the water) how does this come about? By entrusting your salvation with Jesus.. what does Jesus do? Cleanse away our sins!
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Rom 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
1Co 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
2Co 5:5 Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.
(Gal 3:2) This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Heb 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
1Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
1Jn 4:13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.
I could go on..
But the point is.. the Father, Son and Holy Spirit work as one being.. together.. co-equal and co-terminus.. when one does something so do the others.
One being.. three essences or substances.
We receive Jesus.. we receive the Spirit.. both are associated with being granted eternal life.. actually so is the Father- who gives eternal life. What is being granted eternal life.. believing Jesus can save you from your sin - entrusting Him with your salvation.
So you see many many verses with the three essences working as one.. not as seperate beings.
I know this isn't about the trinity.. but seperating Jesus from the Holy Spirit isn't a good idea given the way they act as one with the Father.