Division in the church

[ISeeYou]

I can really say that I'm not singling you out because God is no respecter of persons and/or an impartial Judge. As such, whatever truth there is applies to all of us. Anyhow, as I cited from Paul to the Corinthians, it was the behavior of those with whom he was dealing which influenced the manner of his approach. Again, I trust that he preferred "the spirit of meekness", but he often had to use the rod...WITH WEEPING. IOW, those who use the rod without genuinely having a heart towards others are not reflecting either the Spirit of Christ or Paul, but there is certainly a place for correction and a big place at that (as the Bible shows from cover to cover).

Now com on, look how you worded that first sentence... YOU arent singling me out because GOD is no respecter of persons? I had to take a double take on that LOL

I am not against rebuke, or correction or the rod or whichever, there is just very little of the bowels of affections and brother love in preferring others above yourself, gentlessness, peace and joyfulness, that fervent unfeigned love or this deep bond that just seems to be missing.

Its hard to over look this void, I also find this confusing too in the House of God, and Im always thinking, man, am I even in the right house? I mean words like, a cage full of hateful birds just seems so prohetically right on at times (where I might be hanging out) wherever that might be and I think man, I am so in trouble then because Im cut assunder with the same or something. Those things cross my mind you know, right or wrong, I mean that too might be partly the reason ones life and doctrine is important to they which hear you, they do examine even as Jesus tells us that they will be known by their fruits. People do make it that folks who rebuke dont have fruit, thats a lie, that would mean that Christ didnt, an open rebuke is better then hidden love and so I agree as He says, that those I love I rebuke. But you got to look for more then just that.

 

[secularhermit]

What does this mean, prophetically?

Mat 16:18 And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Let´s see where the endurance of His saints is!



Rev 14:12 Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus.

 

[SoulWeaver]

the Osas the law music that is evil the rapture these are some of the main subjects that cause disunity and chaos in the church. I have benn pondering about this, frankly i hate the disunity i dont like how the church divides and goes against each other but i remember How jesus said he did not come to unite but to bring a sword or at least i think thats what he said. but I also remember how he said a house divided against itself cannot stand. But is this disunity necessary? is it to seperate the wheat from the chaff? Or is it simply the enemies tactic to bring down the church?

i also understan the one world government the one world religion that is rearing its ugly head calls for unity. i wonder who will succeed in unity first the one world agenda or Gods church?

If you already know this, you should remember that God's way is not darknessing about the darkness, but lighting the light.
This is a wrong thread to bring about good.

 

[cmarieh]

God doesn't do denominations - that is a man-made product, a product of different interpretations of truth and in some cases adding or taking away from God's word. A prime example is Catholicism.

Romans 12:5
so in Christ we, though many, form one body, and each member belongs to all the others.

 

[Moose_Almighty]

With an open mind here's how I see it, look at the different denominations of the Churches of Christ and compare that to the different styles of music. When Jesus Christ is the dominate figure of your church, consider that "the genre." How you worship Christ through your church is "the style." No matter the denomination, everyone puts their whole heart into that one purpose and that is Jesus Christ, but one may not agree to worship Christ a certain way that others do because it doesn't call to their hearts in that specific way. God designed us differently so we can get out in his world and accomplish all kinds of different tasks for him. If we all did it one way, then we as a religion would eventually die out. We would have civil issues and implode whether it was for the greater good of God or not. Everyone has the same direct purpose within the Church but the style of worship calls to their personality and where God wants to lead them. That's how I see the definition of division in the Church.

God Bless EVERYONE!
-Moose_Almighty-

 

[Elin]

the Osas the law music that is evil the rapture these are some of the main subjects that cause disunity and chaos in the church. I have benn pondering about this, frankly i hate the disunity i dont like how the church divides and goes against each other but i remember How
jesus said he did not come to unite but to bring a sword or at least i think thats what he said. but I also remember how he said a house divided against itself cannot stand. But
is this disunity necessary? is it to seperate the wheat from the chaff?
Or is it simply the enemies tactic to bring down the church?

Be at peace.

God gives teachers to the church and places his own in their paths so that the wheat may be fed and may grow.
In those who study their Bibles, the Holy Spirit enables the wheat to recognize truth from falsehood.

And Christ's invisible church will not be brought down by anything, for the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

The visible church, however, may not fair so well. . .thinkin' of great apostasy here.

 

[3Scoreand10]

Show me where?

The point I am making is that there are many religious oraganizations that claim to be churches that teach and practice things that are totally contrary to the word.
Just because someone gathers a bunch of people together and calls themself a church does not make it so.
We must teach and practice what Jesus taught if we are a true church.

 

[Blain]

okay lets talk a little, Why do you go to the bible discussion forum? its known by most as the most popular yet most dangerous forum in fact many ppl have left cc because of how they were treated here. there is a vast number of war threads and ppl tend to show what is in there hearts which is one of the great things about this particular forum, i have said it many times and I will say it again we are called to love. If a lot of us wrote that on our hearts and practiced it then the bible discussion forum wouldnt be a war zone.

But not all are lacking love which i praise god for but if ppl arent willing to listen and be love like we are called to be then the world is right to call us hypocrites and unkind and not practicing what we preach heck even satanists do exactly what they are believed to do.

 

[3Scoreand10]

my friend we are a church we are a very big one from all around the world and to me we are family

I understood you to ask if this forum constitutes a church.
My answer is , No this forum is not a church.
A church is a group of people who are bringing glory to God as they worship Him.
What I see on this forum, are a lot of good people expressing their opinion about different things.
I don't know that the Lord really receives much glory from some of us and our bickering.

 

[Moose_Almighty]

I don't know that the Lord really receives much glory from some of us and our bickering.

^Only to the word bickering

It may just be a pin prick, but just the fact we are here helping each other out under his holy name may just be an even greater glory to God. The way I see it, anyone can dawn a holy face and give God an hour of praise any Sunday. Will they put their whole hearts into it? Most do not... I mean no disrespect but this bickering you mentioned is more than just bickering, we are warriors in Christ figuring things out under his holy name to bring a better light to the world, Amen?

I can't speak for Jesus, but if I were him i'd be humbled with greater glory from this forum because whether the intentions are good or bad, we are all here as one openly seeking him for the answers. I'm sure he would be smiling and say "Please bicker away my children... Love you!"

God Bless EVERYONE!
-Moose_Almighty-

 

[dcontroversal]

You know...two cannot walk together unless they be agreed...the problem is the false doctrine that gets propagated by those who are blind to the simple truths of the word of God....there will always be division when you have those who will not submit to the truths of the bible while believing and pushing the heresies of men, tradition and religion.......!

 

[Word_Swordsman]

Mark 9:38-41 (KJV)
[SUP]38 [/SUP] And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.
[SUP]39 [/SUP] But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me.
[SUP]40 [/SUP] For he that is not against us is on our part.
[SUP]41 [/SUP] For whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink in my name, because ye belong to Christ, verily I say unto you, he shall not lose his reward.

 

[Jon4TheCross]

You know...two cannot walk together unless they be agreed...the problem is the false doctrine that gets propagated by those who are blind to the simple truths of the word of God....there will always be division when you have those who will not submit to the truths of the bible while believing and pushing the heresies of men, tradition and religion.......!

I agree from a certain perspective about two not being able to walk together unless they have an agreement... It is possible to agree to put those disagreements aside while working together. Probably shouldn't mention it...but in the game I posted, travelers get powers for agreements and disagreements both...cause to disagree about doctrine should not prevent us from at least an example of valuing the one needful thing.

Luke 10 King James Version (KJV)
38*Now it came to pass, as they went, that he entered into a certain village: and a certain woman named Martha received him into her house.

39*And she had a sister called Mary, which also sat at Jesus' feet, and heard his word.

40*But Martha was cumbered about much serving, and came to him, and said, Lord, dost thou not care that my sister hath left me to serve alone? bid her therefore that she help me.

41*And Jesus answered and said unto her, Martha, Martha, thou art careful and troubled about many things:

42*But one thing is needful: and Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her.

 

[JesusistheChrist]

I can really say that I'm not singling you out because God is no respecter of persons and/or an impartial Judge. As such, whatever truth there is applies to all of us. Anyhow, as I cited from Paul to the Corinthians, it was the behavior of those with whom he was dealing which influenced the manner of his approach. Again, I trust that he preferred "the spirit of meekness", but he often had to use the rod...WITH WEEPING. IOW, those who use the rod without genuinely having a heart towards others are not reflecting either the Spirit of Christ or Paul, but there is certainly a place for correction and a big place at that (as the Bible shows from cover to cover).

Now com on, look how you worded that first sentence... YOU arent singling me out because GOD is no respecter of persons? I had to take a double take on that LOL

There's nothing wrong with the way that I worded that first sentence. Christians are called to properly represent God/Christ to the world and seeing how God is no respecter of persons Christians ought not be respecters of persons either. If need be, then I'll be happy to cite you some verses along these lines, but I trust that you can recall some on your own. When I post, I post for EVERYBODY, myself included. I'm not only always aware of my natural audience (those participating in the thread and those who merely observe it without ever participating), but even more aware that I'll one day have to give an account to Jesus Christ for every word which I have posted. This is reality at my end...whether or not anybody else believes it to be so.

I am not against rebuke, or correction or the rod or whichever, there is just very little of the bowels of affections and brother love in preferring others above yourself, gentlessness, peace and joyfulness, that fervent unfeigned love or this deep bond that just seems to be missing.

I can't answer for anybody but myself, but I can tell you that just by finding/making/taking the time to post on this forum I am "preferring others above myself". IOW, I'm giving of my time and effort for the potential benefit of others...and often criticized for the same (not that I'm complaining...it comes with the territory). Furthermore, as I might have already shared with you in the past, many years ago, God totally rebuked me (on more than one occasion and in more ways than the one which I'm about to share) for my lack of "unfeigned love", BUT I suspect, based upon many of your comments over the years, that you don't view "unfeigned love" in the same manner in which God does. Back then, I was "Mr. Nice Guy" who never uttered a correction or a rebuke, but who instead was just "Mr. Sweetie Pie" towards everybody. Well, one day, as I was sitting in the congregation at Times Square Church in Manhattan, the pastor was preaching a sermon about David and near the end of his sermon he mentioned the words "unfeigned love". When he did, I had a vision, with my eyes open, and this is what I saw:

It was as if I was looking through a movie camera and getting a panoramic view of things from left to right. Everything that I saw pertained to an outdoor backyard scene. As the "camera" swept from left to right, I saw grass and flowers and butterflies and birds and then one of those wishing well type things that some people have in their backyards. When my focus got to the wishing well, the "camera" angle changed and I was now looking down directly into the well...AND IT WAS BONE DRY! God showed me right then, by His Spirit, that this well was indicative of my own heart AND THAT I WAS BONE DRY IN THE AREA OF "UNFEIGNED LOVE"!

This revelation literally caused a groan to come up within me and it took everything within my power to withhold from screaming out in agony (they would have thought that I was demonized or something and escorted me to the curb) right then and there as I truly was "undone" BEFORE THE LORD (Oh, men/women "loved me" and my FEIGNED LOVE)! I grabbed a hold of my friend's arm who was sitting next to me and told him that I needed to leave immediately. Of course, he had no idea, initially, as to why I said that, but I went home that day and literally laid on my floor and began to finally truly repent before God in this area. Like it or not, we are our brother's keeper (rebuking a brother is very much a part of "brotherly affection", btw) and if we really care about others, then we're going to speak up when we see them in any sort of peril or danger. Anyhow, like I said, that's but one example of how God dealt with me and I could easily back up God's definition of "unfeigned love" from scripture. It's not all (if any) "whispering sweet love nothings" in peoples' ears. No, God Himself is love and people really need to read their Bibles to see what that means. As I heard one preacher say once (and I totally agree with what he said), many people seem to think that the Bible says "Love is God", BUT IT DOESN'T. Rather, the Bible says that "God is love" and there's a world a difference between the two. In the first instance, those who believe that "Love is God" come on to forums such as this one with their own definition of what "love" is and then they seek to foist the same upon others as if their definition of "love" somehow defines "God". It doesn't. In the second instance, there are also those who have taken the time to find out Who "GOD IS" and then they define "love" by the same. This GOD WHO IS LOVE wiped out the whole world, except for 8 people, in the days of Noah. This GOD WHO IS LOVE wiped out 603,548 of the original 603,550 Israelite men who were 20 years old and upward who came out of Egypt. Shall I go on? How many people on this forum do you honestly believe serve this "GOD"? Personally, I'd say, based upon what I've read here thus far, that it's probably less than 50%. I'm not here to tickle anybody's ears even as I refuse to tickle my own. Eternity is a LONGGGGGGG TIME and most people here can't even endure a long post that is filled with scripture. Anyhow...

Its hard to over look this void, I also find this confusing too in the House of God, and Im always thinking, man, am I even in the right house? I mean words like, a cage full of hateful birds just seems so prohetically right on at times (where I might be hanging out) wherever that might be and I think man, I am so in trouble then because Im cut assunder with the same or something. Those things cross my mind you know, right or wrong, I mean that too might be partly the reason ones life and doctrine is important to they which hear you, they do examine even as Jesus tells us that they will be known by their fruits. People do make it that folks who rebuke dont have fruit, thats a lie, that would mean that Christ didnt, an open rebuke is better then hidden love and so I agree as He says, that those I love I rebuke. But you got to look for more then just that.

Regarding the "hateful birds", there are always going to be those who are interested in nothing but strife. I mean, let's be real...

If any of us truly possess any measure of truth and seek to share the same, then should we honestly and rationally expect that Satan is just going to sit idly by and let the same go unchallenged?

There are plenty of tares here amongst the wheat and there will also inevitably be heresies and divisions THAT THEY WHICH ARE APPROVED MAY BE MADE MANIFEST.

Quite frankly, I'm sick and tired of all of the crybabies who complain about "strife" as if we weren't all forewarned about the same by the Lord Himself. Jesus strove against sin to the point of being nailed to the cross...and crybabies here and elsewhere storm off if anybody but challenges what they say because it's "unloving". Just grow up, everybody.

Well, "Good morning", all...

 

[Eva1218]

Good topic. It is very sad regarding the divisions in the church. Way to many false religions and way to many denominations within the Christian Faith. It was because mankind has decided how they would serve GOD, when GOD has clearly stated in Ephesians 4:4-6 One body and one spirit-just as there is also one hope to the calling you received-One LORD, one Faith, one baptism, One GOD and FATHER of all, pervading all and in all.

The enemy satan comes to kill, steal and destroy. The question is what? Answer everything GOD wants us to have life, Salvation, unity with GOD and man, etc.. When a church has clicks, divisions and or disunity this stops the flow of GOD from moving freely and as the Bible tells us we are not to grieve the HOLY SPIRIT. Notice how when the people of GOD when they were in the upper room were on one accord the HOLY SPIRIT came, now compare how when satan gets involved like in the tower of babel again one accord but we must first agree with GOD and do as GOD says and know the difference.

Blessings!!!!!!!

 

[ISeeYou]

There's nothing wrong with the way that I worded that first sentence. Christians are called to properly represent God/Christ to the world and seeing how God is no respecter of persons Christians ought not be respecters of persons either. If need be, then I'll be happy to cite you some verses along these lines, but I trust that you can recall some on your own. When I post, I post for EVERYBODY, myself included. I'm not only always aware of my natural audience (those participating in the thread and those who merely observe it without ever participating), but even more aware that I'll one day have to give an account to Jesus Christ for every word which I have posted. This is reality at my end...whether or not anybody else believes it to be so.


I can't answer for anybody but myself, but I can tell you that just by finding/making/taking the time to post on this forum I am "preferring others above myself". IOW, I'm giving of my time and effort for the potential benefit of others...and often criticized for the same (not that I'm complaining...it comes with the territory). Furthermore, as I might have already shared with you in the past, many years ago, God totally rebuked me (on more than one occasion and in more ways than the one which I'm about to share) for my lack of "unfeigned love", BUT I suspect, based upon many of your comments over the years, that you don't view "unfeigned love" in the same manner in which God does. Back then, I was "Mr. Nice Guy" who never uttered a correction or a rebuke, but who instead was just "Mr. Sweetie Pie" towards everybody. Well, one day, as I was sitting in the congregation at Times Square Church in Manhattan, the pastor was preaching a sermon about David and near the end of his sermon he mentioned the words "unfeigned love". When he did, I had a vision, with my eyes open, and this is what I saw:

It was as if I was looking through a movie camera and getting a panoramic view of things from left to right. Everything that I saw pertained to an outdoor backyard scene. As the "camera" swept from left to right, I saw grass and flowers and butterflies and birds and then one of those wishing well type things that some people have in their backyards. When my focus got to the wishing well, the "camera" angle changed and I was now looking down directly into the well...AND IT WAS BONE DRY! God showed me right then, by His Spirit, that this well was indicative of my own heart AND THAT I WAS BONE DRY IN THE AREA OF "UNFEIGNED LOVE"!

This revelation literally caused a groan to come up within me and it took everything within my power to withhold from screaming out in agony (they would have thought that I was demonized or something and escorted me to the curb) right then and there as I truly was "undone" BEFORE THE LORD (Oh, men/women "loved me" and my FEIGNED LOVE)! I grabbed a hold of my friend's arm who was sitting next to me and told him that I needed to leave immediately. Of course, he had no idea, initially, as to why I said that, but I went home that day and literally laid on my floor and began to finally truly repent before God in this area. Like it or not, we are our brother's keeper (rebuking a brother is very much a part of "brotherly affection", btw) and if we really care about others, then we're going to speak up when we see them in any sort of peril or danger. Anyhow, like I said, that's but one example of how God dealt with me and I could easily back up God's definition of "unfeigned love" from scripture. It's not all (if any) "whispering sweet love nothings" in peoples' ears. No, God Himself is love and people really need to read their Bibles to see what that means. As I heard one preacher say once (and I totally agree with what he said), many people seem to think that the Bible says "Love is God", BUT IT DOESN'T. Rather, the Bible says that "God is love" and there's a world a difference between the two. In the first instance, those who believe that "Love is God" come on to forums such as this one with their own definition of what "love" is and then they seek to foist the same upon others as if their definition of "love" somehow defines "God". It doesn't. In the second instance, there are also those who have taken the time to find out Who "GOD IS" and then they define "love" by the same. This GOD WHO IS LOVE wiped out the whole world, except for 8 people, in the days of Noah. This GOD WHO IS LOVE wiped out 603,548 of the original 603,550 Israelite men who were 20 years old and upward who came out of Egypt. Shall I go on? How many people on this forum do you honestly believe serve this "GOD"? Personally, I'd say, based upon what I've read here thus far, that it's probably less than 50%. I'm not here to tickle anybody's ears even as I refuse to tickle my own. Eternity is a LONGGGGGGG TIME and most people here can't even endure a long post that is filled with scripture. Anyhow...


Regarding the "hateful birds", there are always going to be those who are interested in nothing but strife. I mean, let's be real...

If any of us truly possess any measure of truth and seek to share the same, then should we honestly and rationally expect that Satan is just going to sit idly by and let the same go unchallenged?

There are plenty of tares here amongst the wheat and there will also inevitably be heresies and divisions THAT THEY WHICH ARE APPROVED MAY BE MADE MANIFEST.

Quite frankly, I'm sick and tired of all of the crybabies who complain about "strife" as if we weren't all forewarned about the same by the Lord Himself. Jesus strove against sin to the point of being nailed to the cross...and crybabies here and elsewhere storm off if anybody but challenges what they say because it's "unloving". Just grow up, everybody.

Well, "Good morning", all...

And good morning to you.

There are people I have disagreed with on the forums who can disgaree cordially and not go into strife. Although I dont understand why you allow yourself to make a cry over things (which you might deem to be heresy or sin) but if others who might complain about strife do so thats being a crybaby. Doesnt it say, he that loveth strife loveth transgression? Then why would any complaints against that (verses what you take up) cry-baby-ism?

Just because you might have misunderstood unfeigned love to be about the sweet nothings you took up but had to repent of it doesnt make it (to all others) the same thing you had actually mistaken it for, that is really a strawman.

And just as love is inclusive of rebuking, so likewise is the law of kindness upon the tongue and speaking the truth in love part of unfeigned love.

There is certainly nothing wrong with saying "Peace be upon this house", and letting your peace come upon it (if you even have peace to come upon it). Or maybe "our God and Father richly bless you in the Lord Jesus Christ".

Which would just be a couple of things one could say (in word) which I wouldnt toss into the sweet nothings category.

Now, I have changed my mind on using any affectionate terms such as brother and sister though, names should be just fine, who am I? You cant force someones affections towards you (by the mere use of words) when they just arent there. And so what you will likely end up doing is actually make it feigned when it is not at all so between persons, and who wants that? Certainly not me.

Please dont take my own adressing the lack of unfeigned love in the churches on this particular topic so personally as somehow being against the important role of "rebuking" others which takes up alot of your time. I have both agreed in the past and even now that rebuking is quite necessary as we are instructed to do the same just as we are also to speak the truth in love. And I dont always do that when I am ticked off.

Its not rebuking which is the problem its being this "walking rebuke" (as I call it) that is, and it is oftentimes unecesaary and even if one felt it was its often the added words that accompany the scripture which should be used for correction that come off so hateful in some sometimes. Even if its understandable things get heated, and in our anger say more then we should and we can show grace (I thinks thats great) Its just the constantly of it.

If someone rebuked 50% of the day but could show an ounce of joy, peace, gentleness or affection in other areas of their goings on it wouldnt even cross my mind to question it, or be confused at it because it would be far more balanced in the fruits of the Spirit. Who would fault a very necessary rebuke coming from a son of peace full of the fruits of the Spirit? If those are evident why would any resent such?

Surely being out of balance is spoken of in the scriptures, one can have all faith, all knowledge etc and have not charity and just sound like a bull in a china shop everytime they go through a room.

And just so you know, on more of a personal note even though sometimes I might feel you are over the top there are times I actually wished you were nearby, to jump onto a thread to take a handle of something, and because I know you could do it and do it well, but where you could get it cleaned up so the rest of those on the thread (with the trouble maker) could return to something far more fruitful. That is when you come in really handy (I will admit that).

I had a passing thought, that if you ever retire, you should be a moderator so to cut the crap, but then again, I cant really say if I really feel you might actually just empty the house instead. LOL I couldnt resist.

So I do believe rebuking others is necessary, and there are times you do that very well, so please dont think I believe you to be a complete jerk or anything. You might come off more as overapplying yourself to that particular area of doing things.

It is a good this verse has come to your attention lately seeing you have brought this one forward as of late, I agree the Lord will make manifest those who are approved

Likewise here is another verse about being approved

2 Cr 10:18 For NOT HE that COMMENDETH HIMSELF IS APPROVED, but whom THE LORD COMMENDETH.

Which I believe an example of can be found here

Acts 16:14 And a certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple, of the city of Thyatira, which worshipped God, HEARD US: WHOSE HEART THE LORD OPENED, that she attended unto the things which were spoken of Paul.

Which always reminded me of Isaiah 30:20-21

Isaiah 30:20 And though the Lord give you the bread of adversity, and the water of affliction, yet shall not thy teachers be removed into a corner: any more, but thine eyes shall see thy teachers

1Thes 1:6 And ye became followers of us, and of the Lord, having received the word in much affliction, with joy of the Holy Ghost:

Isaiah 30:21 And thine ears shall hear a word behind thee, saying, This is the way, walk ye in it, when ye turn to the right hand, and when ye turn to the left.

On another note, there are plenty of people that come onto these forums that do it for themselves so none of us can really say just because we are here, that its in the spirit of preferring others above yourself.

Well, I mean, sure you could say you are, but that doesnt make it so. Because that would make everyone here (by default) as those who prefer others above themselves. And I think we know that is not the case.

All I am saying, is not everyone with a kind disposition is in sweet nothing land, and not every one with a hammer pounding away at you daily loves unfeignedly. I dont think we should throw one under the bus for the other. Would be nice for a combination of the two.

But I think this conversation will become more about defending rebuking as if I would be against rebuking (when I am not) or become more about unfeigned love being equated with the whole sweet nothings strawman when I dont believe that equates at all.

Well, Im typing standing and my feet are killing me, I need to relocate myself here

But Im not going to debate a strawman, rebuke is necessary, and we dont want to come to the place where we cant be.

God bless

 

[JesusistheChrist]

There are people I have disagreed with on the forums who can disgaree cordially and not go into strife. Although I dont understand why you allow yourself to make a cry over things (which you might deem to be heresy or sin) but if others who might complain about strife do so thats being a crybaby. Doesnt it say, he that loveth strife loveth transgression? Then why would any complaints against that (verses what you take up) cry-baby-ism?

You honestly don't see the difference between the two "cries" that you just described? God calls us to address heresy, but He doesn't call us to get all upset when strife arises. I don't know that I can make it any simpler than that.

Just because you might have misunderstood unfeigned love to be about the sweet nothings you took up but had to repent of it doesnt make it (to all others) the same thing you had actually mistaken it for, that is really a strawman.

How is it a straw man? God genuinely dealt with me in regard to "unfeigned love", so it's not a straw man at all. My intended point was that "love" isn't just all gooey and ooey and some people around here seem to believe that it is. Again, the God Who is love wiped out almost the entire earth's population in the days of Noah, wiped out almost the entire first generation of Israelites who came out of Egypt, thought to wipe out the entire second generation of Israelites but didn't solely for His Own Name's sake, regularly sent invading armies, pestilences, famines, etc., etc. against different nations and will ultimately cast the majority of people into the lake of fire. Does that sound "loving" to you? It is...because God is a Righteous Judge and He regularly WARNS and REBUKES people in an attempt to get them to REPENT that they might be saved. Well, do you think that God might ever employ the use of people in doing the same? When He does, how do you suppose that they are seen? As being "loving" or as being "self righteous, mean spirited, judgmental, legalistic Pharisees, etc., etc., etc."? Again, my point is that some people don't even understand what "love" is BECAUSE THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHO GOD IS AND GOD IS LOVE. When God sees all of the division and strife here for example, how do you suppose He views it? Is He just sitting there in heaven, looking down upon the same and saying, "Oh, well...boys will be boys!" or something like that or is He looking for somebody to step up and warn the people? I'm not suggesting that "I" am "THAT SOMEBODY", but I'm just trying to make an overall point. Many people here and elsewhere regularly shoot off their mouths "in God's Name" when they don't even know what they're talking about. That's the environment...and it lends itself to a constant need for reproof/correction/rebuke. IOW, outside of said environment, it doesn't mean that those who regularly rebuke here are "walking rebukes" ELSEWHERE or that they "love strife". Personally, I love harmony...but I'm not about to be "unequally yoked" with anybody.

Anyhow, I know that you dislike "line by line" responses, so I'll say no more.

 

[ISeeYou]

You honestly don't see the difference between the two "cries" that you just described? God calls us to address heresy, but He doesn't call us to get all upset when strife arises. I don't know that I can make it any simpler than that.

Ofcourse the cries are different, one would be against a against a teaching and the other against what we should not be partaking in. Take heed to thyself and thy doctrine would be twofold when it come to word and in deed.

I dont see people saying something about strife as getting all upset about it, and your saying something about heresy as not. Something can be different and still adressed.

Just a couple of things

How is it a straw man? God genuinely dealt with me in regard to "unfeigned love", so it's not a straw man at all.

I was simply pointing out that what might have been true in your case (of equating unfeigned love to what you might call the sweet nothings ideal you had) wouldnt indicate by that that the same would be true in everyones cases. In otherwords, in their own making the same mistake that is. There are some who dont equate the two (as they shouldnt) and then there are others who mistake the two (as they too shouldnt).

My intended point was that "love" isn't just all gooey and ooey and some people around here seem to believe that it is.

I agree with you, I wouldnt think this gooey ooey stuff as you call can be equated with unfeigned love. Others might be making that mistake of believing it is as you might have made that same mistake.

So love can be shown in a rebuke (not a sweet nothing) in being your brothers keeper so its not about ooey gooey stuff. We have part of what it can be (or includes) and what it isnt. Its more then rebukes, I mean I am sure you being a dad and all show your love to your love to your family in others ways then just non stop rebukes towards them.

Again, the God Who is love wiped out almost the entire earth's population in the days of Noah, wiped out almost the entire first generation of Israelites who came out of Egypt, thought to wipe out the entire second generation of Israelites but didn't solely for His Own Name's sake, regularly sent invading armies, pestilences, famines, etc., etc. against different nations and will ultimately cast the majority of people into the lake of fire. Does that sound "loving" to you? It is...because God is a Righteous Judge and He regularly WARNS and REBUKES people in an attempt to get them to REPENT that they might be saved. Well, do you think that God might ever employ the use of people in doing the same? When He does, how do you suppose that they are seen? As being "loving" or as being "self righteous, mean spirited, judgmental, legalistic Pharisees, etc., etc., etc."? Again, my point is that some people don't even understand what "love" is BECAUSE THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHO GOD IS AND GOD IS LOVE. When God sees all of the division and strife here for example, how do you suppose He views it? Is He just sitting there in heaven, looking down upon the same and saying, "Oh, well...boys will be boys!" or something like that or is He looking for somebody to step up and warn the people? I'm not suggesting that "I" am "THAT SOMEBODY", but I'm just trying to make an overall point. Many people here and elsewhere regularly shoot off their mouths "in God's Name" when they don't even know what they're talking about. That's the environment...and it lends itself to a constant need for reproof/correction/rebuke. IOW, outside of said environment, it doesn't mean that those who regularly rebuke here are "walking rebukes" ELSEWHERE or that they "love strife". Personally, I love harmony...but I'm not about to be "unequally yoked" with anybody.

Anyhow, I know that you dislike "line by line" responses, so I'll say no more.

Your right I hate line by lines. I agree, God is love and he is willing to show his wrath, there is both the goodness and severity of God, no doubt. I'm not sure how that plays into loving one another sincerely, and fervently, being pitiful and kind, preferring one another above the other, seek peace and pursue it, being tenderhearted, merciful, patient longsuffering, and all the other stuff outside of rebuking one another all the time.

Is that all there is to this unfeigned love stuff?

Just search for places to smack one another atop the head with the lovely under tone of "You idiot"! LOL

But thanks for not torturing me with line by lines since we both make long posts because that can be hell, and I would have likely not responded (but would have said, You win!) LOL

 

[JesusistheChrist]

No, that's not all that there is, but, again, I think that you're overlooking the overall environment here. IOW, people regulary post error, so that creates the need for constant reproof. You should know me better by now than to even consider that I somehow "love strife". I hate it, but I'm not the least bit surprised by it. If I had my druthers, then we'd all be talking about things which lend themselves to helping us all to come to full maturity in Christ. Again, the environment here doesn't normally lend itself to the same.

Just look at the "Babylon the Great" thread. There are so many contradictory heresies being posted there that God's probably "dialing up" another flood as I type. Of course, there won't be another flood, but I'm just trying to make a point. Again, God's not just sitting there and saying, "Ah, no big deal...". The things being discussed in that thread could literally affect the lives of thousands upon thousands of people...and I'm not about to put a piece of tape over my mouth and let the heretics run free.

Well, time for lunch...

 

[ISeeYou]

No, that's not all that there is, but, again, I think that you're overlooking the overall environment here. IOW, people regulary post error, so that creates the need for constant reproof. You should know me better by now than to even consider that I somehow "love strife". I hate it, but I'm not the least bit surprised by it. If I had my druthers, then we'd all be talking about things which lend themselves to helping us all to come to full maturity in Christ. Again, the environment here doesn't normally lend itself to the same.

Just look at the "Babylon the Great" thread. There are so many contradictory heresies being posted there that God's probably "dialing up" another flood as I type. Of course, there won't be another flood, but I'm just trying to make a point. Again, God's not just sitting there and saying, "Ah, no big deal...". The things being discussed in that thread could literally affect the lives of thousands upon thousands of people...and I'm not about to put a piece of tape over my mouth and let the heretics run free.

Well, time for lunch...

You so know I am not talking about just here, dont you?

And no, I dont think you love strife because that would mean you love sin and I dont think you love sin at all.

Thats not really you to enter strifes, strife is not rebuke, strifes come of envy are usually accompanied by insults, reviling, or railings when it continues.

Thats not the same as rebuke. A strife can come of a rebuke where pride is and can enter into a strife.

I am not equating rebuking a heretic with strife. Thats probably why a once/ twice thing is issued, and so I'm thinking you better hit em' hard within the first two rounds if a person is one, and get it right LOL

But no, you usually belt someone really hard a few times and leave off, its just my opinion you dont need to come down so hard all the time as you do, but that has always been our contention on this very thing. I have never changed my mind on that, but I dont expect to change your mind on it either, I just cringe when you do that when I feel you could break more bones with a far gentler answer which could get someone to open their ears to what you have to share. Im not saying that what I perceive to be a more sharper rebuke for things is not necessary (not at all) Im just saying I bet it doesnt always have to be done that way. And you know I am not the only one picking that up (as you have been made aware of). And thats not necessarily an indicator in itself that you are incorrect either, but sometimes the rebuker needs to here a rebuke too. But Im certainly not going to gang up on you over it, because I am not head over you. I am just saying, how many times have we sat between us and your patience convinced me, but if you freaked out on me I so would close my ears to you.

You used to freak me out when you did that LOL

I rewrite your posts when I get bored know that?

Like I take a post (most would think was filled with rebukes) and over the top tickedoff and I would erase those parts and rewrite them

I know I am weird, but I find it challenging LOL