Divorce and Remarriage

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WomanLovesTX

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Deuteronomy 24:1 When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house.

2 And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man's wife.

3 And if the latter husband hate her, and write her a bill of divorcement, and giveth it in her hand, and sendeth her out of his house; or if the latter husband die, which took her to be his wife;

4 Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after that she is defiled; for that is abomination before the Lord: and thou shalt not cause the land to sin, which the Lord thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.

Jeremiah 3:8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.

Question - Can God remarry the House of Israel based on His own law?

Answer - only death of the former husband frees the woman to remarry.

Question - Is Jesus "God with us"?

Answer - Yes and H e died willingly and resurrected so that He could remarry that woman.

And that woman must also die to her old nature and live wholeheartedly for her husband (betrothed to marry....ie. bride of Christ).
 
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Kaycie

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You stole a TV and repent is the TV now yours?
You stop stealing then you are no longer a thief, stop lying and you are no longer a lier and so on.
If I had a child out of wedlock and repent is it still my child? Yes!
 
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Kaycie

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You stole a TV and repent is the TV now yours?
You stop stealing then you are no longer a thief, stop lying and you are no longer a lier and so on.

If I had a child out of wedlock and repent is it still my child? Yes!

If you remarry God does not want you to divorce- He hates divorce- because in order for a divorce to happen at least one of the people involved have to sin.

"They are new every morning. Great is Thy faithfulness." He is faithful and just to forgive us.
 
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Thanks for the touchy hair raising topic iwan2serve. i won't add to or take from the Word, if the Word say's it is so, then to me it is. The Word gives us doe's and dont's, for a reason( God know's best)and the Word won't lead us in the wrong direction. The answer is in the Word, and it looks like you see it.
 

EmethAlethia

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First off,

One of the big issues is our modern definition of words and terms. For example, if I were to take another wife, and have kids with her, have I committed adultery according to our modern definition of the word? Of course, right? The problem with our modern definition is that the modern "Non-scriptural" definitions:

1.) Make Godly people ungodly ... when they aren't
2.) Make God inconsistent ... when He isn't
3.) Create commands that God says nothing at all about
4.) Alter commands that God gave, nullifying their meaning to make them fit our new, modern beliefs.

According to "our" modern definition, since David had 6 wives, and kids with 5 BEFORE he ever committed adultery, David committed adultery 5-6 times before God ever called him on it, and then didn't address his first 6 offences.

According to our modern definition, Solomon committed adultery about a thousand times, and yet, the scriptures are silent about it. You would think that Solomon would be the poster child for ungodly lust. Yet, God, and godly men and women, including Christ and the N.T. writers of scripture completely leave him out of all discussions of ungodly lust.

It gets even more interesting when we examine God's command about what to do when you take an additional wife, or the God's reproof of David for committing adultery with Bathsheba. It seems God even gave David the wives of his enemies, and would have been willing to give him even more if he would have avoided sinning.


It seems that most of us have a difference of opinion between the O.T. God's definition of a family, and our modern opinion. In the O.T. it was a man, all of his wives, and his kids with all of his wives. Adultery was only when an existing marriage relationship was broken to form another marriage relationship. Even in the N.T. this definition is consistent. The destruction of an existing marriage relationship to form another is considered adultery.


If we look at the passage about "adultery" in the heart, first thing we notice is that it is the word adultery, not the word fornication. Since Jesus was a Jew, and since His audience was all Jews at that time, we need to go with the definition for the word used: "Adultery", and not change it to the word "Fornication" because we wish to alter what was said and meant. Also, interestingly, the ONLY WORD AVAILABLE for married woman was used in this passage as well. From the context, we have the meaning, "If any man is in the presence of a woman married to another man, and dwells on her for the purpose of inflaming his lusts towards her, he has committed adultery with her in his heart." In order for this to occur, you couldn't draw a painting of her naked and be in the situation above. It requires the person to be in her presence. Also, it does not include those that are available to be married as they are not married yet.

That 1 Cor. 7 passage is an interesting one. Assuming that the people involved are both true Christians, if they are inflaming each others lusts, and the touching that is mentioned in 7:1 is occurring, and they are at risk of committing the fornication discussed in verse 2, and thus they are not able to control themselves, then, and only then, is it better to be married than single. Multiple times it states that if you can control your lusts, it is better not to get married. Yet, even if you are in this position, to avoid committing fornication (Illicit sexual intercourse) let them marry. The kicker ... even though things are getting out of hand ... or rather "into hand", if a pair of Christians gets married for this reason, and because they are at this point, the scriptures say that they have not sinned.


Remember David, and when He sinned. God calls EXACTLY what He says and means sin. Remember Solomon, and when God said he sinned. Again, God calls EXACTLY what is sin, sin. (The taking of foreign wives, or for us, marrying a non-Christian).


Lets assume that a Christian believes their spouse is a Christian, and yet their spouse departs from the faith they once professed. "They went out from us for they were never of us." or, if you prefer for those that refuse to listen to God and do not see His reproof, "Depart from Me ye who work iniquity for I NEVER knew you.". Is the Christian under slavery? Are they REQUIRED BY GOD to keep themselves bound to those who are non-Christians? Not according to scripture. They are free and not under bondage.

In the O.T. by the way, if you committed fornication by having sex with a woman (Not currently married to another man) you gained another wife, and did not have the ability to divorce her for the rest of your lives. God guards the sanctity of His definition of a family. Becoming one flesh completed that bond.

While we may seek to ignore a lot of the passages that pertain because we cannot "use" them to prove our beliefs true, or "use" them to prove all opposing beliefs false, and while we may seek to interpret all of our "selected" passages and facts in accordance with our beliefs, thus making God, and those He says are godly inconsistent, and even sinners though God says nothing, those that love truth do not do so. They interpret everything that is said, not said, done, and not done, in such a way that EVERYTHING fits perfectly with EVERYTHING else. To think that Solomon's sexual indulgence with a thousand women, not just looking at them naked, but actually having sex with them, is not an example of ungodly lust is a bit hard for many to believe. God's coming to him in a dream, and telling Solomon what HE was going to add to him for only wanting wisdom, clarifies where he got the heaps of horses (Largest stable complexes ever made by men), his heaps upon heaps of gold (Richest man that ever lived), and ... other things. If God does the heaping (Except for the foreign wives God did reprove him for) then did Solomon sin? No, right? Thus God is consistent... even when we do not like the conclusions we must make to see Him as such.

The question is, do we draw the lines, and the definitions, exactly where God draws them, or do we alter the meaning of words, terms, passages, what God and godly men and women say and do, and don't say and don't do to force everything to align with our beliefs? That which we love least will be forced to conform to that which we love most. Everyone either loves their beliefs more, or the truth of ALL that the word of God says and means more. That which we habitually do with the word of God proves which it is that we really love.
 

iwant2serve

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First off,

One of the big issues is our modern definition of words and terms. For example, if I were to take another wife, and have kids with her, have I committed adultery according to our modern definition of the word? Of course, right? The problem with our modern definition is that the modern "Non-scriptural" definitions:

1.) Make Godly people ungodly ... when they aren't
2.) Make God inconsistent ... when He isn't
3.) Create commands that God says nothing at all about
4.) Alter commands that God gave, nullifying their meaning to make them fit our new, modern beliefs.

With all that is said the bible is still clear that a man is to hav one wife as it states in the beganing. For this reason a man (singular) shall leave his Mother and Father and find a wife (singular) and the two of then shall become one. Enough said.
 

EmethAlethia

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First off,

With all that is said the bible is still clear that a man is to hav one wife as it states in the beganing. For this reason a man (singular) shall leave his Mother and Father and find a wife (singular) and the two of then shall become one. Enough said.
The problem with this is:

1.) It is not a command, it is a statement that from this moment forth a man will have the tendency to leave his parents to have sex. If it were a command it would have been stated as a command. "Thou shalt not eat of the tree", for example. Thou shalt not commit adultery. Thou shalt not commit adultery. There is no one who understands the ancient languages who can state that it was a command. Wrong grammar for it. From this point on men shall labor by the sweat of their brow, for example, or women shall have pain in childbirth, ... are not commands either. Same format.

2.) The godly men and women of scripture did not see this as a command of God.

3.) God did not see this as a command of God. He never reproves anyone for the number of wives in ALL of scripture. He provided a commandment not to lessen the support or marital rights of your first wife when you take another (Note: God never offers people commands as to how to commit godly murder, godly adultery, ...

4.) God said that He even gave David the wives of His enemies. If it was a command, then God participates in sinful behavior, and missed His own command.

5.) Do to the lack of equipment, the best a man can do is become one flesh with one woman at a time. Again though, not a command, but a statement of the natural tendency for the way things will go. There is no COMMAND not to do this anywhere, and "creating one" makes God a sinner.

The best you can say is that, according to 1st Corinthians it is best to be as unencumbered as you can to serve God. Singleness is best, married, no kids is next best, married few kids, married lots of kids, then possibly multiple wives, then multiple wives few kids, ... keep in mind that once you take another wife, until you are back down to one again, you are unable to serve as an elder or a deacon. Your hands are full already.

We need to be careful about creating commands to fit our beliefs that are contrary to what God, and His people have believed, said, done ... until modern times. And making God a sinner by creating commands of God out of whole cloth teaching as doctrines the precepts of men, is frowned upon. Nullifying God's command with regards to what you should do should you want to take another wife, is probably something we should avoid as well.


I do understand the desire to "make" the scriptures support our beliefs, and to gather scriptures to prove our beliefs to be true, and to prove all opposing beliefs false. The problem is that you need to make God, and those He says are Godly, un-godly to hold to the beliefs. God says David did not sin, or commit adultery until after he had 6 wives and kids with 5. Is God wrong? Did God not notice the other "sins". With Solomon, did God not notice that he took multiple wives, and only noticed the foreign ones? Your God is blind. Did your God forget HIs own command to only have one wife and provide David with his first wives, and then state that He would have gladly given him more if only he would not have committed adultery?


Your God has severe problems my friend, and being a sinner himself, and creating stumbling blocks by giving them extra wives is just the tip of the iceberg. Blasphemy is attributing to God something that is not true. Be careful of the doctrines of men.
 
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How about saving the Polygamy discussion for another topic?
 

OnThisRock

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It's always been about a personal relationship with the Lord. If He brings the marriage together, in the Spirit, good. If He doesn't it's likely to break apart. But people make mistakes based on where they are in the Lord, and so we cannot judge that individual relationship. Marriages should be aligned to the SPIRIT of the LORD and following the Lord, not suddenly based on the letter of the law and scripture when you see that the Lord is letting it fall apart. People who preach straight from the scripture without following the Spirit, are still living in the law or applying their own personal experience to others. I see many Texans are still on the milk of the word, preaching the milk cause they are still babes themselves. Don't preach if you aren't willing to grow into the MEAT of the word and truly follow the SPIRT. Oh yeah, and if you are sitting in a single race church loving just your culture and not moving around, you are probably just lukewarm yourself. Try going to another country and see how narrow you have become. Don't preach to people on the meat if you are only on the milk and letter of the law yourself.
 
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How about saving the Polygamy discussion for another topic?
It appears to be quite relevant to me.

It appears to me that the individual taking the discussion in that direction was attempting to define, according to Scripture, the word "adultery" that was being tossed about.
 
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I see many Texans are still on the milk of the word, preaching the milk cause they are still babes themselves. Don't preach if you aren't willing to grow into the MEAT of the word and truly follow the SPIRT.
I guess I better take off my "Hook 'em Horns" hat.

Although I'm in PA not TX at the moment, I'll be in Austin soon.

I can not comprehend most of your post.

You are saying one should follow the Spirit of the Lord as opposed to Scripture?

Is that what you are saying?
 

iwant2serve

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So Jesus words and not commandments? In Matthew 19 the Pharisees were trying to trap him and he went back to the beginning where it was said that the two shall become one flesh as God intended it to be. Yes God hates divorce that is why Jesus stated that remarrying for any other cause is adultery. In 1cor 7 Paul says if you leave to say single unless the two of you reconcile. This is not the letter of the law. Either we follow the Bible or we make our own commandments like the Pharisees did. Just so it is known I am not on milk trying to teach people on meat either. I am a called and ordained Minister of the Gospel and everything I have said in the post is total scripture but not popular with many.
 

OnThisRock

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Milk. Milk. Milk. Herbs Herbs Herbs. One day you may understand. Or Not.
 

OnThisRock

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It's time to grow up A.J. I'm also called and chosen by God. When you stay in culture Christianity your perspective is limited. This is where you are standing. I am stating that you should not condemn those who God has revealed scripture in a deeper way.
 
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What some of you aren't understanding, is different people, have different walks, You don't know where in your life God will call you, but when He does, you must drop everything you think as right and obey Him. I know I should be married because it will please God and thankfully I don't have what King David had with the power, to do and have whatever he wanted. His heart was pure though, David would've died that day giving himself before God to slay a giant. You can't tell me David didn't have a good heart, his actions spoke for that, when he laid his life before the world to slay a giant. Just be thankful for a good heart and striving for your Fathers perfection. He's watching you, He knows your heart. Individually..as well as whole
 

iwant2serve

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From Strongs Concordance online.
Fornication from Matt 19:9


  1. llicit sexual intercourse
  2. adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, intercourse with animals etc.
  3. sexual intercourse with close relatives; Lev. 18
  4. sexual intercourse with a divorced man or woman; Mk. 10:11,
  5. metaph. the worship of idols
    1. of the defilement of idolatry, as incurred by eating the sacrifices offered to idols
Adultry from Matt 19:9
to have unlawful intercourse with another's wife, to commit adultery with
 

CS1

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Deuteronomy 24:1 When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house.

2 And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man's wife.

3 And if the latter husband hate her, and write her a bill of divorcement, and giveth it in her hand, and sendeth her out of his house; or if the latter husband die, which took her to be his wife;

4 Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after that she is defiled; for that is abomination before the Lord: and thou shalt not cause the land to sin, which the Lord thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.

Jeremiah 3:8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.

Question - Can God remarry the House of Israel based on His own law?

Answer - only death of the former husband frees the woman to remarry.

Question - Is Jesus "God with us"?

Answer - Yes and H e died willingly and resurrected so that He could remarry that woman.

And that woman must also die to her old nature and live wholeheartedly for her husband (betrothed to marry....ie. bride of Christ).
I think this is the best explanation I have seen or read in a long time womenLovesTX. We can not make concession where the word of God is clear on Divorcé. Matthews 5:28-32 the Word of Jesus are always authoritative and Jesus did not take away to the law of Adultery he spoke to the main issue of divorce UNFORGIVNESS. God has not left His people did He not also tell the Prophet of God to marry a women of whoredom as symbolic of what His people have done with loving other gods? Why would Jesus say this? why would He provide the Parable of the 10 virgins? I believe it is because we are to take the marriage seriously as we are to take our walk with the Lord. If Jesus doesn't divorcé you when you have married Him as it was said by one here " I am chosen" oh we are chosen by God so we can do what God Himself would not do to you?

Marriage is to be serious and we really need to know what the bible says about it. YES it is a hard thing but the Bible says it none the less. Matt 24:37-39 says the last days they will be eating and drinking marrying and giving in marriage. This means they will perform the act of marriage without any respect or commitment or significance.

my parents were divorced my sister and I suffered because it was what they wanted not us, they could not forgive and it is a hard thing but the Bible tells us what happens when we do not forgive.

Now if you have divorced and cannot reconcile and remarried I cannot change what the bible says about His Standard however, I would and do everything I can to teach young people about the importance of marriage to God. when we make concession we end up with alternative marriages because anything goes. Even the church is comprising because of their own failed marriages. those who divorced and remarried it is my prayer that God would provide grace and reconciliation.

I know all the stories he beat me , and even more graphic than that. Separation is biblical but we do not want to stay alone because we get lonely.... it's about what we want to do over our children, and our God.
 
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Matt1626

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The bible is very very very clear!!

Remarriage is never permitted if anyone needs a cheer leader to tell them lies it isn't me.

the only thing that saved my marriage was telling my wife I would never get remarried if she left