Do Bible Numbers Have Meaning or Is It Just Useless Filler Info within the Bible?
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No doubt about the number 40. It is associated with trial and judgment, certified by the Flood rains lasting 40 days and 40 nights. Why 40? Why not 35 or 64?
Israel ate manna 40 years i nthe wilderness until arriving at the edge of Canaan. They wandered due to the judgments of God for their rebellion. So by now I am tempted to predict "40" has to do with judgment. Huh.
After His baptism Jesus was in the wilderness 40 days fasting. He went through trials there. It was not a vacation.
Moses was on Mt Sinai 40 days receiving the Law of sin and death, fasting all that time.
There were 40 silver sockets holding the Tabernacle to the earth.
Around the tabernacle:
Numbers 1:21 (KJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] Those that were numbered of them, even of the tribe of Reuben, were forty and six thousand and five hundred. (46,500)
[HR][/HR] Numbers 1:25 (KJV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP] Those that were numbered of them, even of the tribe of Gad, were forty and five thousand six hundred and fifty. (45,650)
[HR][/HR] Numbers 1:33 (KJV)
[SUP]33 [/SUP] Those that were numbered of them, even of the tribe of Ephraim, were forty thousand and five hundred. (40,500)
[HR][/HR] Numbers 1:41 (KJV)
[SUP]41 [/SUP] Those that were numbered of them, even of the tribe of Asher, were forty and one thousand and five hundred. (41,500)
[HR][/HR]Etc, etc. 40 times x-thousands, adding hundreds and tens. Interesting to say the least.
Israel's 10 spies returned with their report 40 days after sent out to evaluate the promised land. Rejecting their encouragement, Israel wandered those 40 years.
I could go on and on with the emphasis by God on that one number. We could make a huge study over that number, and find much wisdom in it.
Then there's 153, the number of fish caught in Peter's net. Fascinating study there!
All such things have driven many into very deep study of the scriptures all their lives. I find that nothing less than a good thing, causing people to learn far more of the Word than by casual reading. Keep in mind how few admit to reading it at all, much less studying the scriptures by any incentive. Many folks only study it a while to try finding comfort in a crisis. When the crisis is over, the Bible only gets dusted off. Many do take it to church, but many don't actually open it. That's like wearing a badge or political campaign patch. Is that a better way?
I say whatever gets people to studying the Bible regularly s a good reason. The longer lots of folks stay involved at CC here, the more likely they too will realize they are studying it more than ever before. Sure, it would be better to study because Paul said to, because we love Jesus, but the polls all agree a tiny percentage of Christians do that at all.
Israel ate manna 40 years i nthe wilderness until arriving at the edge of Canaan. They wandered due to the judgments of God for their rebellion. So by now I am tempted to predict "40" has to do with judgment. Huh.
After His baptism Jesus was in the wilderness 40 days fasting. He went through trials there. It was not a vacation.
Moses was on Mt Sinai 40 days receiving the Law of sin and death, fasting all that time.
There were 40 silver sockets holding the Tabernacle to the earth.
Around the tabernacle:
Numbers 1:21 (KJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] Those that were numbered of them, even of the tribe of Reuben, were forty and six thousand and five hundred. (46,500)
[HR][/HR] Numbers 1:25 (KJV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP] Those that were numbered of them, even of the tribe of Gad, were forty and five thousand six hundred and fifty. (45,650)
[HR][/HR] Numbers 1:33 (KJV)
[SUP]33 [/SUP] Those that were numbered of them, even of the tribe of Ephraim, were forty thousand and five hundred. (40,500)
[HR][/HR] Numbers 1:41 (KJV)
[SUP]41 [/SUP] Those that were numbered of them, even of the tribe of Asher, were forty and one thousand and five hundred. (41,500)
[HR][/HR]Etc, etc. 40 times x-thousands, adding hundreds and tens. Interesting to say the least.
Israel's 10 spies returned with their report 40 days after sent out to evaluate the promised land. Rejecting their encouragement, Israel wandered those 40 years.
I could go on and on with the emphasis by God on that one number. We could make a huge study over that number, and find much wisdom in it.
Then there's 153, the number of fish caught in Peter's net. Fascinating study there!
All such things have driven many into very deep study of the scriptures all their lives. I find that nothing less than a good thing, causing people to learn far more of the Word than by casual reading. Keep in mind how few admit to reading it at all, much less studying the scriptures by any incentive. Many folks only study it a while to try finding comfort in a crisis. When the crisis is over, the Bible only gets dusted off. Many do take it to church, but many don't actually open it. That's like wearing a badge or political campaign patch. Is that a better way?
I say whatever gets people to studying the Bible regularly s a good reason. The longer lots of folks stay involved at CC here, the more likely they too will realize they are studying it more than ever before. Sure, it would be better to study because Paul said to, because we love Jesus, but the polls all agree a tiny percentage of Christians do that at all.
A few post before you said you don't look to math for future events, then you post this, and says it already happened. This means nothing! But you lied! John Dee " the math man " predicted queen Mary's death, IT MEANS NOTHING!! You are following false doctrine, by false spirits. This is up to the individual, don't say this is of God, because it's a lie. Everyone who reads it that has truth in their heart will know, who are you fooling but yourselves?
Didn't lie. Nobody could have known these prophecies by numbers unless it was revealed to them by God. These are not future prophecies but fulfilled prophecies in the past. One can see the numbers match up by looking hindsight.
You slander and attack me. Jesus said believers would be persecuted. In fact, this is not the first time I have been attacked verbally concerning other topics on the Bible. In other words, what I am saying is to love your enemies as Christ taught.
You slander and attack me. Jesus said believers would be persecuted. In fact, this is not the first time I have been attacked verbally concerning other topics on the Bible. In other words, what I am saying is to love your enemies as Christ taught.
I do love you, or I wouldn't correct you and go on with this foolishness, here's post( #40,) where you said you don't do these things.. I would hope you stop this, I see your committed with the rest though, everyone has free will Jason, and you will be judged for it. Please stop, you know better then this Jason, don't follow the crowd and change Gods words to numbers, it's the worst thing I've heard yet, I don't know if it's blasphemous to the Spirit or not, I wouldn't touch this with a ten foot pole though, I know wayyyyy better, and I'm sorry you did lie here, very deceptive, repent Jason, the Kingdom of God is at hand.
I don't think anyone is giving any glory to the numbers at all. I think what people are asking is whether God uses particular numbers for a reason and purpose. The answer is yes. It does not make the numbers great. It shows how great our God is in that he has a purpose in all that he does. Understanding it is important as Peter mentions in 2 Peter 3. I think the goal here is to seek the deep things of God. This is a good thing. Study is a good thing.
God used numbers of days, weeks, months, and years to lay things out for Moses. God does not change and will not be mocked.
God used numbers of days, weeks, months, and years to lay things out for Moses. God does not change and will not be mocked.
There is a HUGE difference between a fulfilled prophecy and a future prophecy. In my initial warning against false numerology: I was referencing in one falsely trying to predict FUTURE prophecies with numbers. There is a difference. A prophecy that is already fulfilled is not divining anything because it is something that is already past. It is confirming what is already in God's Word. Do you understand the difference between a fulfilled prophecy and one that is yet to come (That is yet future)? Do you understand that my pointing to fulfilled prophecies is not a support of me looking to divine the future? Where exactly did I divine the future with Bible Numbers? The links I provided are not attempting to divine the future. They are prophecies of the past that are already fulfilled. Do you understand? Or are you just focused on slinging mud at me?
Also, I have no problem in admitting when I am wrong about something. I have made mistakes before. I have even admitted them openly before on a public Christian forum. Not afraid to admit when I am wrong. However, this is not one of those times, though. You are actually in the wrong here, my friend. Pray to God about it. Ask Him if you are correct or not!!!! Ask Him if your behavior here is appropriate and Christ like!!! Ask Him if there is something that you are not understanding about His Word!!!
Jeremiah 33:3.
Jeremiah 33:3.
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Dear BF:
I say this all in love, but I want you to know that I am currently not interested in trying to explain this topic to you, anymore (Because you obviously don't want to understand it). I am also not interested in continuing to defend myself against your accusations, either.
I say this because I am more interested in getting back to the study of His Word.
In any event, may God's love shine upon you.
And peace be unto you from the Lord Jesus Christ.
With loving kindness to you in Christ,
Sincerely,
~Jason.
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I say this all in love, but I want you to know that I am currently not interested in trying to explain this topic to you, anymore (Because you obviously don't want to understand it). I am also not interested in continuing to defend myself against your accusations, either.
I say this because I am more interested in getting back to the study of His Word.
In any event, may God's love shine upon you.
And peace be unto you from the Lord Jesus Christ.
With loving kindness to you in Christ,
Sincerely,
~Jason.
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I really like what you pointed out here and hope it is OK that I expound on it a bit because what you have said is VERY important.
Numerology is a blasphemy against God. The reason is because it puts trust in ones own understanding and in the numbers instead of putting trust in God to give understanding.
Daniel 2:47 The king answered unto Daniel and said, “In truth it is, that your God is a God of gods and a Lord of kings, and a revealer of secrets, seeing thou couldest reveal this secret.”
Without God, a person could study the scriptures on their own more than any other person on the earth and still not understand. In truth, there are many religious people that do this and are carried away by leaning to their own understanding. Some study the stars, numbers, history, word meanings, translations, etc... just like the scribes and Pharisees did.
The thing that separated them from those that had the wisdom of God was that they did not cry out to the Lord for understanding.
James 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, who giveth to all men liberally and upbraideth not, and it shall be given him.
They sought out their own answers.
It was God that revealed the signs and times to the wise men so they would know the truth about the appearing of Jesus Christ. They sought God on the significance of things that were said and were given understanding.
There were many people that were well-studied in dream interpretation in the time of Nebuchadnezzar. However, every interpretation was incorrect except the one that was given to Daniel by God.
I often hear people ask whether a dream is from God or not. This was never asked by Nebuchadnezzar nor Daniel. The important thing is where the interpretation is given from. If it is not given by God, then it will not be accurate.
God has shown his servants things through the heavens (like Ezekiel), dreams (like Nebuchadnezzar), visions (like John), numbers (like Peter), and so on and so forth.
Romans 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose.
Numerology is a blasphemy against God. The reason is because it puts trust in ones own understanding and in the numbers instead of putting trust in God to give understanding.
Daniel 2:47 The king answered unto Daniel and said, “In truth it is, that your God is a God of gods and a Lord of kings, and a revealer of secrets, seeing thou couldest reveal this secret.”
Without God, a person could study the scriptures on their own more than any other person on the earth and still not understand. In truth, there are many religious people that do this and are carried away by leaning to their own understanding. Some study the stars, numbers, history, word meanings, translations, etc... just like the scribes and Pharisees did.
The thing that separated them from those that had the wisdom of God was that they did not cry out to the Lord for understanding.
James 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, who giveth to all men liberally and upbraideth not, and it shall be given him.
They sought out their own answers.
It was God that revealed the signs and times to the wise men so they would know the truth about the appearing of Jesus Christ. They sought God on the significance of things that were said and were given understanding.
There were many people that were well-studied in dream interpretation in the time of Nebuchadnezzar. However, every interpretation was incorrect except the one that was given to Daniel by God.
I often hear people ask whether a dream is from God or not. This was never asked by Nebuchadnezzar nor Daniel. The important thing is where the interpretation is given from. If it is not given by God, then it will not be accurate.
God has shown his servants things through the heavens (like Ezekiel), dreams (like Nebuchadnezzar), visions (like John), numbers (like Peter), and so on and so forth.
Romans 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose.
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Anyone that plays with numbers is the devils work, and really got nothing else to say on the matter, keep adding and subtracting, and preaching this nonsense if you like, anyone that knows better, will know this is a lead in to magic, as I said before and the last time I will say it, YOUR FOOLING NO ONE BUT YOURSELVES