do not be decieved. let no one deceive you. Life and death
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Here another one from Martin;
Did the Law ever love me? Did the Law ever sacrifice itself for me? Did the Law ever die for me? On the contrary, it accuses me, it frightens me, it drives me crazy. Somebody else saved me from the Law, from sin and death unto eternal life. That Somebody is the Son of God (Who loved me and gave Himself for me). Hence, Christ is no Moses, no tyrant, no lawgiver, but the Giver of grace, the Savior, full of mercy….. Visualize Christ in these His true colors. I do not say that it is easy. Even in the present diffusion of the Gospel light, I have much trouble to see Christ as Paul portrays Him. So deeply has the diseased opinion that Christ is a lawgiver sunk into my bones. You younger men are a good deal better off than we who are old. You have never become infected with the nefarious errors on which I suckled all my youth, until at the mention of the name of Christ I shivered with fear. You, I say, who are young may learn to know Christ in all His sweetness. For Christ is Joy and Sweetness to a broken heart. Christ is a Lover of poor sinners and such a Lover that He gave Himself for us. Now if this is true, and it is true, then are we never justified by our own righteousness.
– Martin Luther
Did the Law ever love me? Did the Law ever sacrifice itself for me? Did the Law ever die for me? On the contrary, it accuses me, it frightens me, it drives me crazy. Somebody else saved me from the Law, from sin and death unto eternal life. That Somebody is the Son of God (Who loved me and gave Himself for me). Hence, Christ is no Moses, no tyrant, no lawgiver, but the Giver of grace, the Savior, full of mercy….. Visualize Christ in these His true colors. I do not say that it is easy. Even in the present diffusion of the Gospel light, I have much trouble to see Christ as Paul portrays Him. So deeply has the diseased opinion that Christ is a lawgiver sunk into my bones. You younger men are a good deal better off than we who are old. You have never become infected with the nefarious errors on which I suckled all my youth, until at the mention of the name of Christ I shivered with fear. You, I say, who are young may learn to know Christ in all His sweetness. For Christ is Joy and Sweetness to a broken heart. Christ is a Lover of poor sinners and such a Lover that He gave Himself for us. Now if this is true, and it is true, then are we never justified by our own righteousness.
– Martin Luther
With respect, you're causing your own illogical fallacy by giving an unequal analogy to prove your point. If course I can't give birth to a baby because that's not how I was created by God. But salvation is a choice. The blotting out is a consequence of one's choice.
So for the benefit of those reading let's share (as close to the) original. I may have done folks a disservice by cutting and pasting the first translated versions I see.
Ὁ νικῶν οὕτως περιβαλεῖται ἐν ἱματίοις λευκοῖς; καὶ οὐ μὴ ἐξαλείψω τὸ ὄνομα αὐτοῦ ἐκ τῆς βίβλου τῆς ζωῆς,...
[the one] [overcoming] [thus] [will be clothed] [in] [garments] [white] [and] [no] [not] [will blot out] [the] [name] [of him] [from] [the] [book] [of life],...
The word nikaó is a verb (action) not an adjective (a state). It means to conquer as if in battle; a struggle won.
The word mé simple negates a statement following. It doesn't lend itself to duration.
...Now that's simply sentence structure...but if we read the context, we first read a condition that must be met to make the following statement true.
(condition to meet) "the one that overcomes"
(resulting statement) "I will not blot out his name"
So for the benefit of those reading let's share (as close to the) original. I may have done folks a disservice by cutting and pasting the first translated versions I see.
Ὁ νικῶν οὕτως περιβαλεῖται ἐν ἱματίοις λευκοῖς; καὶ οὐ μὴ ἐξαλείψω τὸ ὄνομα αὐτοῦ ἐκ τῆς βίβλου τῆς ζωῆς,...
[the one] [overcoming] [thus] [will be clothed] [in] [garments] [white] [and] [no] [not] [will blot out] [the] [name] [of him] [from] [the] [book] [of life],...
The word nikaó is a verb (action) not an adjective (a state). It means to conquer as if in battle; a struggle won.
The word mé simple negates a statement following. It doesn't lend itself to duration.
...Now that's simply sentence structure...but if we read the context, we first read a condition that must be met to make the following statement true.
(condition to meet) "the one that overcomes"
(resulting statement) "I will not blot out his name"
umm...no I read it all. But if you wanted to discuss the meaning of victorious you probably should've held off on your counter argument because it was still illogical. With respect, I was correcting our focus by bringing light to the actual words used instead of the cut and paste job I previously did. I wonder...did you read MY entire post??
Discussing what it means to BE "victorious" is still not discussing the ACTION of "overcoming" (which can very well LEAD TO BEING victorious). The correct word in the passage is translated as "overcoming", not victorious. But if you want to discuss the meaning of victorious we can...but we wouldn't be discussing the correct passage at that point.
Discussing what it means to BE "victorious" is still not discussing the ACTION of "overcoming" (which can very well LEAD TO BEING victorious). The correct word in the passage is translated as "overcoming", not victorious. But if you want to discuss the meaning of victorious we can...but we wouldn't be discussing the correct passage at that point.
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Interesting that you both use scriptures. ....
So how does one overcome and how does one get admitted into Heaven?
1. Be cleansed by the blood of the lamb through faith in Christ redeeming work on the cross for our sins.
2. Be sealed by the indwelling Holy Spirit
3. Putting to death the old man of sin (death) and being born again (spirit resurrection) and constantly renewed through the leading of the Holy spirit (santification)
4. Be given new bodies upon Jesus return and spend eternity with God.
Is all that a work of God or a work of man?
I believe salvation is a work of God in men, but that God saves us for a purpose and if we don't seek to fulfill God's purpose in our lives He will chastens us and we will have no peace or joy walking outside God's will.
So how does one overcome and how does one get admitted into Heaven?
1. Be cleansed by the blood of the lamb through faith in Christ redeeming work on the cross for our sins.
2. Be sealed by the indwelling Holy Spirit
3. Putting to death the old man of sin (death) and being born again (spirit resurrection) and constantly renewed through the leading of the Holy spirit (santification)
4. Be given new bodies upon Jesus return and spend eternity with God.
Is all that a work of God or a work of man?
I believe salvation is a work of God in men, but that God saves us for a purpose and if we don't seek to fulfill God's purpose in our lives He will chastens us and we will have no peace or joy walking outside God's will.