Do our prayers make any difference to a departed loved one?

[onlinebuddy]

Below is an article I received from a catholic relative, today being "all souls day."
Please give your views on the article with Bible references. Also please give your views on Purgatory. Thank you.

Here's the article:
For the Souls in Purgatory
Plenary Indulgence
A plenary indulgence, applicable only to the souls in purgatory, is granted each and every day from Nov 1 to Nov 8, who devoutly visit a cemetery and there pray, if only mentally, for the departed.
All Souls’ Day – Plenary Indulgence
A plenary indulgence is granted the faithful who, on All Souls’ Day (or according to the judgment of the bishop, on the Sunday preceding or following it, or on the solemnity of All Saints), devoutly visits a church or an oratory and recites an Our Father and the Creed.
Requirements for obtaining a plenary indulgence:
· Do the work while in a state of grace,
· Receive Sacramental confession within 20 days of the work (several plenary indulgences may be earned per reception),
· Receive Eucharistic communion (one plenary indulgence may be earned per reception),
· Pray for the pope’s intentions (Our Father and Hail Mary, or other appropriate prayer, is sufficient),
· Have no attachment to sin (even venial) – i.e., it is sufficient that the Christian makes an act of the will to love God and despise sin.
Requirements for a partial indulgence: The work must be done while in a state of grace and with the general intention of earning an indulgence.
Notes:
· Only baptized persons in a state of grace who generally intend to do so may earn indulgences.
· Indulgences cannot be applied to the living, but only to the one doing the work or to the dead.
· Only one plenary indulgence per day can be earned (except for prayer at the hour of one’s own death).
· Several partial indulgences can be earned during the same day.
· If only part of a work with plenary indulgence attached is completed, a partial indulgence still obtains.
· If the penance assigned in confession has indulgences attached, the one work can satisfy both penance and indulgence.
· Confessors may commute the work or the conditions if the penitent cannot perform them due to legitimate obstacles.
· In groups, indulgenced prayer must be recited by at least one member while the others at least mentally follow the prayer.
· If speech/hearing impairments make recitation impossible, mental expression or reading of the prayer is sufficient.
· For an indulgence attached to a particular day requiring a church visit, the day begins at noon the day before and ends at midnight.
What are you waiting for? This is a fantastic opportunity to help the Church Suffering!

Why Should We Visit a Cemetery to Pray for the Dead?
The Church offers an Indulgence for a Cemetery Visit that is available as a partial indulgence all year round, but from November 1 through November 8, this indulgence is plenary. Like the All Souls Day indulgence, it is applicable only to the souls in Purgatory. As a plenary indulgence, it remits all punishment due to sin, which means that simply by performing the requirements of the indulgence, you can obtain the entrance into Heaven of a soul who is currently suffering in Purgatory.
This indulgence for a visit to a cemetery encourages us to spend even the briefest of moments in prayer for the dead in a location that reminds us that we, too, will someday need the prayers of the other members of the Communion of Saints—both those still living and those who have entered into eternal glory.
For most of us, the indulgence for a cemetery visit takes only a few minutes, and yet it reaps immense spiritual benefit for the Holy Souls in Purgatory—and for us as well, since those souls whose suffering we ease will pray for us when they enter into Heaven.
What Must One Do to Obtain the Indulgence?
To obtain the plenary indulgence on November 1-November 8, we must receive Communion and sacramental Confession (and have no attachment to sin, even venial).
Communion must be received each day we wish to gain the indulgence, but we only need to go to Confession once during the period. A good prayer to recite to earn the indulgence is Eternal Rest, though any formal or informal prayer for the dead will suffice. And, as with all plenary indulgences, we must pray for the intentions of the Holy Father (one Our Father and one Hail Mary) each day we perform the work of the indulgence.
Listing in the Enchiridion of Indulgences (1968)
13. Coemeterii visitatio
Type of Indulgence
Plenary on November 1-November 8; partial the rest of the year
Restrictions
Applies only to the souls in Purgatory
The Work of the Indulgence
An indulgence, applicable only to the Souls in Purgatory, is granted to the faithful, who devoutly visit a cemetery and pray, even if only mentally, for the departed. The indulgence is plenary each day from the 1st to the 8th of November; on other days of the year it is partial.

 

[trofimus]

This is a protestant page, so, as you might expect, we do not believe in a roman catholic doctrine called "purgatory".

 

[Enow]

Psalm 49:[SUP]7 [/SUP]None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:[SUP] 8 [/SUP](For the redemption of their soul is precious, and it ceaseth for ever

Prayers are for the living. It is too late for the dead. Those who are His, have no need for prayers.

Hebrews 9:[SUP]26 [/SUP]For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.[SUP] 27 [/SUP]And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:[SUP] 28 [/SUP]So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

2 Corinthians 5:[SUP]7 [/SUP](For we walk by faith, not by sight[SUP] 8 [/SUP]We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.[SUP] 9 [/SUP]Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.[SUP]10 [/SUP]For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.[SUP]11 [/SUP]Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

There is no purgatory. Every believer will answer to the Lord for any unrepentant iniquity, but they are with the Lord still. That is why the call to repentance is for the living just as the prayers are for.

The risk of not departing from iniquity is to be received as a vessel unto dishonor in His House. It will be very bad, as in weeping and gnashing of teeth, for those still living that get left behind at the pre trib rapture event, but His word still applies so that when death comes, they are with the Lord.

So pray for the living that need His help to walk in the light in following Him by laying aside every weight & sin so they can be accepted by Him as a vessel unto honor in His House to attend the Marriage Supper at the pre trib rapture event.

Do ask the Lord Jesus Christ to help you to see why you do not need to do the works of catholicism to be saved, because you are saved when you had first believed in the Lord Jesus Christ & that God raised Him from the dead.

Romans 10:[SUP]8 [/SUP]But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;[SUP] 9 [/SUP]That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.[SUP] 10 [/SUP]For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.[SUP] 11 [/SUP]For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.[SUP]12 [/SUP]For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.[SUP] 13 [/SUP]For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

May the Lord lead you out of the RCC to live that reconciled relationship with God thru Jesus Christ. Amen.

2 Corinthians 6:[SUP]16 [/SUP]And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. [SUP]17 [/SUP]Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you. 18And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

 

[Marcelo]

See Luke 16:19 The Rich Man and Lazarus.

The rich man, in Hades, (after death) saw Abraham and said:


24.......‘Father Abraham, have pity on me .....

25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony.26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’

 

[Adstar]

Below is an article I received from a catholic relative, today being "all souls day."
Please give your views on the article with Bible references. Also please give your views on Purgatory. Thank you.

Here's the article:
For the Souls in Purgatory
Plenary Indulgence
A plenary indulgence, applicable only to the souls in purgatory, is granted each and every day from Nov 1 to Nov 8, who devoutly visit a cemetery and there pray, if only mentally, for the departed.
All Souls’ Day – Plenary Indulgence
A plenary indulgence is granted the faithful who, on All Souls’ Day (or according to the judgment of the bishop, on the Sunday preceding or following it, or on the solemnity of All Saints), devoutly visits a church or an oratory and recites an Our Father and the Creed.
Requirements for obtaining a plenary indulgence:
· Do the work while in a state of grace,
· Receive Sacramental confession within 20 days of the work (several plenary indulgences may be earned per reception),
· Receive Eucharistic communion (one plenary indulgence may be earned per reception),
· Pray for the pope’s intentions (Our Father and Hail Mary, or other appropriate prayer, is sufficient),
· Have no attachment to sin (even venial) – i.e., it is sufficient that the Christian makes an act of the will to love God and despise sin.
Requirements for a partial indulgence: The work must be done while in a state of grace and with the general intention of earning an indulgence.
Notes:
· Only baptized persons in a state of grace who generally intend to do so may earn indulgences.
· Indulgences cannot be applied to the living, but only to the one doing the work or to the dead.
· Only one plenary indulgence per day can be earned (except for prayer at the hour of one’s own death).
· Several partial indulgences can be earned during the same day.
· If only part of a work with plenary indulgence attached is completed, a partial indulgence still obtains.
· If the penance assigned in confession has indulgences attached, the one work can satisfy both penance and indulgence.
· Confessors may commute the work or the conditions if the penitent cannot perform them due to legitimate obstacles.
· In groups, indulgenced prayer must be recited by at least one member while the others at least mentally follow the prayer.
· If speech/hearing impairments make recitation impossible, mental expression or reading of the prayer is sufficient.
· For an indulgence attached to a particular day requiring a church visit, the day begins at noon the day before and ends at midnight.
What are you waiting for? This is a fantastic opportunity to help the Church Suffering!

Why Should We Visit a Cemetery to Pray for the Dead?
The Church offers an Indulgence for a Cemetery Visit that is available as a partial indulgence all year round, but from November 1 through November 8, this indulgence is plenary. Like the All Souls Day indulgence, it is applicable only to the souls in Purgatory. As a plenary indulgence, it remits all punishment due to sin, which means that simply by performing the requirements of the indulgence, you can obtain the entrance into Heaven of a soul who is currently suffering in Purgatory.
This indulgence for a visit to a cemetery encourages us to spend even the briefest of moments in prayer for the dead in a location that reminds us that we, too, will someday need the prayers of the other members of the Communion of Saints—both those still living and those who have entered into eternal glory.
For most of us, the indulgence for a cemetery visit takes only a few minutes, and yet it reaps immense spiritual benefit for the Holy Souls in Purgatory—and for us as well, since those souls whose suffering we ease will pray for us when they enter into Heaven.
What Must One Do to Obtain the Indulgence?
To obtain the plenary indulgence on November 1-November 8, we must receive Communion and sacramental Confession (and have no attachment to sin, even venial).
Communion must be received each day we wish to gain the indulgence, but we only need to go to Confession once during the period. A good prayer to recite to earn the indulgence is Eternal Rest, though any formal or informal prayer for the dead will suffice. And, as with all plenary indulgences, we must pray for the intentions of the Holy Father (one Our Father and one Hail Mary) each day we perform the work of the indulgence.
Listing in the Enchiridion of Indulgences (1968)
13. Coemeterii visitatio
Type of Indulgence
Plenary on November 1-November 8; partial the rest of the year
Restrictions
Applies only to the souls in Purgatory
The Work of the Indulgence
An indulgence, applicable only to the Souls in Purgatory, is granted to the faithful, who devoutly visit a cemetery and pray, even if only mentally, for the departed. The indulgence is plenary each day from the 1st to the 8th of November; on other days of the year it is partial.

catholicism is not right with the Bible.. catholicism is not Christianity.. it is another religion..

There is no purgatory in the Bible.. It is a made up doctrine of man that denies the sufficiency of the Atonement of the LORD Jesus Christ to cover our sins.. It is a denial of the grace of Jesus.. Any religion that denies the Atonement of the LORD Jesus Christ is not Christian..

Prayers for the dead have no effect on the eternal outcome of the dead.. The time to affect a person is while they are in this world alive and with us.. Bejond the grave there is nothing we can do.. It is in the hands of the LORD..

 

[dcontroversal]

No...............one's destiny is sealed the moment they give up the ghost......there is no purgatory, and for sure a priest cannot be paid to pray one into heaven.....nor can any man, priest, pope deem one a saint and poof they are a saint....

we have this life to chose....either JESUS, faith and saved to God's kingdom or a rejection of Christ by default (if no faith into his work for salvation) and cast from the presence of God for all eternity.

 

[garee]

Below is an article I received from a catholic relative, today being "all souls day."
Please give your views on the article with Bible references. Also please give your views on Purgatory. Thank you.

Here's the article:
For the Souls in Purgatory
Plenary Indulgence
A plenary indulgence, applicable only to the souls in purgatory, is granted each and every day from Nov 1 to Nov 8, who devoutly visit a cemetery and there pray, if only mentally, for the departed.
All Souls’ Day – Plenary Indulgence
A plenary indulgence is granted the faithful who, on All Souls’ Day (or according to the judgment of the bishop, on the Sunday preceding or following it, or on the solemnity of All Saints), devoutly visits a church or an oratory and recites an Our Father and the Creed.
Requirements for obtaining a plenary indulgence:
· Do the work while in a state of grace,
· Receive Sacramental confession within 20 days of the work (several plenary indulgences may be earned per reception),
· Receive Eucharistic communion (one plenary indulgence may be earned per reception),
· Pray for the pope’s intentions (Our Father and Hail Mary, or other appropriate prayer, is sufficient),
· Have no attachment to sin (even venial) – i.e., it is sufficient that the Christian makes an act of the will to love God and despise sin.
Requirements for a partial indulgence: The work must be done while in a state of grace and with the general intention of earning an indulgence.
Notes:
· Only baptized persons in a state of grace who generally intend to do so may earn indulgences.
· Indulgences cannot be applied to the living, but only to the one doing the work or to the dead.
· Only one plenary indulgence per day can be earned (except for prayer at the hour of one’s own death).
· Several partial indulgences can be earned during the same day.
· If only part of a work with plenary indulgence attached is completed, a partial indulgence still obtains.
· If the penance assigned in confession has indulgences attached, the one work can satisfy both penance and indulgence.
· Confessors may commute the work or the conditions if the penitent cannot perform them due to legitimate obstacles.
· In groups, indulgenced prayer must be recited by at least one member while the others at least mentally follow the prayer.
· If speech/hearing impairments make recitation impossible, mental expression or reading of the prayer is sufficient.
· For an indulgence attached to a particular day requiring a church visit, the day begins at noon the day before and ends at midnight.
What are you waiting for? This is a fantastic opportunity to help the Church Suffering!

Why Should We Visit a Cemetery to Pray for the Dead?
The Church offers an Indulgence for a Cemetery Visit that is available as a partial indulgence all year round, but from November 1 through November 8, this indulgence is plenary. Like the All Souls Day indulgence, it is applicable only to the souls in Purgatory. As a plenary indulgence, it remits all punishment due to sin, which means that simply by performing the requirements of the indulgence, you can obtain the entrance into Heaven of a soul who is currently suffering in Purgatory.
This indulgence for a visit to a cemetery encourages us to spend even the briefest of moments in prayer for the dead in a location that reminds us that we, too, will someday need the prayers of the other members of the Communion of Saints—both those still living and those who have entered into eternal glory.
For most of us, the indulgence for a cemetery visit takes only a few minutes, and yet it reaps immense spiritual benefit for the Holy Souls in Purgatory—and for us as well, since those souls whose suffering we ease will pray for us when they enter into Heaven.
What Must One Do to Obtain the Indulgence?
To obtain the plenary indulgence on November 1-November 8, we must receive Communion and sacramental Confession (and have no attachment to sin, even venial).
Communion must be received each day we wish to gain the indulgence, but we only need to go to Confession once during the period. A good prayer to recite to earn the indulgence is Eternal Rest, though any formal or informal prayer for the dead will suffice. And, as with all plenary indulgences, we must pray for the intentions of the Holy Father (one Our Father and one Hail Mary) each day we perform the work of the indulgence.
Listing in the Enchiridion of Indulgences (1968)
13. Coemeterii visitatio
Type of Indulgence
Plenary on November 1-November 8; partial the rest of the year
Restrictions
Applies only to the souls in Purgatory
The Work of the Indulgence
An indulgence, applicable only to the Souls in Purgatory, is granted to the faithful, who devoutly visit a cemetery and pray, even if only mentally, for the departed. The indulgence is plenary each day from the 1st to the 8th of November; on other days of the year it is partial.

What you offered represents those whose foundation is built on “necromancy” which seeking after a legion ( 3500 and riisng) of departed spirits in a hope of their help in things of this world as if they were still here under the Sun, reigning with Christ.

The Catholics call those kind of workers with familiar spirits, Patron saints. They deny the only unseen unfamiliar Spirit that we can pray to is that of our Father in heaven. They usurp his authority making the word of God without effect . One is our Holy Father in heaven we are to call no man father of earth.

The apostate Jews did the same using a different name to do the work of usurping . The unbelieving (no faith) Jews did it in respect the word Abraham, the Catholics in respect to the word Peter .(carbon copy)

Necromancy is spoken of in Isaiah.

And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them. Isa 8:19

The first use of the word seek... darash (shows they are seeking after the legion of those that have familiar spirits. The second use of the word seek is in respect to seeking after our Father in heaven. Context help us sort it out.

Strongs lexicon...01875 darash {daw-rash'}
a primitive root; TWOT - 455; v
AV - seek 84, enquire 43, require 12, search 7, misc 18; 164
1) to resort to, seek, seek with care, enquire, require 1a) (Qal) 1a1) to resort to, frequent (a place), (tread a place) 1a2) to consult, enquire of, seek 1a2a) of God 1a2b) of heathen gods, necromancers 1a3) to seek deity in prayer and worship 1a3a) God 1a3b) heathen deities 1a4) to seek (with a demand), demand, require 1a5) to investigate, enquire 1a6) to ask for, require, demand 1a7) to practice, study, follow, seek with application 1a8) to seek with care, care for 1b) (Niphal) 1b1) to allow oneself to be enquired of, consulted (only of God) 1b2) to be sought, be sought out 1b3) to be required (of blood)

We know that when a person leaves here under the sun that their memory of thing here will not be remembered or never come mind throughout eternity.

If we are reigning with Christ it is under the sun before it disappears in the new heavens and earth , Christ the temple will be our Light. there will be no night. .

Today our Savior excepts the good work of bringing his gospel.

For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they "any more a portion" for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.Go thy way, eat thy bread with joy, and drink thy wine with a merry heart; for God now accepteth thy works.Ecc 9:7

 

[oldethennew]

no, not in Yeshua's world, He always has the last word,,, if we have the compassions/love
for those that have died and are awaiting the Resurrection,
then our Love for them will never be forgotten/over-looked by our Heavenly Father...

 

[Johnny_B]

Below is an article I received from a catholic relative, today being "all souls day."
Please give your views on the article with Bible references. Also please give your views on Purgatory. Thank you.

Hebrews 9:27 "And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment,"

 

[Joidevivre]

My prayers do not affect those who have died...BUT their prayers for me while they were living still are taking effect and being answered.

I'm grateful that I have come from generations of praying people.

 

[Jackson123]

Below is an article I received from a catholic relative, today being "all souls day."
Please give your views on the article with Bible references. Also please give your views on Purgatory. Thank you.

Here's the article:
For the Souls in Purgatory
Plenary Indulgence
A plenary indulgence, applicable only to the souls in purgatory, is granted each and every day from Nov 1 to Nov 8, who devoutly visit a cemetery and there pray, if only mentally, for the departed.
All Souls’ Day – Plenary Indulgence
A plenary indulgence is granted the faithful who, on All Souls’ Day (or according to the judgment of the bishop, on the Sunday preceding or following it, or on the solemnity of All Saints), devoutly visits a church or an oratory and recites an Our Father and the Creed.
Requirements for obtaining a plenary indulgence:
· Do the work while in a state of grace,
· Receive Sacramental confession within 20 days of the work (several plenary indulgences may be earned per reception),
· Receive Eucharistic communion (one plenary indulgence may be earned per reception),
· Pray for the pope’s intentions (Our Father and Hail Mary, or other appropriate prayer, is sufficient),
· Have no attachment to sin (even venial) – i.e., it is sufficient that the Christian makes an act of the will to love God and despise sin.
Requirements for a partial indulgence: The work must be done while in a state of grace and with the general intention of earning an indulgence.
Notes:
· Only baptized persons in a state of grace who generally intend to do so may earn indulgences.
· Indulgences cannot be applied to the living, but only to the one doing the work or to the dead.
· Only one plenary indulgence per day can be earned (except for prayer at the hour of one’s own death).
· Several partial indulgences can be earned during the same day.
· If only part of a work with plenary indulgence attached is completed, a partial indulgence still obtains.
· If the penance assigned in confession has indulgences attached, the one work can satisfy both penance and indulgence.
· Confessors may commute the work or the conditions if the penitent cannot perform them due to legitimate obstacles.
· In groups, indulgenced prayer must be recited by at least one member while the others at least mentally follow the prayer.
· If speech/hearing impairments make recitation impossible, mental expression or reading of the prayer is sufficient.
· For an indulgence attached to a particular day requiring a church visit, the day begins at noon the day before and ends at midnight.
What are you waiting for? This is a fantastic opportunity to help the Church Suffering!

Why Should We Visit a Cemetery to Pray for the Dead?
The Church offers an Indulgence for a Cemetery Visit that is available as a partial indulgence all year round, but from November 1 through November 8, this indulgence is plenary. Like the All Souls Day indulgence, it is applicable only to the souls in Purgatory. As a plenary indulgence, it remits all punishment due to sin, which means that simply by performing the requirements of the indulgence, you can obtain the entrance into Heaven of a soul who is currently suffering in Purgatory.
This indulgence for a visit to a cemetery encourages us to spend even the briefest of moments in prayer for the dead in a location that reminds us that we, too, will someday need the prayers of the other members of the Communion of Saints—both those still living and those who have entered into eternal glory.
For most of us, the indulgence for a cemetery visit takes only a few minutes, and yet it reaps immense spiritual benefit for the Holy Souls in Purgatory—and for us as well, since those souls whose suffering we ease will pray for us when they enter into Heaven.
What Must One Do to Obtain the Indulgence?
To obtain the plenary indulgence on November 1-November 8, we must receive Communion and sacramental Confession (and have no attachment to sin, even venial).
Communion must be received each day we wish to gain the indulgence, but we only need to go to Confession once during the period. A good prayer to recite to earn the indulgence is Eternal Rest, though any formal or informal prayer for the dead will suffice. And, as with all plenary indulgences, we must pray for the intentions of the Holy Father (one Our Father and one Hail Mary) each day we perform the work of the indulgence.
Listing in the Enchiridion of Indulgences (1968)
13. Coemeterii visitatio
Type of Indulgence
Plenary on November 1-November 8; partial the rest of the year
Restrictions
Applies only to the souls in Purgatory
The Work of the Indulgence
An indulgence, applicable only to the Souls in Purgatory, is granted to the faithful, who devoutly visit a cemetery and pray, even if only mentally, for the departed. The indulgence is plenary each day from the 1st to the 8th of November; on other days of the year it is partial.

God is the owner of the universe, Only God have the right to make spiritual law, only God have authority to make a qualification

for to go to heaven or to obtain forgiveness.

this article show how a humans take over God authority. This is serious crime, this is coup d'etat, I detect lucifer fingerprint here.

 

[crossnote]

For the Souls in Purgatory
Plenary Indulgence
A plenary indulgence, applicable only to the souls in purgatory, is granted each and every day from Nov 1 to Nov 8, who devoutly visit a cemetery and there pray, if only mentally, for the departed.
All Souls’ Day – Plenary Indulgence
A plenary indulgence is granted the faithful who, on All Souls’ Day (or according to the judgment of the bishop, on the Sunday preceding or following it, or on the solemnity of All Saints), devoutly visits a church or an oratory and recites an Our Father and the Creed.
Requirements for obtaining a plenary indulgence:
· Do the work while in a state of grace,
· Receive Sacramental confession within 20 days of the work (several plenary indulgences may be earned per reception),

blah, blah

Indulgences are based on the false teaching that some individuals have a greater treasury of righteousness than others so that those who have little can buy from those who have an overabundance. The RCC built Cathedrals with this scam. Even Benny Hinn couldn't come up with something so devious. Essentially it is shouting"FORGIVENESS FOR SALE!, FORGIVENESS FOR SALE!"

 

[oldethennew]

not to mention, if you have enough cash, you can fly to Rome
and kiss the very hand of the 'fake' jesus...HELLO!!!

 

[Snoozy]

i dont think so because

hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

 

[Depleted]

Below is an article I received from a catholic relative, today being "all souls day."
Please give your views on the article with Bible references. Also please give your views on Purgatory. Thank you.

Here's the article:
For the Souls in Purgatory
Plenary Indulgence
A plenary indulgence, applicable only to the souls in purgatory, is granted each and every day from Nov 1 to Nov 8, who devoutly visit a cemetery and there pray, if only mentally, for the departed.
All Souls’ Day – Plenary Indulgence
A plenary indulgence is granted the faithful who, on All Souls’ Day (or according to the judgment of the bishop, on the Sunday preceding or following it, or on the solemnity of All Saints), devoutly visits a church or an oratory and recites an Our Father and the Creed.
Requirements for obtaining a plenary indulgence:
· Do the work while in a state of grace,
· Receive Sacramental confession within 20 days of the work (several plenary indulgences may be earned per reception),
· Receive Eucharistic communion (one plenary indulgence may be earned per reception),
· Pray for the pope’s intentions (Our Father and Hail Mary, or other appropriate prayer, is sufficient),
· Have no attachment to sin (even venial) – i.e., it is sufficient that the Christian makes an act of the will to love God and despise sin.
Requirements for a partial indulgence: The work must be done while in a state of grace and with the general intention of earning an indulgence.
Notes:
· Only baptized persons in a state of grace who generally intend to do so may earn indulgences.
· Indulgences cannot be applied to the living, but only to the one doing the work or to the dead.
· Only one plenary indulgence per day can be earned (except for prayer at the hour of one’s own death).
· Several partial indulgences can be earned during the same day.
· If only part of a work with plenary indulgence attached is completed, a partial indulgence still obtains.
· If the penance assigned in confession has indulgences attached, the one work can satisfy both penance and indulgence.
· Confessors may commute the work or the conditions if the penitent cannot perform them due to legitimate obstacles.
· In groups, indulgenced prayer must be recited by at least one member while the others at least mentally follow the prayer.
· If speech/hearing impairments make recitation impossible, mental expression or reading of the prayer is sufficient.
· For an indulgence attached to a particular day requiring a church visit, the day begins at noon the day before and ends at midnight.
What are you waiting for? This is a fantastic opportunity to help the Church Suffering!

Why Should We Visit a Cemetery to Pray for the Dead?
The Church offers an Indulgence for a Cemetery Visit that is available as a partial indulgence all year round, but from November 1 through November 8, this indulgence is plenary. Like the All Souls Day indulgence, it is applicable only to the souls in Purgatory. As a plenary indulgence, it remits all punishment due to sin, which means that simply by performing the requirements of the indulgence, you can obtain the entrance into Heaven of a soul who is currently suffering in Purgatory.
This indulgence for a visit to a cemetery encourages us to spend even the briefest of moments in prayer for the dead in a location that reminds us that we, too, will someday need the prayers of the other members of the Communion of Saints—both those still living and those who have entered into eternal glory.
For most of us, the indulgence for a cemetery visit takes only a few minutes, and yet it reaps immense spiritual benefit for the Holy Souls in Purgatory—and for us as well, since those souls whose suffering we ease will pray for us when they enter into Heaven.
What Must One Do to Obtain the Indulgence?
To obtain the plenary indulgence on November 1-November 8, we must receive Communion and sacramental Confession (and have no attachment to sin, even venial).
Communion must be received each day we wish to gain the indulgence, but we only need to go to Confession once during the period. A good prayer to recite to earn the indulgence is Eternal Rest, though any formal or informal prayer for the dead will suffice. And, as with all plenary indulgences, we must pray for the intentions of the Holy Father (one Our Father and one Hail Mary) each day we perform the work of the indulgence.
Listing in the Enchiridion of Indulgences (1968)
13. Coemeterii visitatio
Type of Indulgence
Plenary on November 1-November 8; partial the rest of the year
Restrictions
Applies only to the souls in Purgatory
The Work of the Indulgence
An indulgence, applicable only to the Souls in Purgatory, is granted to the faithful, who devoutly visit a cemetery and pray, even if only mentally, for the departed. The indulgence is plenary each day from the 1st to the 8th of November; on other days of the year it is partial.

That debate and the outcome of it started 500 years and 2 days ago. It's finished too. Isn't this like arguing if wheels should be round or square?

 

[onlinebuddy]

Psalm 49:[SUP]7 [/SUP]None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:[SUP] 8 [/SUP](For the redemption of their soul is precious, and it ceaseth for ever

Prayers are for the living. It is too late for the dead. Those who are His, have no need for prayers.

Hebrews 9:[SUP]26 [/SUP]For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.[SUP] 27 [/SUP]And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:[SUP] 28 [/SUP]So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

2 Corinthians 5:[SUP]7 [/SUP](For we walk by faith, not by sight[SUP] 8 [/SUP]We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.[SUP] 9 [/SUP]Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.[SUP]10 [/SUP]For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.[SUP]11 [/SUP]Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

There is no purgatory. Every believer will answer to the Lord for any unrepentant iniquity, but they are with the Lord still. That is why the call to repentance is for the living just as the prayers are for.

The risk of not departing from iniquity is to be received as a vessel unto dishonor in His House. It will be very bad, as in weeping and gnashing of teeth, for those still living that get left behind at the pre trib rapture event, but His word still applies so that when death comes, they are with the Lord.

So pray for the living that need His help to walk in the light in following Him by laying aside every weight & sin so they can be accepted by Him as a vessel unto honor in His House to attend the Marriage Supper at the pre trib rapture event.

Do ask the Lord Jesus Christ to help you to see why you do not need to do the works of catholicism to be saved, because you are saved when you had first believed in the Lord Jesus Christ & that God raised Him from the dead.

Romans 10:[SUP]8 [/SUP]But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;[SUP] 9 [/SUP]That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.[SUP] 10 [/SUP]For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.[SUP] 11 [/SUP]For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.[SUP]12 [/SUP]For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.[SUP] 13 [/SUP]For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

May the Lord lead you out of the RCC to live that reconciled relationship with God thru Jesus Christ. Amen.

2 Corinthians 6:[SUP]16 [/SUP]And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. [SUP]17 [/SUP]Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you. 18And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

Agree that there is no purgatory.
Can someone please elaborate on the "judgment seat of Christ" 1 Cor 5:10?

 

[jaybird88]

There is no purgatory in the Bible.. It is a made up doctrine of man that denies the sufficiency of the Atonement of the LORD Jesus Christ to cover our sins.. It is a denial of the grace of Jesus.. Any religion that denies the Atonement of the LORD Jesus Christ is not Christian..

no purgatory because the scriptures that teach it were thrown out. im thinking of cheating on my wife, maybe i will just black out all the passages that command not to do that.

the truth of it is the new covenant community at Qumran were teaching purgatory long before rome and catholics ever entered the picture.

 

[Jackson123]

no purgatory because the scriptures that teach it were thrown out. im thinking of cheating on my wife, maybe i will just black out all the passages that command not to do that.

the truth of it is the new covenant community at Qumran were teaching purgatory long before rome and catholics ever entered the picture.

why Jews religion do not teach purgatory.

 

[Enow]

Agree that there is no purgatory.
Can someone please elaborate on the "judgment seat of Christ" 1 Cor 5:10?

BTW You cited a wrong reference; it is 2 Corinthians 5:10.

2 Corinthians 5:[SUP]9 [/SUP]Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.[SUP] 10 [/SUP]For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.[SUP]11 [/SUP]Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

If any one has sinned, they can ask for forgiveness & help not to do it again. Then that wood,stubble, and hay is not on that foundation any more. * See 1 Corinthians 3:10-17 & 2 Timothy 2:18-21.

It is unrepentant sins or heresy that denies Him that remains on that foundation is what will be judged by Him when the Bridegroom comes at the pre trib rapture event. That is when God will judge His House first when there will be castaways to suffer the coming fire on the earth & the subsequent great tribulation as a result as we can trust faithful Jesus in keeping the souls of those saints that will suffer being left behind 8 See 1 Peter 4:17-19 KJV only.

God will excommunicate those found in unrepentant iniquity, disqualifying them from the Marriage Supper just as a church is to excommunicate for that purpose in 1 Corinthians 5:4-5 to hold the feast of fellowship in sincerity and in truth as they would at the Marriage Supper table so that the glory in the Lord will be good.

1 Corinthians 5:[SUP]4 [/SUP]In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, [SUP]5 [/SUP]To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. [SUP]6 [/SUP]Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump? [SUP]7 [/SUP]Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: [SUP]8 [/SUP]Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

 

[preacher4truth]

Roman Catholic heresy of prayers for the dead doesn't just stop at the prayer part. Let's be real; one also needs money to go along with the prayer.