Do we know how Yeshua lived his life?

[Rainrider]

OFF TOPIC

Jhn 2:4¶Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come.

The use of the word Women in this passage has been said to be disrespectful to Yeshua's mom. However, in the Hebrew language it isn't. In fact it is a sigh of respect. As one can see if they read the Tanhka. As we should know for Yeshua to live out the Torah perfectly, He would never have been disrespectful to any elder.

Jhn 2:9 When the ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made wine, and knew not whence it was: (but the servants which drew the water knew the governor of the feast called the bridegroom,

Now I have heard from almost every church leader that this wasn't wine, it was juice. However if we take a look at this, we soon find in Hebrew there are 2 words used for wine. The first, being Yayin. This is the word used here, it does denote fermented wine. The other is ti-rosh. This depices juice, or unfermented wine. So when a person tells me that having wine for the feast, (Yes I do keep all 7 of haShem's feast) is sinful, I simply over their lack of understanding more on.

Jhn 2:13¶And the Jews' passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem,

As we should understand Yeshua kept the Feast of HaShem. Some will say they are Jewish feast, even though the Word is clear in saying they Are HaShem's feast. Lev.23:4. So go right on and argue with the Word if you wish.

Jhn 2:15 And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;

Now I know Yeshua did teach self control, peace, love, and tolerance. Though as we see here He also understood, Ecc. 3:1-8. I know that I have been called rude, hateful, and well a number of things that simply show only I take my cue from the teachings of Yeshua. Like Him I will only take so much before I stand up say stop.

Jhn 2:19¶Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

Just as then, many miss the full meaning of those Words. Oh sure you all know He was speaking of His body, after all when one teaches that He was placed in the thumb on Friday, they remove His teaching from 3 days and nights and make it 2 nights one day.
To close this post, when one tries to say they walk after the teachings of Yeshua, then tells me following the feast is a sin. I ask, did Yeshua sin in keeping the feast? Did He remove them from the list of things one should do? If you say yes, I ask that you show this in the words of Yeshua, and not try to use Paul to say look, see, right there. That in all truth only shows your lack of understanding that Paul held to the example Yeshua left.

 

[Rainrider]

I already did. You tell people to try their best. But God doesn't accept our best because He only accepts perfection. Our best is nothing more than filthy rags to God. So in telling people to do their best, you are in effect teaching people to live in a manner that doesn't please God.
On the other hand, God has shown us how to live perfectly. By walking in the Spirit, we will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh...Galatians 5:16. It will not be us trying to do our best; rather, it will be Christ living perfectly in and through us.
I only mentioned it because I thought you wanted best for people. And you can easily not be distracted if you simply don't reply to those you believe are distracting from your point. So why blame others for your lack of discipline?

Again all you did was push what you think I said. NOt that you care about truth, if you did you wouldn't twist others words in your mind, then try to say your right because your mind reader, and the one that said is wrong, because you said so. This will be the last time I address you at all.

 

[Rainrider]

OFF TOPIC


Jhn 3:3¶Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Though many today will say I know what that means, we are left to wonder if they truly do. You see, they will talk about baptism, grace, faith, and some will ever use the word, a change in how one thinks. It is true that all of them play a part in true conversation, ( NOT TO JUDAISM have to add or it will become a big thing about something I never said.) As we know Yeshua had many things to say about conversation, yet like my self, He never said, (too Judaism) However, in this context, He is speaking of being of the Spirit.

As we see, (if we take a true look at this) it covers many things. Faith, most will jump to point this out, Obedience, not many will say this the reason will follow in a bit) and last but not lest, a change in thinking. Some will say a change of the heart. However, what a person thinks, does, and says comes from where their heart is. So if a person is set in their heart that Paulitheisum is right, they teach that. I do hope some understand what that is, and find time to look into their own heart to see if this fits them.
I have asked in this thread, when this came up, what are we to be odebient to? Well I never got an answer to that. The reason I am sure is that they have none. You see the person that opened that line of thought, also wishes for us to believe the Law has been removed. So let me give some passages that if you a red letter Bible will be in Red.
Mat.19:17, Mark 10:17-21, John 14:15, John 14:21, and John 15:10. If we expand on this we should also look at what Yeshua has to say about the Law. So here are some that, even though it is the same topic, as the commandments and the Law are one in the same. As you can see if you take an honest look.
Mat. 5:17-19, Mat. 7:12, Mat. 12:5, Luke 2:17-19, John 7:19, John 15:25,

I so look forword to the discution that will come from this one post. Just keep in mind, if you turn to Paul I will not reply. This is a study on Yeshua, not Paul. However I know full well I am going to be called many things from this post.
Still if we stay on topic, and really wish to understand what Yeshua left us as an example, this should be good.
After all there is a lot to sift through here.

 

[ResidentAlien]

Thank you once more for not showing me wrong.

I'm showing the scripture to be true, not prove you right or wrong. If you noticed, I didn't even post this to you; it's not always about you.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Just want to touch on if one is walking in Christ's Spirit- we would be obedient to God's law- just as Christ was. John 15:10

John 14:15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another [e]Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

Romans 8:4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

1 John 2:3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.

God's Spirit is given (resides) to those who obey

Acts 5:32 And we are His witnesses to these things, and so also is the Holy Spirit whom God has given to those who obey Him.”

 

[vassal]

It seems that some would disagree with you, even if you showed them a fence post, they would try to say you called it something other that.

I am getting used to it some people prefer the darkness and wont follow the light (Jesus)

 

[SabbathBlessing]

I am getting used to it some people prefer the darkness and wont follow the light (Jesus)

Sad but true

John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. 21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.”

God is Truth John 14:6
His commandments are Truth Psa 119:151
His Word is Truth John 17:17

We need the whole Truth which sets us free. John 8:32

 

[Rainrider]

I'm showing the scripture to be true, not prove you right or wrong. If you noticed, I didn't even post this to you; it's not always about you.

And yet you show that I understand you and others like you better than you understand your self. As it stands I know just what kind of person you are, and pray you leave any thread I open alone. I am done with you as well so this will me last post to you.

 

[Cameron143]

And yet you show that I understand you and others like you better than you understand your self. As it stands I know just what kind of person you are, and pray you leave any thread I open alone. I am done with you as well so this will me last post to you.

So God has brought a bunch of misfits before you, and your response is to send them away as unworthy rather than sit and eat with them? Who exactly do you believe Jesus came for? I will have mercy, and not sacrifice.

 

[Rainrider]

OFF TOPIC
I find it odd that my last off topic post hasn't gotten any reply at all. It does say something about the interest people have in getting to know the truth of of just Who Yeshua is, how He lived, and most importantly His teachings. For any that want to take a real look at this, please don't reply the ones here simply to disrupt, by doing so all you do is encourage them to keep on.
They hold no love of truth, and only wish to twist everything they can to push a false narrative they like. One that in their minds frees them from any judgement when we face our final judgement.
Sadly they will learn to late that what they follow leads to places they most surely don't wish to go.
I will keep an eye on this thread, though I will not post anything that doesn't follow the intent of this thread. Nor will I reply to anyone that isn't in line with this study. If you don't like the what is being said, there is a way to keep from seeing it, LEAVE. We won't miss you, and we will pray for truth to find a way into your hearts.

Luk 9:5And whosoever will not receive you, when ye go out of that city, shake off the very dust from your feet for a testimony against them.

I am thinking it may time to leave in this same manner. You see once I get a thread on topic, and manage to keep it there, everyone losses interest. It's like once the truth starts to get out, they run in fear they may get some on them.

 

[Rainrider]

So God has brought a bunch of misfits before you, and your response is to send them away as unworthy rather than sit and eat with them? Who exactly do you believe Jesus came for? I will have mercy, and not sacrifice.

For the last time. You are not a misfit your purposely disruptive, bring false statements against others, and make no atempt to be kind or even tolerant of others. In short, your only reason for being here is that you love to hate. Now twist that any way you wish. Just know that where you are concerned, I have kicked the dust from my feet just as Yeshua has said for us to do.

 

[Cameron143]

For the last time. You are not a misfit your purposely disruptive, bring false statements against others, and make no atempt to be kind or even tolerant of others. In short, your only reason for being here is that you love to hate. Now twist that any way you wish. Just know that where you are concerned, I have kicked the dust from my feet just as Yeshua has said for us to do.

Wow! I sound despicable. But you actually proved my point. You are more concerned about your topic than you are about people.

Instead of telling us who Jesus is, why not show us? Or carry on ranting and kicking.

 

[Stan_the_Man]

Do we know how Yeshua lived his life?

Lot of folks don't realize Jesus had a house.

Mark 2:1,2 (NASV)
When He [Jesus] had come back to Capernaum several days afterward; it was heard that He was at home. And many were gathered together, so that there was no longer room, not even near the door; and He was speaking to them.

Mark 2:13-15
And he went forth again by the sea side; and all the multitude resorted unto him, and he taught them.
And as he passed by, he saw Levi the son of Alphaeus sitting at the receipt of custom, and said unto him, Follow me. And he arose and followed him.
And it came to pass, that, as Jesus sat at meat in His house, many publicans and sinners sat also together with Jesus and his disciples: for there were many, and they followed him.

Alphaeus was following Jesus to Jesus' house... Jesus was not following Alphaeus to Alphaeus' house.

John 1:38,39
Then Jesus turned, and saw them following, and saith unto them, What seek ye? They said unto him, Rabbi, (which is to say, being interpreted, Master,) where dwellest thou?
He saith unto them, Come and see. They came and saw where he dwelt, and abode with him that day: for it was about the tenth hour.

In Luke 9:58, and Matthew 8:20 when Jesus said He had no place to lay His head, He was obviously not in His hometown where He lived when he said this. Plus, the He had no favor among the religious jews who would have threatened those that supported Jesus so when He was out of his hometown ministering He would not have been able to rent a room for the evening in most places He visited around Israel.

Some of the disciples, apostles, had houses....

Matthew 8:14
And when Jesus was come into Peter's house, he saw his wife's mother laid, and sick of a fever.

Mark 1:29-33
And forthwith, when they were come out of the synagogue, they entered into the house of Simon and Andrew, with James and John.
But Simon's wife's mother lay sick of a fever, and anon they tell him of her.
And he came and took her by the hand, and lifted her up; and immediately the fever left her, and she ministered unto them.
And at even, when the sun did set, they brought unto him all that were diseased, and them that were possessed with devils.
And all the city was gathered together at the door.


Did Jesus own a home in Capernaum?
Many have the impression Jesus was an itinerant preacher, traveling from place to place around Galilee preaching the Gospel. However, there is a hint that early on Jesus owned His own house.

In Mark 2, we have the account of Jesus being at a house in Capernaum. So many people had gathered that a group of men were forced to cut a hole in the roof to lower their paralytic friend down to Jesus for healing.
But notice what Mark says in verse 1:

When He [Jesus] had come back to Capernaum several days afterward; it was heard that He was at home. And many were gathered together, so that there was no longer room, not even near the door; and He was speaking to them. (NASV)​

It talks about this house being Jesus’ home. By the size of the crowd it was obvious Jesus was a bit of a celebrity in the city. This verse also suggests it was not the first time people had gathered at Jesus’ house, as people were waiting for Him to return.

We have a similar mention of Jesus’ home in John 1:38-43. This passage records Jesus visit with John the Baptist where he calls Jesus the Lamb of God. Two of John’s disciples (one being Andrew, Peter’s brother) asked Jesus where He was staying.

In verse 39, Jesus took the two disciples to His house, where they stayed for the rest of the day and perhaps even over night. It was during this visit that Andrew convinced Peter — who was also living in Capernaum (Mark 1:29) — to visit Jesus at His home.

We know from the Gospels that Jesus was born in Bethlehem (Matthew 2:1) but grew up in Nazareth with His parents (Luke 4:16). Matthew adds this tidbit:

And leaving Nazareth, He [Jesus] came and settled in Capernaum which is by the sea, in the region of Zebulun and Naphtaill. (Matthew 4:13 NASV).​

At some point, Jesus moved to Capernaum. He would need a place to live, so he obtained a house or being a carpenter or more probably a stonemason (Mark 6:3) maybe even built His own. We are not told the specifics of Jesus’ living arrangements.

In his commentary, William Barclay has this to say about the Greek word “tekton” translated carpenter:

The word used for “carpenter” is [@tekton], meaning not a mere worker in wood. It means “a craftsman”, more than merely a joiner. In Homer the [@tekton] is said to build ships and houses and temples.​

Matthew notes in verse 14 that Jesus’ move to Capernaum fulfilled an Old Testament prophecy (Isaiah 9:1-6) about the Messiah coming from this region. Matthew also adds in verse 17, that it was after His move to Capernaum, that Jesus began His ministry.

It appears from a statement made later, that Jesus eventually abandoned His house and traveled around Israel preaching the Gospel:

Jesus said to him, “The foxes have holes and the birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has nowhere to lay His head.” (Matthew 8:20 NASV)​

However, Jesus’ ministry basically started off as a simple home group in Capernaum. It was here that Jesus came in contact with four of his disciples — Levi (Mathew), Peter, James and John (Mark 1:29).

Shortly after his decision to follow Christ, Matthew had a party at his home (Mark 2:14-17) where he invited many of his coworkers — fellow tax-collectors — to meet Jesus and His disciples. This was possibly a going away party for Matthew, who Luke said left everything to follow Christ.

This party at Levi’s home may have marked the transition point, when Jesus moved from a house-based ministry to a national one.

But we see several times the group returned to Capernaum, which Matthew describes as “His [Jesus] own city” (Matthew 9:1). It is generally believed they probably stayed at Peter’s house, who we know was married and had his mother-in law staying with him (Matthew 8: 5, 14).

But in the end, Jesus would curse Capernaum because of the amount of time He invested in that community and the inhabitants refusal to repent:

And you, Capernaum, will not be exalted to heaven, will you? You will descend to Hades; for if the miracles had occurred in Sodom which occurred in you, it would have remained to this day. 24 Nevertheless I say to you that it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for you.” (Matthew 11:23-24 NASV).​

 

[Nehemiah6]

Mark 2:1,2 (NASV)
When He [Jesus] had come back to Capernaum several days afterward; it was heard that He was at home. And many were gathered together, so that there was no longer room, not even near the door; and He was speaking to them

This is actually quite misleading. Here is what is in the KJB: And again he entered into Capernaum after some days; and it was noised that he was in the house. The house actually belonged to Peter and Andrew. Please note: And when Jesus was entered into Capernaum, there came unto him a centurion, beseeching him... And when Jesus was come into Peter's house, he saw his wife's mother laid, and sick of a fever. (Mt 8:5,14). Peter and his brother Andrew were actually wealthy fishermen who forsook everything to follow Jesus.

 

[Inquisitor]

I find it sad that I listed this 3 days ago and it has not been posted. Well things do get over looked, so let try once more.
In this study I do ask that we keep to the life of Yeshua, how He lived His life, what religion He followed, and what His study/teaching tools were. After all if we fail to understand this, how can we say follow His example?
The Word is clear on one thing,

Hos 4:6My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

As I have seen in every post I opened, there are some that simply wish to make sure they are heard, and any one that stands in opposition of their thinking must be talked over, belittled, and or forced out. Anything to stop their understanding from getting out. However, they have little to say about how Yeshua lived His life, or what His guiding principles were.
If this thread is approved, we will examine the Life of Yeshua, and seek to find how He walked in His life. From His teachings, and His teaching alone we can learn more than one may think. I know that what I ask now will be over looked, ignored, or otherwise pushed aside. Still I must ask. If you wish to try and derail this study, please don't post. Keep in mind we are looking the life of Yeshua, NOT PAUL. Thank you for your understanding in this simple request.

Jesus fulfilled the law in everyway and at all levels, the perfect sacrifice.

Jesus completed the law, Jesus satisfied all the law required.

We transgress the law and only learn that we are sinners by the law.

Jesus never transgressed the law or the prophets, nor even His Father's will.

We no longer follow that shadow law, we now follow the Lord and accept His gift of perfect righteousness.

Jesus is the first and last in everything.

 

[Stan_the_Man]

This is actually quite misleading. Here is what is in the KJB: And again he entered into Capernaum after some days; and it was noised that he was in the house. The house actually belonged to Peter and Andrew. Please note: And when Jesus was entered into Capernaum, there came unto him a centurion, beseeching him... And when Jesus was come into Peter's house, he saw his wife's mother laid, and sick of a fever. (Mt 8:5,14). Peter and his brother Andrew were actually wealthy fishermen who forsook everything to follow Jesus.

So, before He entered in to His ministry He worked in His family business and was so UN-successful he had no place to stay?

He was a perfect man living by the wisdom of God so I find it hard to believe He was UN-successful and homeless.

You haven't attempted to explain away Mark 2:13-15 or John 1:38,39

I find it quite amusing that religion teaches Jesus was incapable of providing for Himself.

We all have houses, but somehow they think Jesus w2as so stoopid He just couldn't hack it and was homeless living on skid row.

 

[Stan_the_Man]

This is actually quite misleading. Here is what is in the KJB: And again he entered into Capernaum after some days; and it was noised that he was in the house. The house actually belonged to Peter and Andrew. Please note: And when Jesus was entered into Capernaum, there came unto him a centurion, beseeching him... And when Jesus was come into Peter's house, he saw his wife's mother laid, and sick of a fever. (Mt 8:5,14). Peter and his brother Andrew were actually wealthy fishermen who forsook everything to follow Jesus.

Mark 2:15 (KJV)
And it came to pass, that, as Jesus sat at meat in his house, many publicans and sinners sat also together with Jesus and his disciples: for there were many, and they followed him.

John 1:38,39 (KJV)
Then Jesus turned, and saw them following, and saith unto them, What seek ye? They said unto him, Rabbi, (which is to say, being interpreted, Master,) where dwellest thou?
He saith unto them, Come and see. They came and saw where he dwelt, and abode with him that day: for it was about the tenth hour.

Mark 2:1 (KJV)
And again he entered into Capernaum after some days; and it was noised that he was in the house.
And straightway many were gathered together, insomuch that there was no room to receive them, no, not so much as about the door: and he preached the word unto them.

No mention that the house actually belonged to Peter and Andrew
(or that Peter and Andrew were gay lovers living together as some suppose)

You should not read in to scripture things it does not say.

Other Apostles had homes as well, kind like we all have homes today.

Besides, if you think Jesus was homeless - shouldn't you become homeless as well?

 

[Rainrider]

Jesus fulfilled the law in everyway and at all levels, the perfect sacrifice.

Jesus completed the law, Jesus satisfied all the law required.

We transgress the law and only learn that we are sinners by the law.

Jesus never transgressed the law or the prophets, nor even His Father's will.

We no longer follow that shadow law, we now follow the Lord and accept His gift of perfect righteousness.

Jesus is the first and last in everything.

Before I reply to this post, are you saying the law has been removed?

 

[Inquisitor]

Before I reply to this post, are you saying the law has been removed?

I am saying that Jesus fulfilled the law absolutely.

We reap the reward of that fulfillment of the law by Jesus, a perfect atonement.

We were dead in our sin before Jesus offered up the perfect sacrifice.

Dead in your sin means there is nothing you can contribute, by way of obedience to the law.

There is no righteousness in the law merely condemnation.

We receive the perfect righteousness of Jesus in gift form.

The law was a shadow and Christ is the eternal light that shone in the darkness.

 

[Rainrider]

I am saying that Jesus fulfilled the law absolutely.

We reap the reward of that fulfillment of the law by Jesus, a perfect atonement.

We were dead in our sin before Jesus offered up the perfect sacrifice.

Dead in your sin means there is nothing you can contribute, by way of obedience to the law.

There is no righteousness in the law merely condemnation.

We receive the perfect righteousness of Jesus in gift form.

The law was a shadow and Christ is the eternal light that shone in the darkness.

So is that a yes the law has been removed or a no it hasn't.