Do we stress baptism enough?
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Why not include some direct references;
Baptism is Required page;
Peter 3: 21.... whereunto even baptism doth also now save us...
John 3:5 .......Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Acts 2;38-....Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 22;16... And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
Galations 3:26...... For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
KJV Marrk 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
KJV Matthew 3:14... But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? 15. Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now, for thus it becometh us to fulfil all rightesousness. Then He suffered Him.
KJV Matthew 28:19..... Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:.
Acts 8:12-18: But when they believed Philip as he preached the things concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, both men and women were baptized.
Quote from Billy Graham that is note worthy;
....Also, to clarify I did not say remission of sin takes place at repentance. Scripture makes it clear that it occurs upon obedience to water baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus. Each is a step of faith, along with receiving the Holy Ghost, in the process of one's spiritual rebirth
.."Paul explains the doctrinal significance of what occurs when one is baptized.His explanation is found in his letter to those who had already been obedient to the command.
Paul tells the Roman Christians what actually occurred when they were/are baptized; they were baptized into His death. Being buried with Jesus into His death resulted in their sin being destroyed.
Even though Paul explains this concept, the NEW AGE RELIGION TEACHING is......... that water baptism is nothing other than a mere public display.......... And that is so far removed from the truth.
Keep in mind that Satan knows if he can continue to perpetuate that lie ...... he can keep people from entering the kingdom of God. Thus He has proven scripture which says ...in the end times there will be ...great delusions.....they are here.
Conclusion....teaching that baptism is not necessary is violation of Rev. 22;19.... And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. 20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. (Also two other books of the Bible).
Dear friend. They are very much still a faith based organization.
On their website about what they believe they state:
Repentance toward God, faith in our Lord Jesus Christ, and regeneration by the Holy Spirit are necessary to salvation https://www.salvationarmyusa.org/usn/what-we-believe/
It was started by William Booth. He was a holy man of God and an awesome street preacher. He used to take a wagon and pick up drunks sleeping on the streets who had passed out the night before from whiskey to take them to their center where they would try and preach to them and get them to receive Christ. Sometimes people would jump off the wagon before they got to the center to go try to get more whiskey because their heads hurt so bad from the hang over they were suffering. And thus the phrase "falling off the wagon" was born.
Look up some of William Booth's sermons. I think you would like them. He certainly understood salvation.
The Salvation Army has adult rehab centers that are a 6 month program that preaches Christ and the Gospel to get people free from addictions. They make money from their stores to support these centers. They staff the centers with evangelical ministers of the Gospel many of which are pastors. It is common to have these ministers from Baptist, Methodist, and Assemblies of God all in the same center working together preaching the same Gospel message and it is a beautiful example of one area where denominational ministers are working together without letting their difference get in the way. These ministers work as counselors as well. The men and women enrolled in these programs are being counseled by ministers of the Gospel telling the what the Word of God says and not secular solutions.
They are very much still Faith Based and have not moved away from their roots. There is one in Dallas that is a great example.
On their website about what they believe they state:
Repentance toward God, faith in our Lord Jesus Christ, and regeneration by the Holy Spirit are necessary to salvation https://www.salvationarmyusa.org/usn/what-we-believe/
It was started by William Booth. He was a holy man of God and an awesome street preacher. He used to take a wagon and pick up drunks sleeping on the streets who had passed out the night before from whiskey to take them to their center where they would try and preach to them and get them to receive Christ. Sometimes people would jump off the wagon before they got to the center to go try to get more whiskey because their heads hurt so bad from the hang over they were suffering. And thus the phrase "falling off the wagon" was born.
Look up some of William Booth's sermons. I think you would like them. He certainly understood salvation.
The Salvation Army has adult rehab centers that are a 6 month program that preaches Christ and the Gospel to get people free from addictions. They make money from their stores to support these centers. They staff the centers with evangelical ministers of the Gospel many of which are pastors. It is common to have these ministers from Baptist, Methodist, and Assemblies of God all in the same center working together preaching the same Gospel message and it is a beautiful example of one area where denominational ministers are working together without letting their difference get in the way. These ministers work as counselors as well. The men and women enrolled in these programs are being counseled by ministers of the Gospel telling the what the Word of God says and not secular solutions.
They are very much still Faith Based and have not moved away from their roots. There is one in Dallas that is a great example.
I'm nearly fifty-five, love shopping thrift stores and have been inside of SA many, many times. The SA has been around for as long as I can remember and not once have I ever seen anything other than the name "Salvation" that would equate the organization to Christ. The workers don't appear to be Christian . . . at all. I have never heard them reference Faith.
I appreciate the info.
I appreciate the info.
The Thrift stores are just where they sell the donated goods. Their ministry happens at the adult rehab centers. The volunteers that work at the thrift stores are usually people on probation doing community service for minor crimes. \
Salvation Army Thrift Stores is one of the community options on a list the courts provide to serve community hours.
At the stores there might be a few Salvation Army rehab program Graduates that were given jobs after they graduated and are getting paid. Maybe one who is getting paid fulltime.
The truck drivers are often graduates given jobs. Many of them will tell you about their conversion to Christ if you can catch them between loads. The stores are not the ministry or purpose of Salvation Army. It's just where they make money to support their ministry.
There are many faith based drug and alcohol residency ministries that have thrift stores to help bring in a little money. They don't bring in that much. Maybe $4000 a month unless it is some really big operation. These ministries get much more from cash donations as does the Salvation Army.
Some of these Salvation Army residency centers also do a car auction once a month. People donate cars to them and they auction them off to make money for the needs of the residency center. You can find really good deals there because they start the auctions at $200 and sometimes there are only 30 people there to bid and more than 30 cars to bid on and some of those cars only get one or two bids and sell. You can get a perfectly good used car for $500.
But the car auction is not the ministry, the thrift store is not the ministry, the adult residency program is the ministry.
Even though they are very much faith based I would still recommend Adult and Teen Challenge residency centers over Salvation Army. ATC is much more serious about keeping it about surrender to Christ and being filled with the Holy Spirit. They don't tolerate much worldliness or compromise. They have the greatest success rate of all faith based rehabs. Success rate meaning still clean and sober 10 years after graduation. They are a year long residency program and if someone is not serious about living 100 percent for Jesus they won't like it. ATC is more like a bible school, church, ministry training program than it is a rehab.
Salvation Army Thrift Stores is one of the community options on a list the courts provide to serve community hours.
At the stores there might be a few Salvation Army rehab program Graduates that were given jobs after they graduated and are getting paid. Maybe one who is getting paid fulltime.
The truck drivers are often graduates given jobs. Many of them will tell you about their conversion to Christ if you can catch them between loads. The stores are not the ministry or purpose of Salvation Army. It's just where they make money to support their ministry.
There are many faith based drug and alcohol residency ministries that have thrift stores to help bring in a little money. They don't bring in that much. Maybe $4000 a month unless it is some really big operation. These ministries get much more from cash donations as does the Salvation Army.
Some of these Salvation Army residency centers also do a car auction once a month. People donate cars to them and they auction them off to make money for the needs of the residency center. You can find really good deals there because they start the auctions at $200 and sometimes there are only 30 people there to bid and more than 30 cars to bid on and some of those cars only get one or two bids and sell. You can get a perfectly good used car for $500.
But the car auction is not the ministry, the thrift store is not the ministry, the adult residency program is the ministry.
Even though they are very much faith based I would still recommend Adult and Teen Challenge residency centers over Salvation Army. ATC is much more serious about keeping it about surrender to Christ and being filled with the Holy Spirit. They don't tolerate much worldliness or compromise. They have the greatest success rate of all faith based rehabs. Success rate meaning still clean and sober 10 years after graduation. They are a year long residency program and if someone is not serious about living 100 percent for Jesus they won't like it. ATC is more like a bible school, church, ministry training program than it is a rehab.
I appreciate all that you've written. As one who aspires to be a pastor, I'm sure that you can understand why I am amazed that in all of the decades that I've attended church, been a part of a worship team, listened to online sermons, tape sermons, CD sermons . . . why am I just now hearing about these things? It seems to me that "we" have missed an amazing opportunity to support the SA both by giving and through purchases. Then again, a part of me in NOT surprised, as I tried to rally a church behind the 2ndTimothyGroup concept and no one was interested in supporting those who are struggling. I was shocked.
Anyway, thanks again. I appreciate it.
Anyway, thanks again. I appreciate it.
I understand. I think they lump Salvation Army in the same group as United Way.
I just did a little Google search and what I said about "falling off the wagon" is supposed to have originated from a different source than the Salvation Army wagon picking up drunks. So I am probably guilty of repeating a myth that needs fact checking.
I just did a little Google search and what I said about "falling off the wagon" is supposed to have originated from a different source than the Salvation Army wagon picking up drunks. So I am probably guilty of repeating a myth that needs fact checking.
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amen before he preached the gospel they all ran to get baptized because they thought the messiah was coming , but after they rejected him it became an offense because they deemed it heresy and blasphemy to believe the things he said were true , as they also labeled him a blasphemer and deceiver
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Yeah. This. I get in so many discussions about the "requirement" of baptism. The only true requirement is salvation. Period. You accept Christ and are saved, then you obey Him because you love Him, and in obedience, you choose water baptism as an outward sign of your belief...or not. It isn't going to save you any more to be baptized and it isn't going to save you any less not to be.
The Bible tells us that faith without works is dead and baptism is a work...and so many other things as well...so if one wants to be baptized as an expression of their faith, then that is great. I am not going to question a person's salvation just because they haven't been baptized in water. I am not going to make them question their salvation just because they haven't be baptized in water. Baptism is a good thing and I do recommend one does it, but you are still saved even if you don't.
I feel like this Scripture here is a huge testament to this truth, because if it was "required" in the realm of salvation, Paul wouldn't be relieved that he wasn't doing it and we don't know if Jesus Christ ever baptized anyone and I think that would've been the biggest point. We know His disciples did baptize people, but we also don't know if all of His disciples were baptized, although we know that Christ was baptized. I think that if it were needful to be an up front and center focus, the Bible would have clearly said that all the disciples were baptized and that Jesus made sure that everyone He interacted with was baptized. But, no, Jesus is concerned with the heart and, as I said, baptism is an outward "showing" of an inward devotion...and it really doesn't affect one's salvation one way or the other, except in the realm of works and feelings...primarily. Holy Spirit descended as a dove from Heaven when Jesus was baptized, but we receive Holy Spirit when we repent and accept Christ.
The Bible tells us that faith without works is dead and baptism is a work...and so many other things as well...so if one wants to be baptized as an expression of their faith, then that is great. I am not going to question a person's salvation just because they haven't been baptized in water. I am not going to make them question their salvation just because they haven't be baptized in water. Baptism is a good thing and I do recommend one does it, but you are still saved even if you don't.
I feel like this Scripture here is a huge testament to this truth, because if it was "required" in the realm of salvation, Paul wouldn't be relieved that he wasn't doing it and we don't know if Jesus Christ ever baptized anyone and I think that would've been the biggest point. We know His disciples did baptize people, but we also don't know if all of His disciples were baptized, although we know that Christ was baptized. I think that if it were needful to be an up front and center focus, the Bible would have clearly said that all the disciples were baptized and that Jesus made sure that everyone He interacted with was baptized. But, no, Jesus is concerned with the heart and, as I said, baptism is an outward "showing" of an inward devotion...and it really doesn't affect one's salvation one way or the other, except in the realm of works and feelings...primarily. Holy Spirit descended as a dove from Heaven when Jesus was baptized, but we receive Holy Spirit when we repent and accept Christ.
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Sorry to see anyone reject God's commandments.
Please tell me what all these mean?;
Baptism is Required
Peter 3: 21.... whereunto even baptism doth also now save us...
John 3:5 .......Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Acts 2;38-....Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 22;16... And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
Galations 3:26...... For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
KJV Marrk 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
KJV Matthew 3:14... But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? 15. Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now, for thus it becometh us to fulfil all rightesousness. Then He suffered Him.
KJV Matthew 28:19..... Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:.
Acts 8:12-18: But when they believed Philip as he preached the things concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, both men and women were baptized.
Quote from Billy Graham that is note worthy;
....Also, to clarify I did not say remission of sin takes place at repentance. Scripture makes it clear that it occurs upon obedience to water baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus. Each is a step of faith, along with receiving the Holy Ghost, in the process of one's spiritual rebirth
.."Paul explains the doctrinal significance of what occurs when one is baptized.His explanation is found in his letter to those who had already been obedient to the command.
Paul tells the Roman Christians what actually occurred when they were/are baptized; they were baptized into His death. Being buried with Jesus into His death resulted in their sin being destroyed.
Even though Paul explains this concept, the NEW AGE RELIGION TEACHING is......... that water baptism is nothing other than a mere public display.......... And that is so far removed from the truth.
Keep in mind that Satan knows if he can continue to perpetuate that lie ...... he can keep people from entering the kingdom of God. Thus He has proven scripture which says ...in the end times there will be ...great delusions.....they are here.
Conclusion....teaching that baptism is not necessary is violation of Rev. 22;19.... And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. 20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. (Also two other books of the Bible).
Please tell me what all these mean?;
Baptism is Required
Peter 3: 21.... whereunto even baptism doth also now save us...
John 3:5 .......Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Acts 2;38-....Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 22;16... And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
Galations 3:26...... For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
KJV Marrk 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
KJV Matthew 3:14... But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? 15. Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now, for thus it becometh us to fulfil all rightesousness. Then He suffered Him.
KJV Matthew 28:19..... Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:.
Acts 8:12-18: But when they believed Philip as he preached the things concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, both men and women were baptized.
Quote from Billy Graham that is note worthy;
....Also, to clarify I did not say remission of sin takes place at repentance. Scripture makes it clear that it occurs upon obedience to water baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus. Each is a step of faith, along with receiving the Holy Ghost, in the process of one's spiritual rebirth
.."Paul explains the doctrinal significance of what occurs when one is baptized.His explanation is found in his letter to those who had already been obedient to the command.
Paul tells the Roman Christians what actually occurred when they were/are baptized; they were baptized into His death. Being buried with Jesus into His death resulted in their sin being destroyed.
Even though Paul explains this concept, the NEW AGE RELIGION TEACHING is......... that water baptism is nothing other than a mere public display.......... And that is so far removed from the truth.
Keep in mind that Satan knows if he can continue to perpetuate that lie ...... he can keep people from entering the kingdom of God. Thus He has proven scripture which says ...in the end times there will be ...great delusions.....they are here.
Conclusion....teaching that baptism is not necessary is violation of Rev. 22;19.... And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. 20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. (Also two other books of the Bible).