Do you know for certain you are saved and will spend eternity with God

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Are you certain you have come to salvation in Christ and will spend eternity with God


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Sep 16, 2014
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Jesus Christ was born of woman here on earth. He came into existence when God his Father conceived him.
It will help you knowing with certainty you will spend eternity with God when it is clear who Jesus is.

John 1:1-4 (KJV)
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In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] The same was in the beginning with God.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

Here's the best revealed identity of the "Word".

John 1:14 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.



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Miri

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The system wouldn't let me rep this post!
But, REP REP REP! Beautiful sentiment, Miri.
Let me know if you want to pray together, or if
someone pm's you and wants to share encouragement.

Having said that, Miri, you or anyone may pm me
anytime for any reason...prayer, or q + a, or even give
me a piece of your mind, that's fine too, whatever...
please don't hesitate to pm. :)
Thanks guys :eek:
 

posthuman

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Jul 31, 2013
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Trust does not mean one will go to heaven does it?

what kind of trust would that be? trusting Him to faithfully do and to be what in particular?
what hope do you suppose we're talking about?
what hope and trust do the scriptures speak of --



No one who hopes in you will ever be put to shame,
but shame will come on those who are treacherous without cause.

(Psalm 25:3)


But now, Lord, what do I look for?
My hope is in you.

(Psalm 39:7)

I know whom I have believed,
and am convinced that he is able
to guard what I have entrusted to him until that day.

(2 Timothy 1:12)


why was Isaiah righteous to say the same?

I will wait for the LORD, who is hiding his face from the descendants of Jacob.
I will put my trust in him.

(Isaiah 8:17)



 
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Palmoni37

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A question that has troubled me for years, some verses seem to imply we can miss out, others that assure
predestined certainty. A thought that helps me.... the accepted use of 'saved' has become confused
with the final resurrected perfected glory with Him.

If I believe now, have faith now, trust in Him now then I am 'saved' from anxiety, worry and troubles in the immediacy
of Christ now. Through human weakness I can lose my 'sense of salvation', when faith and belief falters, salvation is conditional. My promised predestined hope is assured, never lost. The early church seems to preach resurrection rather than salvation.

He will have success, He restores and saves. The actual tense of the verb 'is saving', present active rather than future. we all want deliverance, but to be delivered we need to be in a place where we need it, His method is separation followed by reunion, the prodigal son who lost his sense of salvation and welcomed home.

Yours, and His
 
Sep 16, 2014
1,666
100
48
A question that has troubled me for years, some verses seem to imply we can miss out, others that assure
predestined certainty. A thought that helps me.... the accepted use of 'saved' has become confused
with the final resurrected perfected glory with Him.

If I believe now, have faith now, trust in Him now then I am 'saved' from anxiety, worry and troubles in the immediacy
of Christ now. Through human weakness I can lose my 'sense of salvation', when faith and belief falters, salvation is conditional. My promised predestined hope is assured, never lost. The early church seems to preach resurrection rather than salvation.

He will have success, He restores and saves. The actual tense of the verb 'is saving', present active rather than future. we all want deliverance, but to be delivered we need to be in a place where we need it, His method is separation followed by reunion, the prodigal son who lost his sense of salvation and welcomed home.

Yours, and His
Few Christians read the whole Bible even once in life. It's like buying a new car and not enjoying the nice features due to never reading the Owner's Manual. "Wonder what that button does? Oops, it's pouring rain, I've just opened the sunroof, and I don't know how to close it!" So you have to call the dealership for advice, getting it one inch of rain later.

Given the great abundance of scriptures that seem to assure in one passage, appear to threaten in another, there should be no wonder over lifelong confusion and uncertainty. It's no less hazardous than studying a math course, but skipping 2/3 of the textbook chapters, assuming their content and thinking little of their potential value. Emerging at the end we hope we're an expert on the subject.

An amazing improvement to a believer's grasp on his or her proper comprehension of the Bible's message would be evident if everyone would commit to read the Bible through in one month. It takes 65-100 days just devoting an hour a day to it. That's just a little over 2-3 months at an hour a day. Enter in prayerfully, having no distraction around you. I read it through every year over about a three week period, ignoring TV, cutting way back on internet.

Read not to master any part initially, but to get the big picture first. Once finished, effective Bible study can begin. I began every college course that way by quickly reading the textbooks straight through, better prepared to comprehend what I'd be facing the upcoming semester. My mind was already mulling over the subject, ready for the details. A course in speed reading helped a lot.

Focus on one whole New Testament at least a chapter a day from then on, every day of your life. I recommend reading through the NT it in about 20 hours tops after reading through both testaments. Sticking to one chapter a day isn't best since one sermon can span multiple chapters. The chapter numbers were added to the Bible to make it easier to locate passages. Romans 7 ought to be read with 8 to get the right doctrine. But to fully understand those, all of that book is necessary. To learn how perfectly Paul's gospel presents that of Jesus, one needs all four synoptic gospels (the first 4 in the NT). To realize all the apostles preached the same gospel and agreed together, all the books in the NT should be familiar.

Once joined to the mind of Jesus and those early fathers, your mind becomes settled, there remains no more troubling mystery. From then on walk the walk, submitting to all the simple self tests in the scriptures. Boldly look at the scriptures like studying your face in a mirror. It's your face, so accept it, improve what you can. Face up to God's word with confidence and bold determination.
 
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Few Christians read the whole Bible even once in life. It's like buying a new car and not enjoying the nice features due to never reading the Owner's Manual. "Wonder what that button does? Oops, it's pouring rain, I've just opened the sunroof, and I don't know how to close it!" So you have to call the dealership for advice, getting it one inch of rain later.

Given the great abundance of scriptures that seem to assure in one passage, appear to threaten in another, there should be no wonder over lifelong confusion and uncertainty. It's no less hazardous than studying a math course, but skipping 2/3 of the textbook chapters, assuming their content and thinking little of their potential value. Emerging at the end we hope we're an expert on the subject.

An amazing improvement to a believer's grasp on his or her proper comprehension of the Bible's message would be evident if everyone would commit to read the Bible through in one month. It takes 65-100 days just devoting an hour a day to it. That's just a little over 2-3 months at an hour a day. Enter in prayerfully, having no distraction around you. I read it through every year over about a three week period, ignoring TV, cutting way back on internet.

Read not to master any part initially, but to get the big picture first. Once finished, effective Bible study can begin. I began every college course that way by quickly reading the textbooks straight through, better prepared to comprehend what I'd be facing the upcoming semester. My mind was already mulling over the subject, ready for the details. A course in speed reading helped a lot.

Focus on one whole New Testament at least a chapter a day from then on, every day of your life. I recommend reading through the NT it in about 20 hours tops after reading through both testaments. Sticking to one chapter a day isn't best since one sermon can span multiple chapters. The chapter numbers were added to the Bible to make it easier to locate passages. Romans 7 ought to be read with 8 to get the right doctrine. But to fully understand those, all of that book is necessary. To learn how perfectly Paul's gospel presents that of Jesus, one needs all four synoptic gospels (the first 4 in the NT). To realize all the apostles preached the same gospel and agreed together, all the books in the NT should be familiar.

Once joined to the mind of Jesus and those early fathers, your mind becomes settled, there remains no more troubling mystery. From then on walk the walk, submitting to all the simple self tests in the scriptures. Boldly look at the scriptures like studying your face in a mirror. It's your face, so accept it, improve what you can. Face up to God's word with confidence and bold determination.
Reading the bible will never bring one to know God, it only lets one know about God. Only God can bring one to know God, and that is why God gave us his Holy Spirit to teach us.

(1 John 2: 27) “But you have not lost the anointing that he gave you, and you do not need anyone to teach you; the anointing he gave teaches you everything: you are anointed with truth, not with a lie, and as it has taught you, so you must stay in him.”

John says in the above scripture that one must stay in Jesus. Notice in the following scripture what it means to stay in Jesus.

(1 John 2:6) “But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did”

Now read where scripture tells us that only God can bring one to know God.


(1 Corinthians 2:10-16) “These are the very things that God has revealed to us through the Spirit, for the Spirit reaches the depts. Of everything, even the depths of God.”
 
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You do know Johnlove the body that the Son of God used to walk the earth did NOT have an earthly father? It was a body from the Holy Spirit that the Son of God used. Not a body from an earthly father.

But that is beside the point. All those who deny that the Jesus that walked on the Earth was God will spend Eternity in the Lake of Fire.

We were Predestined, we where chosen, to accept Jesus as our Lord and Savior. We are the chosen ones. Also not everybody who says Lord, Lord have accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior.

There are millions of people who know about Jesus but have never accepted Jesus and i truly believe you are one of them.

If Jesus was a mere human and not God, then his blood could not wash us clean of our sins. But since He died die on the cross for our sins proves Jesus was God and not a mere human like you teach.

In other words how can a person who is not God cleanse us from all our sins by his blood? Only God can do that which does prove Jesus was God.