Do you observe the Sabbath?

[Phoneman-777]

Exodus 24:12
Then the Lord said to Moses, "Come up to Me on the Mountain and be there: and I will give you tablets of stone, and the law of commandments which I have written that you may teach them".

The 10 commandments were bundled into the Mosaic law. This law the Israelites did not possess nor keep for 430 years in Egypt.

Further, Exodus 31:13, Eze 20:12, 20 makes it clear that this Sabbath was:

-a sign of the covenant made to ISRAEL.
-a sign given to remind THEM that it is the Lord who sanctifies them and set them apart to be holy
-a sign to remind THEM that "I am the Lord your God"

The Ten Commandments didn't begin to exist at Sinai, they were merely CODIFIED at Sinai for a people who'd just come out of the capital of occultism and needed to be taught what was already established law:

Cain knew better than to kill,
Abraham knew better than to lie,
Rachel knew better than to steal,
Jacob knew better than to covet,
Joseph knew better than to commit adultery,

and the Sabbath goes all the way back to the Garden of Eden and will be kept for all eternity, and if you hate the idea of keeping it now and forever in heaven, I suggest you soberly consider the only other alternative.

 

[JohnDB]

Well known by who? Those like you who've fallen into the Left Ditch of License? It's no secret Christianity has been overrun with adult children who whine and cry about how hard it is to be faithful to Jesus, though Scripture says doing so is "not grievous", so their opinion of the Peshitta would only shock us if they weren't such.

You know full well the ancient text is correctly translated, so are you going to stop your rebellion against Jesus or not?

One has to wonder about a person who comes to deliberately stir up strife because the majority of Christians believe that Saturday Worship is works that have no benefit for salvation.

We have no self righteousness that leads to salvation other than Jesus's righteousness which is imputed to us by faith in his sacrifice.

And you have yet to address the Hebrews passage dealing with this issue either.

You are repeating yourself again and again with no new information about the New Covenant.

 

[Phoneman-777]

-you believe that "keeping the 10 Commandments" and "keeping the 7th day Sabbath" are required for salvation.

No

-all Christians must maintain these protocols to some kind of more or less rigorous standard

No

-Christians are in constant jeopardy of losing their salvation if they do not adequately maintain these "eternal laws"

No

-salvation is never ultimately assured

No

-salvation is by necessity predicated upon a certain level of performance.

No

Do I have this right?

No

I see the OSAS License to Sin crowd is not only plagued with spiritual blindness, but also temporal hearing loss.

 

[TheLearner]

I am not going to keep up

 

[Phoneman-777]

One has to wonder about a person who comes to deliberately stir up strife because the majority of Christians believe that Saturday Worship is works that have no benefit for salvation.

The Pharisees didn't like it when Jesus came and upset their apple cart of false religion either.

We have no self righteousness that leads to salvation other than Jesus's righteousness which is imputed to us by faith in his sacrifice.

Fully agree - no strife at all.

And you have yet to address the Hebrews passage dealing with this issue either.

I did address it. I showed the ancient Bible MSS says it's as much the Christian's duty to keep the Sabbath holy as a sign we rest in Christ as it is our duty to keep the rest of the Ten Commandments.

If we love God, we'll keep the first four, and if we love our neighbor, the last six.

You are repeating yourself again and again with no new information about the New Covenant.

I've answered every question posed to me aobut the NC. Do you have one?

 

[posthuman]

Luk_13:27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.

who does He say this to?

people who point at their works.

 

[posthuman]

I am not going to keep up

me either

but i will keep on living, even if i die

 

[posthuman]

Well known by who?

1. Herbert G May (October 1958). "Review of The Holy Bible from Ancient Eastern Manuscripts, Containing the Old and New Testaments Translated from the Peshitta, The Authorized Bible of the Church of the East". Journal of Bible and Religion. 26 (4): 326–327. JSTOR 1460599.]
2. ^ P.A.H. de Boer (April 1958). "Review of The Holy Bible from Ancient Eastern Manuscripts by G. M. Lamsa". Vetus Testamentum. 8 (2): 223. doi:10.2307/1516092. JSTOR 1516092.

 

[posthuman]

like you who've fallen into the Left Ditch of License?

why all the immediate baseless false accusations?

 

[posthuman]

You know full well the ancient text is correctly translated

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath:​

Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.​

(Colossians 2:16-17 KJV)​

 

[posthuman]

be faithful to Jesus

​

Have faith in God​

(Mark 11:22)​

​

do you obey this commandment?

 

[posthuman]

My preaching is clear; your babbling about "bees" is confusing.

i am not surprised you are confused.
let me restate it:

why don't bees stop working every 7th day?

do bees have sin?

bees are living souls ((Genesis 1:20, 1:21, 1:24, 1:30, 2:7, 2:19, 9:4, 9:5, 9:10, 9:12, 9:15, 9:16, 9:20, 12:5, 12:13, 14:21, etc etc etc))

do bees go to hell because they don't ceremonially cease from activity?

look at Romans 8:19-23 before you rashly blurt out a foolish answer.
go outside next saturday and watch a bee.
God made that bee. it has a soul. it is resurrected on the last day. it lives forever.

think.

 

[posthuman]

Bro, I've proved you wrong so often, it's only when you start agreeing that I'll have to stop to ensure I'm still on the right track.

you have never read Hebrews 4?

Again He designates a certain day, saying in David, “Today"​

(Hebrews 4:7)​

 

[posthuman]

Bro

do you confess that Galatians is scripture?

 

[cv5]

No
No
No
No
No
No

I see the OSAS License to Sin crowd is not only plagued with spiritual blindness, but also temporal hearing loss.

I think you are plagued with a forked tongue......

 

[posthuman]

I've proved you wrong so often

i do not recall you even once disproving any argument i have ever given you.
look at the post you wrote this response to, for example.
i gave you scripture, and you replied with lies and false accusations.

does that count as you 'proving me wrong' ??
nope.
it counts as you having no answer but vitriol.

still think you're sinless?
those who endure -- what do they endure in? ceremonial cessation of activity?

 

[cv5]

The Ten Commandments didn't begin to exist at Sinai, they were merely CODIFIED at Sinai for a people who'd just come out of the capital of occultism and needed to be taught what was already established law:

Cain knew better than to kill,
Abraham knew better than to lie,
Rachel knew better than to steal,
Jacob knew better than to covet,
Joseph knew better than to commit adultery,

and the Sabbath goes all the way back to the Garden of Eden and will be kept for all eternity, and if you hate the idea of keeping it now and forever in heaven, I suggest you soberly consider the only other alternative.

Please demonstrate, from Acts to Revelation, proof texts supporting your theory that keeping the 10 Commandments & the 7th day Sabbath is a crucial, abject, unassailable necessity for the Church of Jesus Christ to follow, further that these specific necessities are a REQUIRED DOCTRINAL TEACHING to be passed down through the ages.

 

[Phoneman-777]

who does He say this to?

people who point at their works.

Another stellar asinine statement.

He says it to those who think they're saved but refuse to stop working iniquity aka breaking His commandments aka the OSAS License to Sin crowd.

 

[Phoneman-777]

1. Herbert G May (October 1958). "Review of The Holy Bible from Ancient Eastern Manuscripts, Containing the Old and New Testaments Translated from the Peshitta, The Authorized Bible of the Church of the East". Journal of Bible and Religion. 26 (4): 326–327. JSTOR 1460599.]
2. ^ P.A.H. de Boer (April 1958). "Review of The Holy Bible from Ancient Eastern Manuscripts by G. M. Lamsa". Vetus Testamentum. 8 (2): 223. doi:10.2307/1516092. JSTOR 1516092.

I'm honest enough to admit the Critical Text gets it right sometimes, even though it's a piece of garbage NT Greek MSS.

But honesty isn't something you can afford when it comes to the truth that other translations of the Peshitta say the very same thing about the Sabbath being part of the Christian church.

 

[Phoneman-777]

why all the immediate baseless false accusations?

Baseless? By your own mouth, you admit you carry a OSAS License to Sin by refusing to answer "yes" to the following question:

Can a grace-saved person return the free gift of salvation and be lost?