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Well, I got another one of those RR Crossing thingies on one of my posts. Makes me giggle a bit, not quite an LOL, but maybe only by degrees.
I mean, if you shoot a load of buckshot into a bunch of wolves, how do you know which one you hit? By how loud it yelps!
I mean, if you shoot a load of buckshot into a bunch of wolves, how do you know which one you hit? By how loud it yelps!
(methink, he doth protesteth TOO much)
Ok, BBB, I'll try and explain what is you are either not understanding, concerning God foreknowing, and then God "placing" one's whom He's foreknown, at any "certain" time and place, during the course of this current earth and heaven age. Which is what the Bible calls Predestinates. Or perhaps, what it is you are just willingly refusing to understand. And, how a man, or any mans' ego (pride), causes him/her to "say" and "do" some pretty strange things! (jealousy, comes to mind!....a quite awful and destructive "rabbit hole" it can become!)
One who has been foreknown, and then "Deployed", aka Predestinated, comes INTO this "life in the flesh" (born of a woman) ALREADY "Born again of the Spirit!"
I know, this befuddles "the NATURAL man!" Yet, is true, nonetheless.
It is pretty naive on a "believer's" part in the thinking, that God ISN'T AWARE concerning "the natural man", and, its traditions, and the impact of them, when He deploys/sends/places/PREDESTINATES, His "elect", IN the natural man's thinking, that God would not "deploy" one of these in such an "environment", where the one "placed by God", would not, or should not, (this is going to be "rather meaty", soooooo?) comply TO the "rules and regulations", regarding the THE FAITH, in the manner and custom, of that "particular time", and/or "geographical location", during any particular point in "history", past/present/future, where He "places, puts," His elect!
Unlike the history written in the O.T., where "SOME", yet not ALL, upon being "born into a family", were noted by a parent, that they were different from "other" children born to parents. But, due to "the natural man" "effect", of dulling "Spiritual eyes and ears", this is not (least, not that I've seen) noticed these days! Which is why Catholics, and I dunno the when, they incorporated "infant baptisms", but, can tell ya, that's the why they did! So, what did they "know?" As opposed to the "Judaeo/Christian" incorporated practice of "THE AGE OF ACCOUNTABILITY", or "Bar-Mitzvah?" So it is concerning predestination. Although the natural man, thinks those proclaiming predestination preach, or teach, they do not NEED to "comply?" Just "consider" the source. Because, it is "folly" to the natural man! Just as jealousy, is "flipped", to "arrogance", and worse, in the natural mans' eyes and ears!
Elect, being known of by the Father, before they ever came to Christ, in these last days, are trying to help Christ's sheep! Usually, "leading by example." In some cases? By their striving in condemnation's concerning "blind shepherds", and teachings of "anti (instead of)-Christ", and "anti (instead of)-God!" That people post on Christian forums.
Do you not think that Paul was not foreknown, nor predestined? He was! Although, he spoke of it in the 3rd person, so as not to seem boasting. He was!
Ok, BBB, I'll try and explain what is you are either not understanding, concerning God foreknowing, and then God "placing" one's whom He's foreknown, at any "certain" time and place, during the course of this current earth and heaven age. Which is what the Bible calls Predestinates. Or perhaps, what it is you are just willingly refusing to understand. And, how a man, or any mans' ego (pride), causes him/her to "say" and "do" some pretty strange things! (jealousy, comes to mind!....a quite awful and destructive "rabbit hole" it can become!)
One who has been foreknown, and then "Deployed", aka Predestinated, comes INTO this "life in the flesh" (born of a woman) ALREADY "Born again of the Spirit!"
I know, this befuddles "the NATURAL man!" Yet, is true, nonetheless.
It is pretty naive on a "believer's" part in the thinking, that God ISN'T AWARE concerning "the natural man", and, its traditions, and the impact of them, when He deploys/sends/places/PREDESTINATES, His "elect", IN the natural man's thinking, that God would not "deploy" one of these in such an "environment", where the one "placed by God", would not, or should not, (this is going to be "rather meaty", soooooo?) comply TO the "rules and regulations", regarding the THE FAITH, in the manner and custom, of that "particular time", and/or "geographical location", during any particular point in "history", past/present/future, where He "places, puts," His elect!
Unlike the history written in the O.T., where "SOME", yet not ALL, upon being "born into a family", were noted by a parent, that they were different from "other" children born to parents. But, due to "the natural man" "effect", of dulling "Spiritual eyes and ears", this is not (least, not that I've seen) noticed these days! Which is why Catholics, and I dunno the when, they incorporated "infant baptisms", but, can tell ya, that's the why they did! So, what did they "know?" As opposed to the "Judaeo/Christian" incorporated practice of "THE AGE OF ACCOUNTABILITY", or "Bar-Mitzvah?" So it is concerning predestination. Although the natural man, thinks those proclaiming predestination preach, or teach, they do not NEED to "comply?" Just "consider" the source. Because, it is "folly" to the natural man! Just as jealousy, is "flipped", to "arrogance", and worse, in the natural mans' eyes and ears!
Elect, being known of by the Father, before they ever came to Christ, in these last days, are trying to help Christ's sheep! Usually, "leading by example." In some cases? By their striving in condemnation's concerning "blind shepherds", and teachings of "anti (instead of)-Christ", and "anti (instead of)-God!" That people post on Christian forums.
Do you not think that Paul was not foreknown, nor predestined? He was! Although, he spoke of it in the 3rd person, so as not to seem boasting. He was!
Whereas Jesus was praying His "high priestly prayer" in John 17 (that is, on behalf of all believers... both the ones in His immediate presence [at that time and place], as well as the future ones [from that time and place]),
… Paul states in 1Timothy 2 [blb] -
A Call to Prayer
1 First of all, therefore, I exhort entreaties, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings, to be made on behalf of all men 2 for kings and all those being in authority, so that we may lead a tranquil and quiet life in all godliness and dignity. 3 This is good and acceptable before God our Savior, 4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6 the One having given Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony in their own proper times, 7 in regard to which I was appointed a herald and an apostle—I am speaking the truth; I do not lie—a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth.
… Paul states in 1Timothy 2 [blb] -
A Call to Prayer
1 First of all, therefore, I exhort entreaties, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings, to be made on behalf of all men 2 for kings and all those being in authority, so that we may lead a tranquil and quiet life in all godliness and dignity. 3 This is good and acceptable before God our Savior, 4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6 the One having given Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony in their own proper times, 7 in regard to which I was appointed a herald and an apostle—I am speaking the truth; I do not lie—a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth.
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God is both all knowing and soveriegn. To think that God is anything short is not respective to the true nature of God.
Will we ever fully understand how to reconcile freewill and soveriegn omniscients? Not this side of eternity. It's fun to speculate, be careful not to under estimate or assign lesser status to the all in all God of the Universe.
Will we ever fully understand how to reconcile freewill and soveriegn omniscients? Not this side of eternity. It's fun to speculate, be careful not to under estimate or assign lesser status to the all in all God of the Universe.
(methink, he doth protesteth TOO much)
Ok, BBB, I'll try and explain what is you are either not understanding, concerning God foreknowing, and then God "placing" one's whom He's foreknown, at any "certain" time and place, during the course of this current earth and heaven age. Which is what the Bible calls Predestinates. Or perhaps, what it is you are just willingly refusing to understand. And, how a man, or any mans' ego (pride), causes him/her to "say" and "do" some pretty strange things! (jealousy, comes to mind!....a quite awful and destructive "rabbit hole" it can become!)
One who has been foreknown, and then "Deployed", aka Predestinated, comes INTO this "life in the flesh" (born of a woman) ALREADY "Born again of the Spirit!"
I know, this befuddles "the NATURAL man!" Yet, is true, nonetheless.
It is pretty naive on a "believer's" part in the thinking, that God ISN'T AWARE concerning "the natural man", and, its traditions, and the impact of them, when He deploys/sends/places/PREDESTINATES, His "elect", IN the natural man's thinking, that God would not "deploy" one of these in such an "environment", where the one "placed by God", would not, or should not, (this is going to be "rather meaty", soooooo?) comply TO the "rules and regulations", regarding the THE FAITH, in the manner and custom, of that "particular time", and/or "geographical location", during any particular point in "history", past/present/future, where He "places, puts," His elect!
Unlike the history written in the O.T., where "SOME", yet not ALL, upon being "born into a family", were noted by a parent, that they were different from "other" children born to parents. But, due to "the natural man" "effect", of dulling "Spiritual eyes and ears", this is not (least, not that I've seen) noticed these days! Which is why Catholics, and I dunno the when, they incorporated "infant baptisms", but, can tell ya, that's the why they did! So, what did they "know?" As opposed to the "Judaeo/Christian" incorporated practice of "THE AGE OF ACCOUNTABILITY", or "Bar-Mitzvah?" So it is concerning predestination. Although the natural man, thinks those proclaiming predestination preach, or teach, they do not NEED to "comply?" Just "consider" the source. Because, it is "folly" to the natural man! Just as jealousy, is "flipped", to "arrogance", and worse, in the natural mans' eyes and ears!
Elect, being known of by the Father, before they ever came to Christ, in these last days, are trying to help Christ's sheep! Usually, "leading by example." In some cases? By their striving in condemnation's concerning "blind shepherds", and teachings of "anti (instead of)-Christ", and "anti (instead of)-God!" That people post on Christian forums.
Do you not think that Paul was not foreknown, nor predestined? He was! Although, he spoke of it in the 3rd person, so as not to seem boasting. He was!
Ok, BBB, I'll try and explain what is you are either not understanding, concerning God foreknowing, and then God "placing" one's whom He's foreknown, at any "certain" time and place, during the course of this current earth and heaven age. Which is what the Bible calls Predestinates. Or perhaps, what it is you are just willingly refusing to understand. And, how a man, or any mans' ego (pride), causes him/her to "say" and "do" some pretty strange things! (jealousy, comes to mind!....a quite awful and destructive "rabbit hole" it can become!)
One who has been foreknown, and then "Deployed", aka Predestinated, comes INTO this "life in the flesh" (born of a woman) ALREADY "Born again of the Spirit!"
I know, this befuddles "the NATURAL man!" Yet, is true, nonetheless.
It is pretty naive on a "believer's" part in the thinking, that God ISN'T AWARE concerning "the natural man", and, its traditions, and the impact of them, when He deploys/sends/places/PREDESTINATES, His "elect", IN the natural man's thinking, that God would not "deploy" one of these in such an "environment", where the one "placed by God", would not, or should not, (this is going to be "rather meaty", soooooo?) comply TO the "rules and regulations", regarding the THE FAITH, in the manner and custom, of that "particular time", and/or "geographical location", during any particular point in "history", past/present/future, where He "places, puts," His elect!
Unlike the history written in the O.T., where "SOME", yet not ALL, upon being "born into a family", were noted by a parent, that they were different from "other" children born to parents. But, due to "the natural man" "effect", of dulling "Spiritual eyes and ears", this is not (least, not that I've seen) noticed these days! Which is why Catholics, and I dunno the when, they incorporated "infant baptisms", but, can tell ya, that's the why they did! So, what did they "know?" As opposed to the "Judaeo/Christian" incorporated practice of "THE AGE OF ACCOUNTABILITY", or "Bar-Mitzvah?" So it is concerning predestination. Although the natural man, thinks those proclaiming predestination preach, or teach, they do not NEED to "comply?" Just "consider" the source. Because, it is "folly" to the natural man! Just as jealousy, is "flipped", to "arrogance", and worse, in the natural mans' eyes and ears!
Elect, being known of by the Father, before they ever came to Christ, in these last days, are trying to help Christ's sheep! Usually, "leading by example." In some cases? By their striving in condemnation's concerning "blind shepherds", and teachings of "anti (instead of)-Christ", and "anti (instead of)-God!" That people post on Christian forums.
Do you not think that Paul was not foreknown, nor predestined? He was! Although, he spoke of it in the 3rd person, so as not to seem boasting. He was!
