Do you think transgenders go to heaven?
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I'm going to give you an example of what I mean. As a young man my uncle got in to drugs. He fell in with a bad crowd and no preaching, pleading or telling him he was in sin helped. But he had a praying mother. When everyone gave up on him, she prayed.
One night they were having a revival speaker in their church. The old preacher took a chair and sat it at the altar and said "someone is going to be saved here tonight". Now that was faith. My uncle got with his friends and they took drugs that night. Someone laced his drugs with a harder drug. He was out of his mind. He screamed and begged his friends to take him to the church but they didn't want to get in trouble. He was so bad they figured they would drop him off and take off. My uncle recounted it from here. " I was screaming, "I'm in hell, I'm in hell" and I saw the chair at the altar. I made a dash for it and the pastor said, " You are not in hell, you are in church and you are safe!" My grandfather rushed to that chair and that night my uncle was saved. Let God do His job, our job is to "catch em", let the Holy Spirit convict and God clean him. <3
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Completely agree. And I am no one to judge anybody.
I don't know enough about the gentleman you interacted with, but the fella in this thread insisted that not only was him living as woman NOT a sin, but also that God MADE him that way!
Again, if he wasn't claiming to be a born again child of God, he definitely must be dealt with differently. But God says through Paul THIS:
1 Corinthians 5:9-13
New King James Version
Immorality Must Be Judged
9 I wrote to you in my epistle not to [a]keep company with sexually immoral people. 10 Yet I certainly did not mean with the sexually immoral people of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. 11 But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner—not even to eat with such a person.
12 For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? 13 But those who are outside God judges. Therefore “put away from yourselves the evil person.”
I don't know enough about the gentleman you interacted with, but the fella in this thread insisted that not only was him living as woman NOT a sin, but also that God MADE him that way!
Again, if he wasn't claiming to be a born again child of God, he definitely must be dealt with differently. But God says through Paul THIS:
1 Corinthians 5:9-13
New King James Version
Immorality Must Be Judged
9 I wrote to you in my epistle not to [a]keep company with sexually immoral people. 10 Yet I certainly did not mean with the sexually immoral people of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. 11 But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner—not even to eat with such a person.
12 For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? 13 But those who are outside God judges. Therefore “put away from yourselves the evil person.”
He’s a funny dude. I call him “Da Terminator” now cos in many other posts he says that he doesn’t care what others think of him.
He’s like an emotionless machine. Yet, here he cares about what you think apparently.
Many have pointed out his contradictions in the past but he can’t process them.
Da Terminator.
He’s like an emotionless machine. Yet, here he cares about what you think apparently.
Many have pointed out his contradictions in the past but he can’t process them.
Da Terminator.
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I'm just gonna say this and move on...
Many, MANY of you here need to learn how to discern a sincere "seeker" versus a troll, who is here only to stir the pot and create confusion and disagreement.
There are several red flags with posters that will show the true nature of their postings.
We could have a discussion about those flags, but we probably need to start a thread about them.
This one was a troll.
Many, MANY of you here need to learn how to discern a sincere "seeker" versus a troll, who is here only to stir the pot and create confusion and disagreement.
There are several red flags with posters that will show the true nature of their postings.
We could have a discussion about those flags, but we probably need to start a thread about them.
This one was a troll.
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I don't know Jeanate that well and nuy from what I have seen which granted as hard as it is to read I was not able to to find the first post made by them but ue seems genuine in heart at least about seeking God. If he sees living as a transgender as not being a sin that doesn't mean he isn't saved plenty of saved people gave beliefs that will take time to learn from.
And I am wondering if perhaps it has something to do with the same kind of thing you have with people who are attracted to the same sex.
The argument of that of whether it is a choice or not and how they apparently choose to live in sin well my argument to that is can you choose to be attacted to the same sex?
No ever says yes and think about the struggle people like that or Jeanate have to go through, can you imagine being born with a stuggle of identity like that? I can only imagine if it were me I would be so confused wonder what is wrong with me and just to be told how I am a sinner because of something I have to deal that I never asked for.
You can tell them all day everyday that they are living in sin you can show them all the scripture you want they have had it all before heard it all before been attacked by it all before your not going to reach them by pointing out their flaws
You have to know how handle different people differently, you can't just speak to everyone in the same way hoping to reach them for someone like this it takes understanding and words to show that that that pointing out their flaws is not what we are about
Belive me there are many who struggle with such things and yet keep seeking after God and if you want to lead them to the truth well you lead them don't you? You don't point your finger to their sins your not going to get them to listen to you like that you lead them to the truth by being a shining example of God's spirit love patience and wisdom.
When they see something different than the normal christain treatment that is when they start being able to be reached
And I am wondering if perhaps it has something to do with the same kind of thing you have with people who are attracted to the same sex.
The argument of that of whether it is a choice or not and how they apparently choose to live in sin well my argument to that is can you choose to be attacted to the same sex?
No ever says yes and think about the struggle people like that or Jeanate have to go through, can you imagine being born with a stuggle of identity like that? I can only imagine if it were me I would be so confused wonder what is wrong with me and just to be told how I am a sinner because of something I have to deal that I never asked for.
You can tell them all day everyday that they are living in sin you can show them all the scripture you want they have had it all before heard it all before been attacked by it all before your not going to reach them by pointing out their flaws
You have to know how handle different people differently, you can't just speak to everyone in the same way hoping to reach them for someone like this it takes understanding and words to show that that that pointing out their flaws is not what we are about
Belive me there are many who struggle with such things and yet keep seeking after God and if you want to lead them to the truth well you lead them don't you? You don't point your finger to their sins your not going to get them to listen to you like that you lead them to the truth by being a shining example of God's spirit love patience and wisdom.
When they see something different than the normal christain treatment that is when they start being able to be reached
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Well, that's quite a different tone than you've been taking. I may say things that are unpopular; but if I have something to say to someone I say it to their face. What I don't do is slink around spreading malicious gossip and encouraging others ignore certain people. I was surprised when I looked at your profile and saw you're male. Honestly I thought you were probably a teenage girl.
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Yeah i'm going to have to stop you right there. He said it wasn't a sin to him because he was born that way if you were born with homosexual attraction which you have no choice in as that is an actual genetic trait but you don't act on it is it having those desires that makes it or a sin or acting on it?
I believe this is what he was meaning and it makes sense if you understand that it isn't a choice to be born with something like that so your assumption without considering all this and considering he has already said he hopes God can forgive him says otherwise.
I believe this is what he was meaning and it makes sense if you understand that it isn't a choice to be born with something like that so your assumption without considering all this and considering he has already said he hopes God can forgive him says otherwise.
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There will always be hypocrites in the church. I was in evangelism and our job is to point people to Christ. In personal interaction with people I always say "Christ is the example, that is who we follow. Not the preacher/priest, not other Christians, human beings will always, always let us down." I know some wonderful Christian people, but I don't follow them, I follow Christ, He is the guide even if everyone else fails.
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