Do you wish all human can be saved?

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Journeyman

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Knowing the words of the Bible is not the same thing as facing people who rejected our lord today.
Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.

Paul's prayer was that his countrymen might be saved, because they weren't already saved. Rom.10:1
 

Nebuchadnezzer

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Whom the Lord love, he chastens. Does he chasten (divinely punish) all people?

Psalms 73:5, They are not in trouble as other men; neither are they "PLAGUED" (Greek meaning=divinely punished) like other men.
Sorry for my attitude. Yes I think he does.

Peace to you!
 

ForestGreenCook

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Same as Barnes does:

2 Timothy 2:13
If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful - This cannot mean that, if we live in sin, he will certainly save us, as if he had made any promise to the elect, or formed any purpose that he would save them; whatever might be their conduct; because:
(1) He had just said that if we deny him he will deny us;
Eph 2:5 says that when we are born again, we are in Christ and Christ is in us. Believing is a product of already having been born again.
 

ForestGreenCook

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Sorry for my attitude. Yes I think he does.

Peace to you!
Thank you, I appreciate that. I apologise for being blunt in my defense of the way that I believe the scriptures to teach. I don't really want to offend anyone, but sometimes think that I do unintentionally.
 

Nebuchadnezzer

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Thank you, I appreciate that. I apologise for being blunt in my defense of the way that I believe the scriptures to teach. I don't really want to offend anyone, but sometimes think that I do unintentionally.
Amen!
 
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Your last part is more interesting. I like interesting souls.
You think God has three choices,
1) Let justice prevail and all humans go to hell
2) all humans get saved
3) some humans get saved.
and you think If He doesn't save anyone, then He would be without mercy. If He saves everyone, then the perfect justice which He demands in His kingdom would be jeopardized.

Then god pls allow me to say so,
Adam and Eve obeyed their own will to eat the tree of knowledge of good and evil.right?
Why didn't God force them only to eat the tree of life?so god is not a dictator,right?
Is it a dictator if God only saves some people and does not save others and Suppose God punishes the unsaved by force of power,why not force them to believe?If this counts as the perfect justice which He demands in His kingdom would be jeopardized.

The only solution is for Him to save all.
(sorry, I am just kidding.)

What I really mean is that sin does harm to people,what if all people will forgive all others sin,as a believer should forgive others who sin to you,right?
forgiveness is justice in god's kingdom.
in other words,
So for those who don't believe in God.Why should justice be done for them? They're all dead anyway,unsaved anyway. the justice of forgiveness should not be done for them,even any justice in god's kingdom.
Their grievances cannot be vindicated ,and they can't sue others for their crimes,when they sue others will falling from sky.
If this counts as the perfect justice which He demands in His kingdom would be jeopardized.

The only solution is for creator to save all.
Adam and Eve each had a free will. He did not create robots. The tree of life requires divine approval for which you have to qualify. They did not meet this qualification because God knew beforehand that they were going to disobey. You have to repent in order to be forgiven. Only the Father grants the repentance that is deep enough and sincere enough for us to turn to Him. He in turn will provide the vehicle or the means which will bring the truth of Jesus Christ to us and fill us with the Holy Spirit. When we repent and trust in Jesus, we will receive the Holy Spirit which fills our hearts with love, which is the bond of perfection.
John 1: 12-13 But as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the children of God, even (that is) to them that believe on His name; Who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Here John is describing the born again believer who is born again by the will of the Father and not by men's will or merit. The Father and Jesus are not discreet beings like we are ( in a body). When we receive God's Holy Spirit, we are identified with the Savior and become part of His body and are considered by the Father as His children just as Jesus is the Son of God. The Church established by God as a whole is thought of as the bride of Christ because just as the bride and groom become one in marriage, christians become one with the Father and Son because we possess the same Spirit.
 
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I am not seeing the scriptural disharmony that you are suggesting exists here. While Ezekiel 33:11 may have been contextually directed at a specific audience, it does not remain untrue for other groups. 2 Peter 3:9 clearly states that God's will is that none should perish and that all should come to repentance.

If we are harmonizing the scriptures then there are numerous references to God not being a respector of persons regardless of someone's status as a Jew or Gentile. Let's start with this one:

Romans 2:5-10
5But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; 6Who will render to every man according to his deeds: 7To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: 8But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, 9Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; 10But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: 11For there is no respect of persons with God.
In 2 Peter 3: 9 Peter is not talking about all mankind. He is talking about all the people in the timeline of human history (past, present, and future) that the Father has chosen for salvation. He is not willing that any of them should perish , but that all should come to repentance before the day of wrath.
 

soberxp

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Adam and Eve each had a free will. He did not create robots. The tree of life requires divine approval for which you have to qualify. They did not meet this qualification because God knew beforehand that they were going to disobey. You have to repent in order to be forgiven. Only the Father grants the repentance that is deep enough and sincere enough for us to turn to Him. He in turn will provide the vehicle or the means which will bring the truth of Jesus Christ to us and fill us with the Holy Spirit. When we repent and trust in Jesus, we will receive the Holy Spirit which fills our hearts with love, which is the bond of perfection.
John 1: 12-13 But as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the children of God, even (that is) to them that believe on His name; Who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Here John is describing the born again believer who is born again by the will of the Father and not by men's will or merit. The Father and Jesus are not discreet beings like we are ( in a body). When we receive God's Holy Spirit, we are identified with the Savior and become part of His body and are considered by the Father as His children just as Jesus is the Son of God. The Church established by God as a whole is thought of as the bride of Christ because just as the bride and groom become one in marriage, christians become one with the Father and Son because we possess the same Spirit.
Taoism, Tao follows nature,let nature take its course.
To observe nature, nature only pays. What it gets is to return the dust to the dust.

go through birth to death.

Survivor which Three out of ten.

dead which Three out of ten.

so birth of man, move out of death,which also Three out of ten.

what The reason, With its thick life.

A good survivor,No tiger on the road,A soldier is not allowed being hurt.

Ferocious cannot use its horn,The tiger can't use its paws,A soldier can't use his weapon.

so ask yourself, Why can't the land of death hold survivors.
 

TMS

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Pls answer yes or no.then quiet scripture.and your understanding about bible.
Matthew 5:37
King James Version
37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.

Does God want everyone to be saved?

Does the Bible require loving your God with all your heart?

Do you wish all human can be saved?

If the Scripture says someone can't be saved So why someone had to be born in The world(It's not a question that has to be answered)

Does the Bible tell you to love your enemies? (Why does the Bible tell us to love your enemies?)


If someone quotes the Bible to tell you that some people can't be saved, why should still preach the Bible to everyone?(It's not a question that has to be answered)
Yes, God wants all to be saved. God is not willing that any should perish. 2 Pet_3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Salvation is all or nothing. there is no half saved people, no almost saved people you are completely saved or not saved at all.
So your heart is all for God or you are not saved.
Matt 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
When Probation closes, Rev 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
If your heart is not in the right place it will be for ever lost, But if you love God with all your heart it will be for ever that way.

i do wish all humans could be saved but i also respect the fact that God wants to put away sin for eternity so i understand why God will not allow sin to come with the sinful people into His kingdom. Rev_21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

Everyone can be saved by giving themselves to God, Surrender of self. But everyone has a choice. We can choose who we want to serve. God is judge and is fair, but if we choose sin before or over God and will not give it up, God can not allow sin into His kingdom because it causes death and pain.

Jos 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.
 

Lanolin

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I do wish all humans can be saved.
If the way is narrow, it will be a very loooong line. That is why God gives us patience.

Though God knows everyones hearts who believes and who does not.
Hearts are tricky though and deceitful, I dont think we ourselves can fully know sometimes as hearts can become hard. Though I do believe a broken heart God can mend, and nobody is beyond repair of Gods love.
 

p_rehbein

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Regarding the Title:

God desires that all men be saved. So why should we not also?
 

Lisamn

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Pls answer yes or no.then quiet scripture.and your understanding about bible.
Matthew 5:37
King James Version
37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.

Does God want everyone to be saved?

Does the Bible require loving your God with all your heart?

Do you wish all human can be saved?

If the Scripture says someone can't be saved So why someone had to be born in The world(It's not a question that has to be answered)

Does the Bible tell you to love your enemies? (Why does the Bible tell us to love your enemies?)


If someone quotes the Bible to tell you that some people can't be saved, why should still preach the Bible to everyone?(It's not a question that has to be answered)
God wants everyone to be saved...

‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:9‬ ‭
The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.

John 3:16
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whomsoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life.

Jesus does tell us to love the Lord with all your heart...

Matthew‬ ‭22:37‬ ‭
And He said to him, ‘YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.’​

Yes...I hope all can be saved..but I know that‘s not going to happen.
Matthew‬ ‭7:13‬ ‭
Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it.
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Jesus tells us..
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭5:44-45‬ ‭
But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
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Luke‬ ‭6:27-28‬ ‭
But I say to you who hear, love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you.


‭‭Whether people are saved or not...
Matthew‬ ‭24:14‬ ‭
This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come.
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Blade

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:) some questions you asked.. I PRAY we all know what He said in His word.

For God to loved the world. Behold the lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world.

And about the road wide narrow.. Christ said I come to give you life and give it more abundantly. Read what was said before and after. I do see how some take this verse yet to me its always about this life here. And we see it every day.. most it would see take the wide the easy road.. few take the narrow.

See in Rev it talks about people from every nation "After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude that no one could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and languages, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands,"

Hello.. those are people from this little blue ball.. IN heaven in white robes. So NO not a few will be saved.. one can count a few.. He said.. GOD said.. a great multitude that no one could number. He can not lie.

Man says few will be saved.. this is how we know many will be.
 
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Your last part is more interesting. I like interesting souls.
You think God has three choices,
1) Let justice prevail and all humans go to hell
2) all humans get saved
3) some humans get saved.
and you think If He doesn't save anyone, then He would be without mercy. If He saves everyone, then the perfect justice which He demands in His kingdom would be jeopardized.

Then god pls allow me to say so,
Adam and Eve obeyed their own will to eat the tree of knowledge of good and evil.right?
Why didn't God force them only to eat the tree of life?so god is not a dictator,right?
Is it a dictator if God only saves some people and does not save others and Suppose God punishes the unsaved by force of power,why not force them to believe?If this counts as the perfect justice which He demands in His kingdom would be jeopardized.

The only solution is for Him to save all.
(sorry, I am just kidding.)

What I really mean is that sin does harm to people,what if all people will forgive all others sin,as a believer should forgive others who sin to you,right?
forgiveness is justice in god's kingdom.
in other words,
So for those who don't believe in God.Why should justice be done for them? They're all dead anyway,unsaved anyway. the justice of forgiveness should not be done for them,even any justice in god's kingdom.
Their grievances cannot be vindicated ,and they can't sue others for their crimes,when they sue others will falling from sky.
If this counts as the perfect justice which He demands in His kingdom would be jeopardized.

The only solution is for creator to save all.
Romans 4: 15 "Because the law worketh wrath; for where no law is, there is no transgression. You obey the Spirit of the law when all your actions are done with love.
Adam and Eve were created sinless and with a free will. In the Father's kingdom there is perfect justice and mercy. Creatures with a free will can choose to do God's will and be rewarded or go against God's will and be punished. God let them know that the punishment for eating the fruit of a particular ordinary tree was the knowledge of good and evil which results in death. This knowledge is our conscience and we are all born with it. This conscience that we are born with lets us know right from wrong and we are all under the law. The tendency of mankind is to put what benefits them first even at the expense of someone else, so we are all sinners ( even before the commandments given to Moses).

Perfect justice demands that all be condemned and as an example to other beings of what happens when His laws are violated. If He saves everyone, then there would be lawlessness in heaven since other beings would be tempted to join in. The Father in His mercy decides to save a few throughout the history of mankind.

In order to save the few, the Father sends Jesus ( whose parents are Mary and the Holy Spirit of the Father) to erase the saved's sins. Jesus, full of the Father's Spirit, was perfect in obedience even to the point of death. Jesus allowed Himself to die so that life is owed Him by Father. This life is sprinkled to those that are predestined by the Father. They are the ones that turn to God with repentance and put their trust in the Father's plan to erase their sins by believing that Jesus is life. Still something else has to be done in order to allow humans in heaven. The law can be summarized in two commandments: Love God and Love everyone else. We can't do it on our own, so the Father glorifies Jesus with His Spirit who in turn distributes it to each believer who then become the body of Christ. The Father and Jesus fill the believer's heart with the degree of love necessary to enter heaven as well as knowledge and direction.

You obey the Spirit of the law when all your actions are done with love.