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Therapon. I have downloaded your free study guide and find something wrong from the very beginning.
"It can now be proven that the beasts in Revelation, the
Two Witnesses, the Seven Seals, and the Seven Trumpets
are not events in our future! In fact, all have been fulfilled
during the Christian era and we are just moments away
from King Jesus appearing in the sky! Difficult realities to
accept, perhaps, but true just the same."
Revelations does have a section that is for the "apostles and churches of the day. That is the first 3 chapters. However, in chapter 4 we leave their time and move to the future. The bible is clear.
4 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
please forgive the large, bold writing and loud colors. I did want to emphasize but maybe not quite to that extent.
"It can now be proven that the beasts in Revelation, the
Two Witnesses, the Seven Seals, and the Seven Trumpets
are not events in our future! In fact, all have been fulfilled
during the Christian era and we are just moments away
from King Jesus appearing in the sky! Difficult realities to
accept, perhaps, but true just the same."
Revelations does have a section that is for the "apostles and churches of the day. That is the first 3 chapters. However, in chapter 4 we leave their time and move to the future. The bible is clear.
4 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
please forgive the large, bold writing and loud colors. I did want to emphasize but maybe not quite to that extent.
Therapon, the evidence of the mark of the beast.. "the number of a man in his hand or in his forehead, which cannot buy or sell save he has the mark is prevalent today. Along with all of these signs of the times in our days.
RFID Chip Required in Obama's Health Care Bill - YouTube that shows the government stating why we need the RFID chip.
Walmart Introduces '666 Obamacare RFID Chip Machine' - YouTube and that shows the RFID scanner at the obamacare station in wal mart.
that's current time brother.
RFID Chip Required in Obama's Health Care Bill - YouTube that shows the government stating why we need the RFID chip.
Walmart Introduces '666 Obamacare RFID Chip Machine' - YouTube and that shows the RFID scanner at the obamacare station in wal mart.
that's current time brother.
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Guys, I'm not going to debate one doctrinal point at a time, frankly because I'm really tired of disproving the views of this or that savant, or whatever essay you find and run up the flagpole to see if I take umbrage, LOL.
The quickest way for us to have a discussion that makes sense is for you to read "The False Prophet," or "Islam in the End Times," on Bible Prophecy - Ellis Skolfield (the're free downloads) and show me what's wrong with them. They're short so they won't tax your mental CPUs too much or cause you to run out of cognitive RAM. <smile>. Otherwise we're just in a binary loop over a doctrine your computer is locked out of.
The quickest way for us to have a discussion that makes sense is for you to read "The False Prophet," or "Islam in the End Times," on Bible Prophecy - Ellis Skolfield (the're free downloads) and show me what's wrong with them. They're short so they won't tax your mental CPUs too much or cause you to run out of cognitive RAM. <smile>. Otherwise we're just in a binary loop over a doctrine your computer is locked out of.
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Are you talking about futility?
That's an important aspect. God moves us in different ways and on his watch. It's only important that we live our lives as best as we can so we he shows up we're ready for his message and guidance. I think doctrine is a good way to spend minutes, or gardening, picking daisies..
God reaches all hearts, we are blessed to watch it happen some times.
That's an important aspect. God moves us in different ways and on his watch. It's only important that we live our lives as best as we can so we he shows up we're ready for his message and guidance. I think doctrine is a good way to spend minutes, or gardening, picking daisies..
God reaches all hearts, we are blessed to watch it happen some times.
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But somehow you found the energy to post here that you reject what I posted even though what I posted is true.
It's disingenuous to criticize and then refuse to defend your criticism.
And, this "my way or the highway" approach of yours in which you lock into your doctrine to such an extent that you won't talk to anyone outside of your own doctrinal position except to criticize them and then not defend your criticism simply falls short.
Let me try it my hand at that: Your books are false but I refuse to discuss them with you until you read my reading material. <-- That's what your doing.
What I posted is accurate. As far as I'm concerned, if the position you invented (though you say you discovered it) doesn't align with what I posted then you're in error.
Now what?
It's disingenuous to criticize and then refuse to defend your criticism.
And, this "my way or the highway" approach of yours in which you lock into your doctrine to such an extent that you won't talk to anyone outside of your own doctrinal position except to criticize them and then not defend your criticism simply falls short.
Let me try it my hand at that: Your books are false but I refuse to discuss them with you until you read my reading material. <-- That's what your doing.
What I posted is accurate. As far as I'm concerned, if the position you invented (though you say you discovered it) doesn't align with what I posted then you're in error.
Now what?
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To answer his question, YES we DO learn from doctrinal truth and YES the truth we learn does impact our lives.
And to go further, lots of things reach people's hearts that are NOT from God.
It's not OK to compromise God's truth to reach people's hearts. It's one thing to put God's truth in language people can understand such as missionaries explaining to island natives who have never seen snow that God can cleanse their sin to be as white as the inside of a coconut and it's another to compromise God's Word to achieve numerical results.
To some extent, the latter approach is what got us into this lukewarm falling away last day scenario in the first place. Compromise doesn't inspire people to greatness, though it does make people feel good about not changing themselves to the point that it builds crystal cathedrals and fills pews.
And to go further, lots of things reach people's hearts that are NOT from God.
It's not OK to compromise God's truth to reach people's hearts. It's one thing to put God's truth in language people can understand such as missionaries explaining to island natives who have never seen snow that God can cleanse their sin to be as white as the inside of a coconut and it's another to compromise God's Word to achieve numerical results.
To some extent, the latter approach is what got us into this lukewarm falling away last day scenario in the first place. Compromise doesn't inspire people to greatness, though it does make people feel good about not changing themselves to the point that it builds crystal cathedrals and fills pews.
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With all due respect, brother, I didn't reject your post, I just didn't answer it because after Bible prophecy opened, some of my basic beliefs changed and it would've taken hours to explain why biblically.
Look at what is happening around us today. There are 60,000,000 Muslims in Europe now, with less than 3% of Europeans still clinging to the faith. Over 1,000,000 Muslims live in London and there have been over 3000 honor killings in that city during the last couple of years. In the United States, it is estimated that there are now between 6,000,000 and 9,000,000 Muslims, mamy of them radical, and the mainland churches are losing thousands of members every month. Our Constitution has been abandoned, we have an Arab Muslim in the White House and sharia law is now being enforced in some cities.
Revelation 1:6 and 5:10 declares that we, the church, are the spiritual Kings and Priests of the Christian era, but from the above, it is apparent that we haven't been doing much ruling of late, have we. Western civilization and its churches are falling down around our ears.
Don't you get it? The church is missing something or doing something wrong. Our people, both saved and unsaved, are so tired of worn-out traditions, that they go in one ear and out the other without even slowing down to see if anyone's home.
Something needs to be done to bring the church back to life, but what? Could a new opening of God's word be it? Well, we can now prove with certainty, that all of Daniel and Revelation (with the exception of verses about the return of the Lord and the eternal kingdom of God) were fulfilled by 1967 A.D.. That's not guesswork theology, it is 100% provable, but will we read a book proving it!
No, but it woke me up spiritually and it's now awakening brethren around the world to the fact that we are just moments away from King Jesus standing in the sky, not just before an imaginary great tribulation or millennium, but at the threshold of the eternal kingdom of God.
To me, preparing the brethren for that momentous event is priority #1.
Look at what is happening around us today. There are 60,000,000 Muslims in Europe now, with less than 3% of Europeans still clinging to the faith. Over 1,000,000 Muslims live in London and there have been over 3000 honor killings in that city during the last couple of years. In the United States, it is estimated that there are now between 6,000,000 and 9,000,000 Muslims, mamy of them radical, and the mainland churches are losing thousands of members every month. Our Constitution has been abandoned, we have an Arab Muslim in the White House and sharia law is now being enforced in some cities.
Revelation 1:6 and 5:10 declares that we, the church, are the spiritual Kings and Priests of the Christian era, but from the above, it is apparent that we haven't been doing much ruling of late, have we. Western civilization and its churches are falling down around our ears.
Don't you get it? The church is missing something or doing something wrong. Our people, both saved and unsaved, are so tired of worn-out traditions, that they go in one ear and out the other without even slowing down to see if anyone's home.
Something needs to be done to bring the church back to life, but what? Could a new opening of God's word be it? Well, we can now prove with certainty, that all of Daniel and Revelation (with the exception of verses about the return of the Lord and the eternal kingdom of God) were fulfilled by 1967 A.D.. That's not guesswork theology, it is 100% provable, but will we read a book proving it!
No, but it woke me up spiritually and it's now awakening brethren around the world to the fact that we are just moments away from King Jesus standing in the sky, not just before an imaginary great tribulation or millennium, but at the threshold of the eternal kingdom of God.
To me, preparing the brethren for that momentous event is priority #1.
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I live in Southern Utah, and although LDS is the major religious group in my state, we do have some fundamental Bible believing churches. My husband and I joined all of them over a period of 8 years seeking a place where we could increase our faith and obey God's mandate to be 'fishers of men' ... well it was not to be ... the churches are no more than social clubs where the members lift each other up instead of the Lord Jesus. So to answer your question, no at least in my town, they don't teach the truth anymore. Thank you for your message and all your messages they are truly noteworthy.
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Why would you ask him such an egregious question? Has he indicated any such thing or are you simply trolling in a very disrespectful way?
I like humor as much as the next person but this is a Christian forum and that question is analogous to inferring allegiance with Satan. It's very uncool to say this to a Christian.
I believe you're just fooling about. But, you know, there's a million other jokes besides this one. Find one of them. Geesh.
I like humor as much as the next person but this is a Christian forum and that question is analogous to inferring allegiance with Satan. It's very uncool to say this to a Christian.
I believe you're just fooling about. But, you know, there's a million other jokes besides this one. Find one of them. Geesh.
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Not all of them. <smile> Some posts get the "cancel" button, sending them off into oblivion.
Sadly, teaching an uncompromising message isn't received very well, which makes a true church almost impossible to find, not just in Utah, but everywhere. "Happy, happy, happy, we'll all be raptured out" seems to be the usual mantra. Two months ago I was asked to host a Bible prophecy seminar in a mid-sized church in another state. The first night, the church was half full, by Wednesday it was almost empty. People just can't accept that the last decisions they'll ever make on this earth, are based on nothing but end-time fables.
Sadly, teaching an uncompromising message isn't received very well, which makes a true church almost impossible to find, not just in Utah, but everywhere. "Happy, happy, happy, we'll all be raptured out" seems to be the usual mantra. Two months ago I was asked to host a Bible prophecy seminar in a mid-sized church in another state. The first night, the church was half full, by Wednesday it was almost empty. People just can't accept that the last decisions they'll ever make on this earth, are based on nothing but end-time fables.