Doctrine's Jesus Hates: Please Respond!

[Fencepost]

In the letters to the seven churches we find that Jesus hates the doctrine of balaam and the nicolaitians?

Doctrine of Balaam- The Pergamean Church Age - 7

Doctrine of Nicolaitans- The Doctrine of the Nicolaitans

To get you started: we need to discuss the ramifications of these two doctrines on the world as a whole, as a community, as a believer.

 

[NitzWalsh]

In the letters to the seven churches we find that Jesus hates the doctrine of balaam and the nicolaitians?

Doctrine of Balaam- The Pergamean Church Age - 7

Doctrine of Nicolaitans- The Doctrine of the Nicolaitans

To get you started: we need to discuss the ramifications of these two doctrines on the world as a whole, as a community, as a believer.

The Doctrine of Balaam is the practice of fornication and of eating things sacrificed to idols.
The Doctrine of Nicolaitans is that once you are saved you're free to do whatever you want.

At least that's what I gleaned from those and other websites, there's probably a bit more, but that's good enough for me for now.

So yeah, you can see a lot of people today that claim to be Christian and follow the Doctrine of Nicolaitans, ramifications being you have a lot of fake Christians out there that set a bad example and turn other people off Christianity, or make people think, "oh, but he does it, he's a Christian, so I can too."

 

[Fencepost]

I agree have noticed the same problem in my walk. Thank you for responding.

 

[AnandaHya]

The Doctrine of Balaam is the practice of fornication and of eating things sacrificed to idols.
The Doctrine of Nicolaitans is that once you are saved you're free to do whatever you want.

At least that's what I gleaned from those and other websites, there's probably a bit more, but that's good enough for me for now.

So yeah, you can see a lot of people today that claim to be Christian and follow the Doctrine of Nicolaitans, ramifications being you have a lot of fake Christians out there that set a bad example and turn other people off Christianity, or make people think, "oh, but he does it, he's a Christian, so I can too."

haven't read the articles. tag them and get back when I have a chance.

but if the Nicolaitans teach a lictencious doctrine and Balaam teaches doublemindedness and adultery we have these Bible verses to combat both..

James 2

14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your[d] works, and I will show you my faith by my[e] works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?[f] 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”[g]And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

saved by Grace (made dead to sin), Justified by Works (made alive again by walking and abiding in Christ)


James 4:4
Adulterers and adulteresses! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.


you can't have two masters you have to make a choice: to Obey GOD or to obey Sin.

 

[Scotth1960]

In the letters to the seven churches we find that Jesus hates the doctrine of balaam and the nicolaitians?

Doctrine of Balaam- The Pergamean Church Age - 7

Doctrine of Nicolaitans- The Doctrine of the Nicolaitans

To get you started: we need to discuss the ramifications of these two doctrines on the world as a whole, as a community, as a believer.

Friends,

Doctrines Jesus Hates

1. Filioque (Semi-Sabellianism)

2. Papism (Roman Catholicism)

3. Protestantism (Lutheranism, Calvinism, etc.)

4. Monophysitism

5. Nestorianism

6. Arianism

7. Sabellianism

8. Gnosticism

9. Mormonism

10. All other false doctrines

In Erie Scott R. Harrington

 

[Strangelove]

Friends,

Doctrines Jesus Hates

1. Filioque (Semi-Sabellianism)

2. Papism (Roman Catholicism)

3. Protestantism (Lutheranism, Calvinism, etc.)

4. Monophysitism

5. Nestorianism

6. Arianism

7. Sabellianism

8. Gnosticism

9. Mormonism

10. All other false doctrines

In Erie Scott R. Harrington

11. Idolatry

12. Authoritarian priestly structure

13. Consulting familiar spirits

14. Praying in public to be seen of men

15. Vain repetitions in prayer.

16. Wearing silly big hats.

 

[Scotth1960]

11. Idolatry

12. Authoritarian priestly structure

13. Consulting familiar spirits

14. Praying in public to be seen of men

15. Vain repetitions in prayer.

16. Wearing silly big hats.

Friend,

17. Pretending to be a Hollywood movie star, Peter Sellers!

18. Pretending someone's hats are silly.

19. False accusations against the Church.

20. Contradicting oneself: It's not by faith alone; it's by faith alone!

Scott R. Harrington

 

[Strangelove]

Friend,

17. Pretending to be a Hollywood movie star, Peter Sellers!

18. Pretending someone's hats are silly.

19. False accusations against the Church.

20. Contradicting oneself: It's not by faith alone; it's by faith alone!

Scott R. Harrington

Proof the accusations against the EOC are true:

LINK :::: Eastern Orthodoxy is not Talmud Pharisaism (Mishnaism). (it is)

 

[Fencepost]

<gives everyone some refreshing water>

 

[damombomb]

Nicolatanes, also pertains to if you be good you,ll get a cookie, per say, instead of not by might ,not by power, but by his spirit sayeth the Lord
Baalam is practice from way back in old bible days where they worshipped false idols continually,instead of the living God

 

[Digital_Angel_316]

In the letters to the seven churches we find that Jesus hates the doctrine of balaam and the nicolaitians?

Doctrine of Balaam- The Pergamean Church Age - 7

Doctrine of Nicolaitans- The Doctrine of the Nicolaitans

To get you started: we need to discuss the ramifications of these two doctrines on the world as a whole, as a community, as a believer.

Good stuff Fencepost!

One Ramification to Consider:

* Will the Talmud and Noahidic laws stop the Idolatry and Paganism that
the Jews are purveyors of today, and the churches are all too willing
participants in? How many Christmas Trees in the White house and in
Government Squares, cut down, nailed in place, decorated with balls and
tinsel and gar land? How many in Churches?
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Baal is more than 'just' fornication. It is IDOLATRY that is a part of the FERTILITY and
HUMAN SACRIFICE System. Any form of idolatry that leads a person away from truth and
towards ID and EGO. There is a thread on "WHAT IS BAAL WORSHIP TODAY" (link below).

Please note also that the Tolerance of Jezebel *(which happens to be from the prolonged
practice of Baal worship) was also severely rebuked. As I know them, the other rebukes
from the letters to the 7 Churches are listed below, along with what the churches were
counseled to do, and the Warnings of Judgment for continuance / failure to repent:

[FONT=Arial, Arial, sans-serif]other REBUKES / Warnings to the 7 Churches:[/FONT]
* [FONT=Arial, Arial, sans-serif]Abandoned first love [/FONT]
* [FONT=Arial, Arial, sans-serif]Tolerates Jezebel Won't repent
[/FONT]* [FONT=Arial, Arial, sans-serif]Works imperfect Seems alive but dead [/FONT]
* [FONT=Arial, Arial, sans-serif]Lukewarm, Poor, Blind and Naked

[/FONT]* [FONT=Arial, Arial, sans-serif]The Counsel to the churches was - to REPENT


and the Judgment Warnings were SEVERE
[/FONT]* [FONT=Arial, Arial, sans-serif]I will remove candlestick [/FONT]
* [FONT=Arial, Arial, sans-serif]I will make war[/FONT]
* [FONT=Arial, Arial, sans-serif]Sickbed, Great Tribulation, Death[/FONT]
* [FONT=Arial, Arial, sans-serif]I will come as a thief [/FONT]
* [FONT=Arial, Arial, sans-serif]I will spew thee out of my mouth

WHAT IS BAAL WORSHIP TODAY?
Link -->> http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/28861-what-baal-worship-today.html

[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Arial, sans-serif]IDENTIFYING THE SPIRIT OF JEZEBEL
[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Arial, sans-serif]Link -->>[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Arial, sans-serif]http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/27586-identifying-spirit-jezebel.html

[/FONT]

 

[Fencepost]

thx for links.

 

[AnandaHya]

In the letters to the seven churches we find that Jesus hates the doctrine of balaam and the nicolaitians?

Doctrine of Balaam- The Pergamean Church Age - 7
Doctrine of Nicolaitans- The Doctrine of the Nicolaitans

To get you started: we need to discuss the ramifications of these two doctrines on the world as a whole, as a community, as a believer.

Do you want to first discuss the misuse of scriptue and logic in these articles?

"They are not millennialists. They have their millennium right here. The pope is reigning right now and God is reigning in him. So when He comes according to them, it has to be when the new heavens and the earth are prepared. But they are wrong. That pope is the head of the false church, and there is going to be a millennium, but while that is going on he won't be in it. He will be somewhere else. " -from the first article....

first JESUS is reigning NOW in Heaven. Acts talks about how GOD builds up the church and there are so many other things I could say but I'll just start with those two basics.

just stating they are wrong and we are right has no weight unless SCRIPTURE and the HOLY SPIRIT can support it.

 

[AnandaHya]

"It is this author's belief that the "Nicolaitan heresy" never truly died. It still exists in the church today just as much as it did in the early church ... if not more! The belief among some in the Body of Christ that they are free in Christ to engage in sinful practices, that they can successfully serve two masters, that they can acceptably compromise with the world and still be "Christians in good standing," has never really left us! And such compromisers still attempt to twist God's Word to try and justify their sinful practices. And, sadly, we, in the church, still too often continue to tolerate them in our midst. In Christianity there can be NO compromise with the world about us, regardless of what sacrifices one may be called upon to make! The message to the early church by our Lord applies just as much today as it did in the first century .... for the danger is just as great! "- from second article

I like his conclusion haven't had time to read in depth the body of it but like this article more then the first one, though the danger of when people speak against the lictencious doctrine is they go to an extreme legalistic heresy instead of sticking to God's words and His ways.

have to go ttyl hugs Fence

 

[Digital_Angel_316]

"It is this author's belief that the "Nicolaitan heresy" never truly died. It still exists in the church today just as much as it did in the early church ... if not more! The belief among some in the Body of Christ that they are free in Christ to engage in sinful practices, that they can successfully serve two masters, that they can acceptably compromise with the world and still be "Christians in good standing," has never really left us! And such compromisers still attempt to twist God's Word to try and justify their sinful practices. And, sadly, we, in the church, still too often continue to tolerate them in our midst. In Christianity there can be NO compromise with the world about us, regardless of what sacrifices one may be called upon to make! The message to the early church by our Lord applies just as much today as it did in the first century .... for the danger is just as great! "- from second article

I like his conclusion haven't had time to read in depth the body of it but like this article more then the first one, though the danger of when people speak against the lictencious doctrine is they go to an extreme legalistic heresy instead of sticking to God's words and His ways.

have to go ttyl hugs Fence

That's the fallacy of:

Imputed Righteousness + Grace == Absolution
​

It is why Imputed Righteousness is a concept and JUSTIFICATION is a Doctrine.

Calvinists hate that idea of Justification, Spurgeon preached Imputed Righteousness,
MacArthur teaches Justification for they are -- ASHAMED OF THE GOSPEL.

 

[AnandaHya]

That's the fallacy of:

Imputed Righteousness + Grace == Absolution
​

It is why Imputed Righteousness is a concept and JUSTIFICATION is a Doctrine.

Calvinists hate that idea of Justification, Spurgeon preached Imputed Righteousness,
MacArthur teaches Justification for they are -- ASHAMED OF THE GOSPEL.

I have not read Calvin, heard only excerpts from MacArthur, but know that Spurgeon teaches more then Just Imputed Righteouness...

""Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone."&#8212;James 2:17.

What James does mean, however, is this, no doubt, in brief and short, that while faith saves, it is faith of a certain kind. No man is saved by persuading himself that he is saved; nobody is saved by believing Jesus Christ died for him. That may be, or may not be, true in the sense in which he understands it. In a certain sense Christ died for all men, but since it is evident that many men are lost, Christ's dying for all men is not at all a ground upon which any man may hope to be saved. Christ died for some men in another sense, in a peculiar and special sense. No man has a right to believe that Christ peculiarly and specially died for him until he has an evidence of it in casting himself upon Christ, and trusting in Jesus, and bringing forth suitable works to evince the reality of his faith.

The faith that saves is not a historical faith, not a faith that simply believes a creed and certain facts: I have no doubt devils are very orthodox; I do not know which church they belong to, though there are some in all churches; there was one in Christ's Church when he was on earth, for he said one was filled with devils; and there are some in all churches. Devils believe all the facts of revelation. I do not believe they have a doubt; they have suffered too much from the hand of God to doubt his existence! They have felt too much the terror of his wrath to doubt the righteousness of his government. They are stern believers, but they are not saved; and such a faith, if it be in us, will not, cannot, save us, but will remain to all intents and purposes a dead, inoperative faith. It is a faith which produces works which saves us; the works do not save us; but a faith which does not produce works is a faith that will only deceive, and cannot lead us into heaven. Now this evening we shall first speak a few words upon:&#8212;

I. WHAT KIND OF WORKS THEY ARE WHICH ARE NECESSARY TO PROVE OUR FAITH IF IT BE A SAVING FAITH.

The works which are absolutely necessary are, in brief, these: First, there must be fruits meet for repentance, works of repentance. It is wrong to tell a man he must repent before he may trust Christ, but it is right to tell him that, having trusted Christ, it is not possible for him to remain impenitent."-Spurgeon

Fruitless Faith

boxes and labels so often do not fit those people try to place others in.

 

[Digital_Angel_316]

I have not read Calvin, heard only excerpts from MacArthur, but know that Spurgeon teaches more then Just Imputed Righteouness...

""Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone."—James 2:17.

What James does mean, however, is this, no doubt, in brief and short, that while faith saves, it is faith of a certain kind. No man is saved by persuading himself that he is saved; nobody is saved by believing Jesus Christ died for him. That may be, or may not be, true in the sense in which he understands it. In a certain sense Christ died for all men, but since it is evident that many men are lost, Christ's dying for all men is not at all a ground upon which any man may hope to be saved. Christ died for some men in another sense, in a peculiar and special sense. No man has a right to believe that Christ peculiarly and specially died for him until he has an evidence of it in casting himself upon Christ, and trusting in Jesus, and bringing forth suitable works to evince the reality of his faith.

The faith that saves is not a historical faith, not a faith that simply believes a creed and certain facts: I have no doubt devils are very orthodox; I do not know which church they belong to, though there are some in all churches; there was one in Christ's Church when he was on earth, for he said one was filled with devils; and there are some in all churches. Devils believe all the facts of revelation. I do not believe they have a doubt; they have suffered too much from the hand of God to doubt his existence! They have felt too much the terror of his wrath to doubt the righteousness of his government. They are stern believers, but they are not saved; and such a faith, if it be in us, will not, cannot, save us, but will remain to all intents and purposes a dead, inoperative faith. It is a faith which produces works which saves us; the works do not save us; but a faith which does not produce works is a faith that will only deceive, and cannot lead us into heaven. Now this evening we shall first speak a few words upon:—

I. WHAT KIND OF WORKS THEY ARE WHICH ARE NECESSARY TO PROVE OUR FAITH IF IT BE A SAVING FAITH.

The works which are absolutely necessary are, in brief, these: First, there must be fruits meet for repentance, works of repentance. It is wrong to tell a man he must repent before he may trust Christ, but it is right to tell him that, having trusted Christ, it is not possible for him to remain impenitent."-Spurgeon

Fruitless Faith

boxes and labels so often do not fit those people try to place others in.

Sad about Spurgeon (and so many preachers )that way - all over the place. But if you
look at the thread of history of his doctrine, you see his latter teachings, in his personal
'latter rain' experience enhance his earlier, less enlightened teachings. For that I am
thankful, for they sometimes if not often contradict themselves, unless taken as a
historical timeline. Praise Jesus for that. And praise Jesus for some, such as John
MacArthur who somewhat continued a spiritual evolution (correction, clarification,
amplification) of teachings, and whom seems to admire and often cites Spurgeon, but to
the lament of many a Calvinist, and many a name-it, claim-it (imputed righteousness +
grace = salvation) McReligion and Churchian.

You have a good thread going on Spurgeon -- take a look at his speeches/sermons in a
chronological order and see how he matures, or becomes more enlightened, or chooses to
reveal more depth - it is interesting.

 

[Fencepost]

Do you want to first discuss the misuse of scriptue and logic in these articles?

Yes, want to listen to everything in these topic's.

 

[AnandaHya]

Yes, want to listen to everything in these topic's.

they are good topics, I'll do some research and post my findings

 

[AnandaHya]

I found this website interesting, tell me what you think:

THE DOCTRINE OF THE NICOLAITANES