Documentary—7 Pretrib Problems and the Prewrath Rapture
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I find it humorous when you say I will not accept the truth when presented. Well let's see - I and 31% of the Protestant churches.
According to a recent poll of Christian religion, Source -(The Barna Group, November 10, 2010) - Protestant churches fall into two major categories:
31% - Classify themselves as 5 point Grace Churches. (Calvinist). The growth of which has remained flat as compared to 2000.
32% - Classify themselves as Wesleyan/Arminian. Growth of which is down 5% since 2000.
Further research shows - that among Non-Denominational churches, those who consider themselves Reformed or 5 point Grace, are even higher.
So the conclusion is - Protestant Churches who follow Calvin's basic teachings are tied with those who follow after Arminius' teachings. I personally do not consider myself a Calvinist because John Calvin did not originate this Doctrine. It is the Doctrine of Scripture. You might find the following of interest.
Augustine believed “it all depends on God’s sovereign will to choose some and pass over others.”
When we arrive at the great theologian and high-water mark of medieval scholasticism, Thomas Aquinas (1225–1274), we might think we’ve left Augustine’s thought behind. Certainly, Thomas was not as passionate about prioritizing divine grace as Augustine was. That might have been due to his temperament or to the genre in which he wrote. In fact, however, he followed Augustine in the main on predestination. “Predestination,” he said, is an “ordering of some persons towards eternal salvation, existing in the divine mind.” He noted that God, “by predestinating from eternity, so decreed our salvation, that it should be achieved through Jesus Christ. For predestination covers not only that which is to be accomplished in time, but also the mode and order in which it is to be accomplished in time.”
J.B. Mozley is surely correct:
“Between the Augustinian and Thomist doctrine of predestination, and that of Calvin, I can see no substantial difference.”
So why do they call it Calvinism? He did not originate it. What about Martin Luther?
According to a recent poll of Christian religion, Source -(The Barna Group, November 10, 2010) - Protestant churches fall into two major categories:
31% - Classify themselves as 5 point Grace Churches. (Calvinist). The growth of which has remained flat as compared to 2000.
32% - Classify themselves as Wesleyan/Arminian. Growth of which is down 5% since 2000.
Further research shows - that among Non-Denominational churches, those who consider themselves Reformed or 5 point Grace, are even higher.
So the conclusion is - Protestant Churches who follow Calvin's basic teachings are tied with those who follow after Arminius' teachings. I personally do not consider myself a Calvinist because John Calvin did not originate this Doctrine. It is the Doctrine of Scripture. You might find the following of interest.
Augustine believed “it all depends on God’s sovereign will to choose some and pass over others.”
When we arrive at the great theologian and high-water mark of medieval scholasticism, Thomas Aquinas (1225–1274), we might think we’ve left Augustine’s thought behind. Certainly, Thomas was not as passionate about prioritizing divine grace as Augustine was. That might have been due to his temperament or to the genre in which he wrote. In fact, however, he followed Augustine in the main on predestination. “Predestination,” he said, is an “ordering of some persons towards eternal salvation, existing in the divine mind.” He noted that God, “by predestinating from eternity, so decreed our salvation, that it should be achieved through Jesus Christ. For predestination covers not only that which is to be accomplished in time, but also the mode and order in which it is to be accomplished in time.”
J.B. Mozley is surely correct:
“Between the Augustinian and Thomist doctrine of predestination, and that of Calvin, I can see no substantial difference.”
So why do they call it Calvinism? He did not originate it. What about Martin Luther?
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My second reply to your post is this.
The REASON you don't answer questions directly, is because you know, your heresy will not stand up to the scrutiny. You call it a rabbit hole - I call it a willingness to test our beliefs. If you are certain in your beliefs, then you should not be concerned about it being tested. I welcome it.
The truth is, you have no answer for the question. If you answer it honestly, your doctrine will begin to unravel. This should concern you. Any doctrine, held by anyone - you or me - if it can be unraveled, it should be abandoned.
1Pe 3:15, 16 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that is asking you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear: Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.
2Ti 4:2-4 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
The REASON you don't answer questions directly, is because you know, your heresy will not stand up to the scrutiny. You call it a rabbit hole - I call it a willingness to test our beliefs. If you are certain in your beliefs, then you should not be concerned about it being tested. I welcome it.
The truth is, you have no answer for the question. If you answer it honestly, your doctrine will begin to unravel. This should concern you. Any doctrine, held by anyone - you or me - if it can be unraveled, it should be abandoned.
1Pe 3:15, 16 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that is asking you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear: Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.
2Ti 4:2-4 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
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