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No, Paul was just a vessel.
The sound doctrine came through the Holy Spirit by the teachings of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
Paul was only given the same teachings and commands that the original 11 Apostles were given, the only difference is that Peter and some of the other Apostles wanted to force the old age Jewish traditions and mosaic laws on gentile believers.
Paul rebuked them for doing this, for the mosaic law does not apply to us. God's moral laws on the other hand to apply.
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Paul was the Apostle Chosen by God to reveal the truth of the gospel...this is all written...do I need to post scriptures? And the law is not broken into parts...all Gods laws are "moral" its every jot and tittle... Its the ministry of death written and engraved on stones... Now the morality we keep is the morality the Spirit of God that works in and through us.
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[h=3]Galatians 3 Commentary - The law was a school master to lead ...[/h]The law was a school master to lead them to Christ. ...
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Paul did not teach nothing different then what Jesus said in the gospels, so you can not say that the full message was not given by the Lord in the gospels.
I can take and list a big long list of what Jesus said, and then list what Paul said that is exactly the same.
Paul did not change nothing, or add any more to it.
I think it's smart to take John the Baptist's reason for baptizing in water.
John 1:31 (KJV) [SUP]31 [/SUP] And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water.
And Paul's reason not to baptize in water. 1 Corinthians 1:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
John pointed to Christ who was to come. Paul pointed to the gospel of the cross.
Jesus has the baptism to give us that Paul taught. His was greater than John's, not towards receiving the Holy Spirit as our seal, but giving that gift to believers that have been cleansed by His blood.
John 1:31 (KJV) [SUP]31 [/SUP] And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water.
And Paul's reason not to baptize in water. 1 Corinthians 1:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
John pointed to Christ who was to come. Paul pointed to the gospel of the cross.
Jesus has the baptism to give us that Paul taught. His was greater than John's, not towards receiving the Holy Spirit as our seal, but giving that gift to believers that have been cleansed by His blood.
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Yes but it's not those commands by which we are saved or have remission of sin.
What you all are ignoring is the fact that it's faith in Christ that saves not a single darn bit of anything we do.
Baptism, good works, playing the flute, whatever will not save you. Only faith in Christ can lead to salvation or remission of sins.
What you all are ignoring is the fact that it's faith in Christ that saves not a single darn bit of anything we do.
Baptism, good works, playing the flute, whatever will not save you. Only faith in Christ can lead to salvation or remission of sins.
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You enter into the Kingdom by repentance. That is, realizing in your heart that you have sinned against God alone; then humbly and sincerely asking for forgiveness; believing that Jesus Christ paid your debt at the Cross; and accepting Him as Lord & Savior of your life.
Water baptism is a public proclamation that you have died to your sins and have been born again (born of the Holy Spirit).
When my son was very young, he stood by me in church one Sunday morning watching a few of the congregation get baptized in water. My little boy listened intently to the pastor tell of how Jesus was baptized by John. All of a sudden, my son yanked on my skirt to get my attention and then asked, "Mommy, can I get baptized?" I told him we'd talk to the pastor after the service.
Well, the pastor and I were both concerned that my son was much too young (he was 5 yrs old!) and didn't understand the significance of baptism. So the pastor scheduled to meet with my son later in the week to counsel him and decide whether or not he was ready to be baptized.
After I dropped my son off at the church office, I sat in the sanctuary to wait. A short while later, the pastor, looking rather perplexed, escorted my smiling little boy back to me. He informed me that my son was scheduled to be baptized at the next church service. He had asked my son several questions concerning the Word of God and was convinced he was a sincere believer in Jesus Christ. And when he asked my little boy why he wanted to be baptized as soon as possible, my son answered, "Jesus did it and I want to be just like Him."
That was good enough for the pastor and good enough for me! Who could prevent a child from following after Jesus Christ? Out of the mouth of babes.... Jesus said you must have the heart of a child, just simple faith in Christ alone.
Anyway... baptism does not save anyone. In fact, obeying all the rules and regulations and laws does not save anyone. (Remember the rich young ruler in Luke 18? He followed every rule and still fell short of the glory of God.) Jesus Christ' death on the Cross saves us. That's it. When we accept that truth and repent, we enter into His kingdom.
Water baptism is a public proclamation that you have died to your sins and have been born again (born of the Holy Spirit).
When my son was very young, he stood by me in church one Sunday morning watching a few of the congregation get baptized in water. My little boy listened intently to the pastor tell of how Jesus was baptized by John. All of a sudden, my son yanked on my skirt to get my attention and then asked, "Mommy, can I get baptized?" I told him we'd talk to the pastor after the service.
Well, the pastor and I were both concerned that my son was much too young (he was 5 yrs old!) and didn't understand the significance of baptism. So the pastor scheduled to meet with my son later in the week to counsel him and decide whether or not he was ready to be baptized.
After I dropped my son off at the church office, I sat in the sanctuary to wait. A short while later, the pastor, looking rather perplexed, escorted my smiling little boy back to me. He informed me that my son was scheduled to be baptized at the next church service. He had asked my son several questions concerning the Word of God and was convinced he was a sincere believer in Jesus Christ. And when he asked my little boy why he wanted to be baptized as soon as possible, my son answered, "Jesus did it and I want to be just like Him."
That was good enough for the pastor and good enough for me! Who could prevent a child from following after Jesus Christ? Out of the mouth of babes.... Jesus said you must have the heart of a child, just simple faith in Christ alone.
Anyway... baptism does not save anyone. In fact, obeying all the rules and regulations and laws does not save anyone. (Remember the rich young ruler in Luke 18? He followed every rule and still fell short of the glory of God.) Jesus Christ' death on the Cross saves us. That's it. When we accept that truth and repent, we enter into His kingdom.
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iow, Peter understood salvation. it was something else brought out by Paul that Peter and others were chastised for.
clarifying: Jesus' teaching and revelation through Paul was foundational to the body of Christ and ekklesia knowledge of truth and discipline in the assembly.
I would in almost no way include though, the Bible, any part thereof, Torah/OT/NT/John/Peter/Paul
in the 'formation of the church and doctrine'.... RE: 'the church and doctrine' which developed after Paul was gone, that persecuted the Jewish and the gentile believers and all who sought Jesus and Jesus' Way of Life, and actively put them to death and did all they could to prevent 'little children' from finding the Kingdom.
clarifying: Jesus' teaching and revelation through Paul was foundational to the body of Christ and ekklesia knowledge of truth and discipline in the assembly.
I would in almost no way include though, the Bible, any part thereof, Torah/OT/NT/John/Peter/Paul
in the 'formation of the church and doctrine'.... RE: 'the church and doctrine' which developed after Paul was gone, that persecuted the Jewish and the gentile believers and all who sought Jesus and Jesus' Way of Life, and actively put them to death and did all they could to prevent 'little children' from finding the Kingdom.
Paul was no more chosen then was Peter, Peter was not mislead on the day of Pentecost, so to imply that Peter was deficient in his knowledge when he addressed those on that day is to say the Holy Spirit messed up, it was the Spirit that gave Peter and the rest of the apostles utterance.
Acts 2:4 (NKJV)
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Paul was the Gentile Apostle, those in Acts 2:38 were not at a gentile feast but Jewish. your trying to be deceptive.
Acts 2:4 (NKJV)
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Paul was the Gentile Apostle, those in Acts 2:38 were not at a gentile feast but Jewish. your trying to be deceptive.
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not referring to eternal life, but 'being saved' from other things ekklesia are saved from according to Scripture,
being immersed was an integral part of life for the ekklesia, both Jews and gentiles, it was well understood and practiced by all simply and 'correctly' until later the wolves tore the flock apart(after Paul left) and started instituting pagan practices then making them required.
being immersed was an integral part of life for the ekklesia, both Jews and gentiles, it was well understood and practiced by all simply and 'correctly' until later the wolves tore the flock apart(after Paul left) and started instituting pagan practices then making them required.