Does Acts 2:38 mean we have to be baptized to get into Heaven? -Debate

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eternally-gratefull

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Jabberjaw said:
So you can throw all those verses out? in fact you can throw your bible away, just everybody give a big group hug...

Good luck with that.
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good luck with thinking any work of righteousness you think you do will have any affect on your salvation.

when you stand in front of christ and he exposes all your sin, the law will condemn you. you good deeds will not save you at all.

you will have an adulterous murderer get in, while you are left out. what a shame.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
wow really?

he said he obeyed it all. jesus proved him wrong, and he would not admit it. that is why he walked away, he loved his wealth more than God. he is no different than the pharisees, who refused to admit they sinned also

getting baptized is not going to help make me more righteous than this person, I would still be condemned as a sinner. the only thing which can make me righteous, is the blood of christ, not some water.
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He commanded you to be baptized, so prove us all wrong, don't get baptized and you and the rich young ruler will meet on day.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Jabberjaw said:
Good thing we have all these Greek scholars out here... it is for sure your not one of them.
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or you would not say what your saying.
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I do know what I am saying, people like you try and make people think you know Greek when the truth is, you cannot make the English say what you want, so you attempt to twist the Greek, notice I said "attempt".
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I do know what I am saying, people like you try and make people think you know Greek when the truth is, you cannot make the English say what you want, so you attempt to twist the Greek, notice I said "attempt".
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lol. I do not attempt anything, I Interpret it as the origional writers interpreted it, Not as some people who tried to interpret it in english did.

even the old english says what I said,

Repent ye (pluaral)

and let every one of you (singular)

laws of language do not change, just so we can make our belief system come true.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
good luck with thinking any work of righteousness you think you do will have any affect on your salvation.

when you stand in front of christ and he exposes all your sin, the law will condemn you. you good deeds will not save you at all.

you will have an adulterous murderer get in, while you are left out. what a shame.
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You have everyone saved, every man and woman since the cross, all he needed to do is die for you and your good...

good luck with that...

Mark 16:16 (NKJV) He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.

it is a command that must be done to be saved.
 
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Jesus done it! He was baptized! I know in the bible it says only need be done once. I have been baptized more than once.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Jabberjaw said:
He commanded you to be baptized, so prove us all wrong, don't get baptized and you and the rich young ruler will meet on day.
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I did get baptized. It did not make me any more righteous than that rich young ruler. according to the lw I was still condemned. chances are he was even baptized as well (by john) but all it did was get him wet, like it did you

the difference was. I was washed in the blood of the lamb, he was not. I was justified by Christ, he was not. The law can not condemn me, because the blood of christ was sprinkled on me (as it was the mercy seat) when God looks at me, he sees his sons blood, not the sin which inside my mortal body (represented by the ark)

You can immerse the ark all you want in water, when it comes out, the window is still clear. God can still see your sin, it is not covered.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
lol. I do not attempt anything, I Interpret it as the origional writers interpreted it, Not as some people who tried to interpret it in english did.

even the old english says what I said,

Repent ye (pluaral)

and let every one of you (singular)

laws of language do not change, just so we can make our belief system come true.
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and you cannot even understand simple english, "Repent, all of you, and each one of you be baptized" what is hard to understand, he told "all who repent" that "each one of them need to be baptized" for the "remittance of sin"...

and you cannot twist that to say what you want, so you think you have to go to the Greek, (which says the same thing)
 
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eternally-gratefull

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You have everyone saved, every man and woman since the cross, all he needed to do is die for you and your good...
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I do? I do not believe you are saved, or anyone like you who tries to save themselves.

I do not believe men who reject Christ because they love their sin are saved, because they do not think they need saved,

good luck with that...

Mark 16:16 (NKJV) He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.

it is a command that must be done to be saved.
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I did believe, and I was baptized (BY GOD) so I was saved.

You still are in a state of unbelief, you still think your works of righteousness will save you.

When are you going to repent and believe? and allow God to baptize you so your sin can truly be washed by the blood of Christ? and the covering of blood will make you white as snow forever.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
I did get baptized. It did not make me any more righteous than that rich young ruler. according to the lw I was still condemned. chances are he was even baptized as well (by john) but all it did was get him wet, like it did you

the difference was. I was washed in the blood of the lamb, he was not. I was justified by Christ, he was not. The law can not condemn me, because the blood of christ was sprinkled on me (as it was the mercy seat) when God looks at me, he sees his sons blood, not the sin which inside my mortal body (represented by the ark)

You can immerse the ark all you want in water, when it comes out, the window is still clear. God can still see your sin, it is not covered.
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You called him Lord Lord... that is all...

Matthew 7:21 (NKJV)
21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:

I do? I do not believe you are saved, or anyone like you who tries to save themselves.

I do not believe men who reject Christ because they love their sin are saved, because they do not think they need saved,



I did believe, and I was baptized (BY GOD) so I was saved.

You still are in a state of unbelief, you still think your works of righteousness will save you.

When are you going to repent and believe? and allow God to baptize you so your sin can truly be washed by the blood of Christ? and the covering of blood will make you white as snow forever.
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Christ told the disciples to baptize you, he did not say he would...

Matthew 28:19-20 (NKJV) [SUP]19 [/SUP] Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, [SUP]20 [/SUP] teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen.
 
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Jabberjaw said:
and you cannot even understand simple english, "Repent, all of you, and each one of you be baptized" what is hard to understand, he told "all who repent" that "each one of them need to be baptized" for the "remittance of sin"...

and you cannot twist that to say what you want, so you think you have to go to the Greek, (which says the same thing)
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And your trying to be silly,

If peter wanted everyone to repent and be baptized, he would have said so.

repent and be baptized, every one of ye, and ye shall receive the remission of sin and the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Nice try though.
 
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Jabberjaw said:
You called him Lord Lord... that is all...

Matthew 7:21 (NKJV)
21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
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No. I cried out to him to have mercy on me a sinner. And I know call him my abba father.

You demand he save you because you went to be baptized. Go to church, Do all of his commands, ad in fact, you praise him your not like the sinner.

Matt 7: 21 condemns you, You call out lord lord, and will use all your works as proof God should save you, He will tell YOU to depart. for he NEVER KNEW YOU..
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
And your trying to be silly,

If peter wanted everyone to repent and be baptized, he would have said so.

repent and be baptized, every one of ye, and ye shall receive the remission of sin and the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Nice try though.
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Try reading the bible instead of spitting out your lukewarm man made doctrine :

Acts 2:38 (NKJV) Then Peter said to them, "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
 
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Jabberjaw said:
Christ told the disciples to baptize you, he did not say he would...

Matthew 28:19-20 (NKJV) [SUP]19 [/SUP] Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, [SUP]20 [/SUP] teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen.
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your right, But John the baptised said he would, and Christ also said we would be baptized with the baptism he is being baptized with (his death on the corss) and we would be baptized with the Holy Spirit, just like John prophesied we would.

Nice try though
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
No. I cried out to him to have mercy on me a sinner. And I know call him my abba father.

You demand he save you because you went to be baptized. Go to church, Do all of his commands, ad in fact, you praise him your not like the sinner.

Matt 7: 21 condemns you, You call out lord lord, and will use all your works as proof God should save you, He will tell YOU to depart. for he NEVER KNEW YOU..
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lol... you just pick up the rock (scripture) someone throws at you and throw it back. good debating skills
 
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kennethcadwell said:
You do know that the Lord Jesus commanded baptism? ( Matthew 28:19, Mark 16:16 )

Then you know that the Lord said if you love Him you will keep His commandments? ( John 14:15,23 )

Then you also know that those who don't obey to do His commands are called disobedient, and disobedience is classified as sin of unbelief? ( Hebrews 3:18-19 )
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Matthew 28:19 (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Did you know Jesus didn't baptize anyone in water. Since all He spoke or did came from the Father, did He break a commandment by doing this....John 4:1-2 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John,
[SUP]2 [/SUP] (Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)

At that time His disciples included a number of John's disciples. He allowed them to water baptize. Jesus baptizes in the Holy Spirit.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
your right, But John the baptised said he would, and Christ also said we would be baptized with the baptism he is being baptized with (his death on the corss) and we would be baptized with the Holy Spirit, just like John prophesied we would.

Nice try though
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Again you fail to read your bible and spout your man made doctrine, John the baptist was like any other disciple, he could only baptize with water, he said Jesus could baptize with the Holy Spirit and fire...

Matthew 3:11 (NKJV)
11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

Christ told the disciples to baptize you, he did not say he would baptize you :

Matthew 28:19-20 (NKJV) [SUP]19 [/SUP] Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, [SUP]20 [/SUP] teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen.
 
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.John 4:1-2 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John,
[SUP]2 [/SUP] (Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)

the Pharisees were the ones who were not baptized. All the disciples were baptized. All through the NT. They rejoiced in repentance (turning away, forsaking all sin, turning to God). ...

Luke 7:29 (When all the people heard this, and the tax collectors too, they declared God just, ....
 
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