Does God desire the salvation of all mankind?

[VARob]

Are you going to show me where in Acts, where the preachers told their audience that God Loved everyone and Christ died for everyone ? Start in Acts 2

Here's one.

Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

 

[Underwhosewings]

It's utterly stunning to me. I want and pray for all my family and friends to be saved. I see people struggling, lost, in need of a Savior, I'm going to tell them about the One who can save them if they only believe. They talk about the blood and how it's sufficient but only for a few. God is not limited, His reach is not shortened and He is a loving, saving God. He is the hope of the World. How do I know this, because His Word tells me so.

We go out street witnessing every week.
Praying for souls to realise that it’s not about paying the next bill, but it’s about, if I die in the next 5 min, where will I be spending eternity?
We can be assured of eternity.
And have assurance of salvation.

 

[ButterflyJones]

There are many who claim that God does not desire the salvation of all human beings. But that is simply a lie of the devil. This one verse from Isaiah 45:22 refutes that idea: Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. This is confirmed below in John 3:16,17.

"All the ends of the earth" encompasses the whole world of humanity. Therefore if God were electing people for salvation, He would elect everyone and save everyone. But that is not how God offers salvation to mankind. Instead God wants that the Gospel be preached in all the world and to "every creature". And when the Gospel is preached, those hearing the Gospel must also hear that (1) God now commands all men everywhere to repent and (2) God now commands all men everywhere to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and be saved. It is through repentance toward God and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ that sinners are saved from Hell (Acts 20:21).

At the same time God and Christ know that all men will not be saved, because many love darkness rather than light. So what we are seeing today is that evil is triumphing over good, and evil is increasing day by day, while that which is righteous is attacked, rejected and reviled.

Nonetheless, the true Gospel must continue to be propagated, and what it says is this (John 3:1-21;29-36 ). These are the words of Christ Himself as well as His forerunner John the Baptist. So these are the words of God.

1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?
10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?
11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.
12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God...
29 He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled.
30 He must increase, but I must decrease.
31 He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all.
32 And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony.
33 He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true.
34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.
35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.
36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

God is Omniscient, Omnipotent, Omnipresent and Sovereign over all creation.

He knows all people before the womb, and our heart. He created Hell for Lucifer and his angels after the war in Heaven was lost by them. And then he opened it to receive certain ones of us.

Revelation 20

The lie of the Devil is that God saves all. Or wants that. If he did, he could. But he didn't. He made those for the day of destruction.

Romans 9:22, James 1:12, Matthew 10

 

[Nehemiah6]

The lie of the Devil is that God saves all. Or wants that. If he did, he could. But he didn't. He made those for the day of destruction.

Another ill-informed and unscriptural post. Posting verses out of context is not credible. But if you wish to be willfully blind no one will stop you. As Jesus said, let the blind lead the blind, and they will both fall into the ditch.

 

[ButterflyJones]

Another ill-informed and unscriptural post. Posting verses out of context is not credible. But if you wish to be willfully blind no one will stop you. As Jesus said, let the blind lead the blind, and they will both fall into the ditch.

Where would you be without your love of condescension?
You are not a teacher. You are an example of someone who is described in the scriptures.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

We go out street witnessing every week.
Praying for souls to realise that it’s not about paying the next bill, but it’s about, if I die in the next 5 min, where will I be spending eternity?
We can be assured of eternity.
And have assurance of salvation.

110% I agree!! Why else would we be fishers of men? Why would we "Go into ALL the World and preach the gospel"? God says He is knowable and He can be found so no one will be without excuse.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

You may have gave 100 verses, but you still can be deceived and not understand one of them.

I can read above a fourth grade level, thank you I can understand a sentence when I read it.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

But not believing what it says after reading is the issue. Scripture doesnt teach what you believe friend.

I read it, I believe it, it's just that simple. I don't jump hoops to make it conform to my beliefs.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Why evangelize, eat and drink for tomorrow we die. Why pray, just play. God has already decided everything. What a false man made doctrine.

Again 110% agree. Why ever send a missionary to a foreign land? Have hymns, Sunday school or any church at all? You got the golden ticket, sit back and relax. smh

 

[Cameron143]

It is clear from scripture that it says that Jesus died for the sins of the whole world. The debate is over what is meant by the whole world.
So let's do an exercise in reason.

Is God just?........I think all will say yes.

Did Jesus die on the cross to pay for the sins of every person, past, present, and future?......For the moment, let's say yes.

Did God accept Jesus payment for everyone's sin?....Most will say yes.

Are there people in hell?.....Again, I think most will say yes.

So the question: is God just if He accepts the payment for someone's sins and still requires them to be punished?

This is just me, but I don't see how both can be true. If someone can show me how God is just and that He can exact judgment for sins that are paid for, I would find it most helpful.

 

[Underwhosewings]

110% I agree!! Why else would we be fishers of men? Why would we "Go into ALL the World and preach the gospel"? God says He is knowable and He can be found so no one will be without excuse.

Matthew 28:18-20 KJV
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. [19] Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: [20] Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

 

[John146]

It is clear from scripture that it says that Jesus died for the sins of the whole world. The debate is over what is meant by the whole world.
So let's do an exercise in reason.

Is God just?........I think all will say yes.

Did Jesus die on the cross to pay for the sins of every person, past, present, and future?......For the moment, let's say yes.

Did God accept Jesus payment for everyone's sin?....Most will say yes.

Are there people in hell?.....Again, I think most will say yes.

So the question: is God just if He accepts the payment for someone's sins and still requires them to be punished?

This is just me, but I don't see how both can be true. If someone can show me how God is just and that He can exact judgment for sins that are paid for, I would find it most helpful.

Here is the difference…man must believe.

1 Timothy 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

 

[brightfame52]

Matthew 28:18-20 KJV
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. [19] Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: [20] Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Jesus is talking about the regenerate, who have been born again, The Gospel is sent to them in order to convert them to Christ, they already saved and regenerate. Only the Spiritually alive can be taught the things of God.

 

[Underwhosewings]

We see in the Holy Bible that Jesus said, God so loved the world, now that speaks for itself.
But Jesus said “should” not perish.
He said “should” not perish, because we (the world) as sinners, have a responsibility and that is in the next verse below, where Jesus said
“Repent.”
No longer doing what is right in our own eyes.
Ephesians 4:22 KJV
That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;

John 3:16 KJV
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Matthew 4:17 KJV
From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

 

[Cameron143]

Here is the difference…man must believe.

1 Timothy 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

Is unbelief a sin? Isn't that already paid for?

 

[Mem]

So the question: is God just if He accepts the payment for someone's sins and still requires them to be punished?

This is just me, but I don't see how both can be true. If someone can show me how God is just and that He can exact judgment for sins that are paid for, I would find it most helpful.

My synopsis of that answer" There is a requirement that each individual be required to validate the payment (faith) before it is to be redeemed.

 

[Cameron143]

My synopsis of that answer" There is a requirement that each individual be required to validate the payment (faith) before it is to be redeemed.

Even if that is so, aren't there still people in hell whose payment for sin has been accepted and still they are being penalized?
It also raises another question: if there is a requirement, is it still grace?

 

[Mem]

Even if that is so, aren't there still people in hell whose payment for sin has been accepted and still they are being penalized?
It also raises another question: if there is a requirement, is it still grace?

If I write you a check that requires your endorsement, is it no longer grace if you do not sign it?

 

[Mem]

Others may regard the offer differently, but I would accept that check as gracefully as I would quickly, and graciously too, and with no concern that the funding is insufficient.

 

[CorrectiveLens]

The reason that some people are confused is because they do not understand the Trinity. John 17: 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. The Holy Spirit of God allows us to understand His truth. Once this truth is revealed to someone, it is natural for that person to want to reveal it to others. Of course, everyone thinks that they have the truth and everyone should be bold enough to share their truth. Salvation comes through the foolishness of preaching and those that are destined to believe the truth will. You cannot force anyone to believe your truth. All that we can do is to present it and let the Holy Spirit of God touch the hearts and mind of those who will receive it. God has always existed. He has no beginning and no end. He transcends time, is omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient, just, and merciful. He can be described as an essence that permeates everywhere and possesses a mind, heart, and soul. Eph 4: 6 There is...One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. The Father and Christ are two seperate entities. The Father is a thinking, emotional, logical, and willful spiritual essence that transcends space, time, and dimensions entirely. All things consist of Him and He has always existed. In the beginning starts when out of this essence proceeded a being with His own mind and with the qualities of the Father such as the Father's will, emotions, logic, and understanding. This being is referred to as the Word, the Son of God, The Father's right hand, the Son of Man ( when He became a human), Jehovah ( in the Old Testament), Jesus, and the Christ. This being, which we will call Christ, is the Spiritual body of the Father because He is full of the Father's glory ( which is the Father's essence) through which the Father communicates His will and gives the power to achieve it. Christ sits at the Father's right hand because the Father created all things both spiritual and physical through Christ. That makes Christ both Lord and the God of all creation. Deut 4 : 39 Know therefore this day, and consider it in thine heart, that the Lord, he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath; there is none else.
The Father put all things under Christ's feet except Himself. 1 Cor 15 : 27-28 For He hath put all things under His feet. But when He saith all things are put under Him, it is manifest that He is excepted who did put all things under Him. The Holy Spirit and Christ proceedeth from the Father. That is why there is a Father and Son relationship. Christ was the Father's Son before He became human. The Holy Spirit is the Father's Spirit (essence) through which He communicates and empowers. Christ is a being with His own mind, heart, and soul, and has a free will. He is One with the Father because He is filled with the Father's Spirit (essence) and obeys the FAther's every wish willingly. Just like we are part of Christ's body when we receive the Spirit of Christ and are in Christ, He is in us and we are in Him. Because Christ is full of the Father's Spirit, He belongs to the Body of the Father and is in the Father as the Father is in Him. John 17: 21 That they all may be One, as thou, Father, art in me, and I in Thee, that they also, may be One in us; ..... And the glory (Father's Spirit)which thou gavest me I have given them, that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me that they may be made perfect in One; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me. It is through Christ that the Father communicates and performs His will of creating everything in existence. Jesus the Christ is the Son of Man because of Mary, and the Son of God through the Holy Spirit of the Father. All authority is given to Him in heaven and on earth by the Father. Yes, He lowered Himself to become human, but He was sent when He was in Heaven. Isaiah 43: 10 ... before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. This verse is spoken by Christ because the Father has no beginning but apparently, the God (Christ) in Isaiah 43: 10 had a time that existed before Him which means that He didn't always exist in the past. Actually, the beginning started when Christ was formed out of the Father's essence. Alpha and Omega means the first and the last.