Does God have a Soul?

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Does God have a Soul?


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Israel

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#41
All well and good; I just don't really have any idea what your basic understandings are regarding God and His nature or constitution, etc.

Your view seems to include subjective rather objective principles of truth and conduct. I'm just trying to get a baseline since it's non-orthodox.

For me , how can you give structure to what God is? The bible says that he has no similitude. No likeness in heaven or earth. knowing that,I will not limit God to Christianity Judiasm or any other religion. Won't tell you that I've never attended any or read any of there literature. I've learned a little out of each of them but never in blind devoution. I approached the bible not in skepticism, but in an honest, but humble approach to proving that what is in this book leads to eternally life.

I believe all men are saved. I Truly believe this but please don't lable me a universalist.I know that there is a hell but I choose not to eat of it.

We can quote verses stating our beliefs out if the bible, but I would rather talk plain using the word without the veil on.

I ask you a question. what are your beliefs without quoting verses. Please just say them plainly.
 
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#42
When I say "I believe...", please know that it isn't initiative opinion, but responsive conformity to that of which I am fully persuaded.

I believe there is one supremely transcendent God who is the self-existent uncreated prime source for all else; and is the sole giver of life and love from Himself as Life and Love. I believe He is beyond gender as Spirit, and is intrinsically unknowable apart from His own self-expression. I believe He desired to procreate, though He alone was Uncreated.

So He spoke the very substance of His own essence forth, and that expression brought into being a near-endless expanse of time-space-matter external to Himself that represents a glimpse of His infinite and eternal multi-omni glory. And that array of unfathomable creation was merely a peripheral backdrop as the canvass upon which He would depict Himself within that which came about by Him breaking His silence.

That which was spoken specifically of His total Uncreated substance was thought, purposed, reasoned, and willed to ultimately be His whole Divinity personified within that which He created as the earthly image of Himself. According to eternal plan, He embodied Himself in literal created flesh of a man to lay down that created life as a love-sacrifice to cover sin that man had taken upon Himself.

This was accomplished in a specific manner that, like everything else, He pre-determined to reveal of the invisible to the visible. His intent was to be known and seen, so He made a way for it to be so. Since He IS existence and the origin of all, He knew exactly how to make Himself known from the non-corporeal to the corporeal. He placed the seed of the Rhema content of His Word for the Virgin to believe in her heart; and that faith brought forth a the birth of the internal Word as the only begotten Son... born from the eternal realm into the temporal realm. The singular Divinity begat the eternal substance of Himself within a human body. The propagation process of that soul-spirit was the condescension of Deity to know the plight of created life and bring Uncreated life within those who believe.

God literally became a part of creation while maintaining His Divinity; then after life, ministry, death, and resurrrction He ascended to whence He came and separated His own Spirit to give to all who believe and receive. As the Uncreated, He became created so that those He created might also ascend to share His Uncreatedness eternally.

Though He is inherently unknowable, He came to reveal Himself by His Spirit. We can know everything He has expressed of Himself.

(I could be quite specific, because God does all things decently and in order. The Incarnate of God is thoroughly explainable, whether one can receive it or not.)
 
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Israel

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#43
Do you believe that nothing is outside of God's will?
 
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#44
Do you believe that nothing is outside of God's will?
I believe that everything either conforms to His specific will or may remain outside of it. I don't believe God has an all-inclusive will that is subject or subordinate to anything or anyone else.

He works broadly within the confines of His own will, but isn't accomodating of others' will(s).

God's will isn't a random inevitability of universal inclusion. All clay will be a pot; but all is not clay.
 
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Israel

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#45
I believe that everything either conforms to His specific will or may remain outside of it. I don't believe God has an all-inclusive will that is subject or subordinate to anything or anyone else.

He works broadly within the confines of His own will, but isn't accomodating of others' will(s).

God's will isn't a random inevitability of universal inclusion. All clay will be a pot; but all is not clay.
So you believe that something could be outside of the will of God?
 
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AnandaHya

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#47
So you believe that something could be outside of the will of God?
sin, death, torture, evil, oppression, hunger, disease are all due to the willfulness of people and angels who rebel against God's will and seek power for their own desires.

there is nothing outside the POWER of God but God's WILL is for good to happen to us and the world. Free will is both humanities gift and curse, because we use it to both bless and curse with the same breath, and that is not of God. If we are to be true Children of God we must stop tearing each other up and instead build each other up and help each other spread the LOVE of God to the world by shining forth His light and love and telling of God's Will for our life which is good and wonderful if people are willing to stop, listen and believe in the grace of Jesus who died and redeemed us from our sins and trangressions through His sacrifice on the cross. He died so that we might LIVE. HE is still ALIVE within in us through the gift of the Holy Spirit.

so will you spend today arguing about things or spend it praising GOd and telling people of HIs glory? will you feed the hungry, clothe the poor, weep with the widow and sorrowing, or will you waste time proclaiming your self righteousness? (note this is not a personal attack but a general call for all God's children to walk the walk not just talk about it)

Love to all my brothers and sister is Christ. :)

Remember God's grace which saves us wretched sinners from Death and damnation.

Be on guard. Stand firm in the faith. Be courageous. Be strong. And do everything with love.

~ 1 Corinthians 16:13-14, NLT

YouTube - Leann Rimes - Amazing Grace



 
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eternally-gratefull

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#48
Okay, and I get all that. Trinitarianism IS three persons, so being a Trinitarian means you would likely use that term.

I'm not really trying to further that debate so much as just trying to find out if you perceive God to have a soul. You said God has three souls. Do you mean more that God IS three souls, like scripture refers to individual persons as being a soul rather than having a soul?

I'm referring to a constituent part of God like a man HAS a soul rather than IS a soul. In that sense, does God have [a] soul(s), by your understanding?
Gets confusing here..lol

The father has a soul

The son has a soul

the HS has a soul

The all have the characteristics and essence of God.

so yes, God has a soul (or souls if you like)..lol
 
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So you believe that something could be outside of the will of God?
I believe God's will is a functional faculty, not a disposition. Man in His image was given a will faculty to be able to participate in God's will. No, not everyone participates in God's will with their own.

God's will isn't arbritrary or subjective. It isn't a conglomeration of various random eventualities.

Do I believe massive Gulf oil spills and child rape and genocide and all other malicious and negligent and circumstantial events are within God's perview? Absolutely. Is He the causal effect by His will? Absolutely not.

I do think you have a more closed understanding of God than you realize.
 
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Israel

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sin, death, torture, evil, oppression, hunger, disease are all due to the willfulness of people and angels who rebel against God's will and seek power for their own desires.

there is nothing outside the POWER of God but God's WILL is for good to happen to us and the world. Free will is both humanities gift and curse, because we use it to both bless and curse with the same breath, and that is not of God. If we are to be true Children of God we must stop tearing each other up and instead build each other up and help each other spread the LOVE of God to the world by shining forth His light and love and telling of God's Will for our life which is good and wonderful if people are willing to stop, listen and believe in the grace of Jesus who died and redeemed us from our sins and trangressions through His sacrifice on the cross. He died so that we might LIVE. HE is still ALIVE within in us through the gift of the Holy Spirit.

so will you spend today arguing about things or spend it praising GOd and telling people of HIs glory? will you feed the hungry, clothe the poor, weep with the widow and sorrowing, or will you waste time proclaiming your self righteousness? (note this is not a personal attack but a general call for all God's children to walk the walk not just talk about it)

Love to all my brothers and sister is Christ. :)



Remember God's grace which saves us wretched sinners from Death and damnation.

Be on guard. Stand firm in the faith. Be courageous. Be strong. And do everything with love.

~ 1 Corinthians 16:13-14, NLT

YouTube - Leann Rimes - Amazing Grace




Therein lies one of the main problems of the world. Why believe that ANYTHING is outside of the will of God? Job said that when we receive of the good of God, how can we not receive of the evil as well. God is provider of all things. Who subjected us all to vanity? Everything is His! The mountains and the valleys. The hills and the seas. The heaven and the earth. What you may perceive as a man stepping out of the will of God is Him simply the man what he wanted. All things (good and evil) work for the GOOD of God!

For those that can accept this, what then is GOOD?
 
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#52
Therein lies one of the main problems of the world. Why believe that ANYTHING is outside of the will of God? Job said that when we receive of the good of God, how can we not receive of the evil as well. God is provider of all things. Who subjected us all to vanity? Everything is His! The mountains and the valleys. The hills and the seas. The heaven and the earth. What you may perceive as a man stepping out of the will of God is Him simply the man what he wanted. All things (good and evil) work for the GOOD of God!

For those that can accept this, what then is GOOD?
But this is your perception. If God is beyond description or understanding, how do you so succintly describe and understand this closed view of His will?

This is a simple cause-and-effect deduction. What if there's more to it than your simplistic understanding?

Haven't you presumed to know an all-encompassing truth about God and His will?
 
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Israel

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#56
But this is your perception. If God is beyond description or understanding, how do you so succintly describe and understand this closed view of His will?

This is a simple cause-and-effect deduction. What if there's more to it than your simplistic understanding?

Haven't you presumed to know an all-encompassing truth about God and His will?
Because I say that we are all under the will of God, how is that now made to be a simple approach? You being a man of God, do you not do what you PERCEIVE as good out of the bible as well? Now please learn of the perfect law of God. Out of it, you can SEE that it is wrong to be gay. You've read the bible. But this particular gay man HAS NEVER read the bible but let's be honest. Does he need it to tell him that it is wrong? He just does what's in his heart to do. So what we have now is the world judging what he's doing as EVIL.

When will we realise that it is by the commandment that both good and evil is known.The gay man sees the tree as well. BOTH however have eaten of that tree. The straight man simply chose what was in his heart by nature what he thought was good. Did not the gay man do the same? He as well out of his heart chose what he thought was GOOD. The straight man, church going bible believer tells the man that he needs to repent of his sins of being gay to be saved. Both only did what it was in their heart to do. But the church man accepted by the world as good condemned the gay man based off of HIS knowledge of evil. The church man believes he is righteous in only letting the gay one KNOW the truth.

The truth of it is that it is actually the church man showing the evil of his own desires. He believes what he's doing is out of love. How is it love? He has placed his hope on the good we can all see. It is then not out of love but for fear of death. Remember out of our own bibles it says that hope that is seen is not hope at all. The church man SEES It's wrong so it is then not hope, but expectant payment for wages.

It is in fact the gay man who will go to his house more justified. Without reading the bible he chose NOT to accept the fruit the church man ate of. It LOOKED GOOD to his eyes and was good for food. If he eats of it, the world will accept him more. But no matter how wise it would make him, he would not eat it out of a greater faith then that of the man the world accepts. He has a fear of death as well, but his hope is not in what he sees.
 
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Because I say that we are all under the will of God, how is that now made to be a simple approach? You being a man of God, do you not do what you PERCEIVE as good out of the bible as well? Now please learn of the perfect law of God. Out of it, you can SEE that it is wrong to be gay. You've read the bible. But this particular gay man HAS NEVER read the bible but let's be honest. Does he need it to tell him that it is wrong? He just does what's in his heart to do. So what we have now is the world judging what he's doing as EVIL.

When will we realise that it is by the commandment that both good and evil is known.The gay man sees the tree as well. BOTH however have eaten of that tree. The straight man simply chose what was in his heart by nature what he thought was good. Did not the gay man do the same? He as well out of his heart chose what he thought was GOOD. The straight man, church going bible believer tells the man that he needs to repent of his sins of being gay to be saved. Both only did what it was in their heart to do. But the church man accepted by the world as good condemned the gay man based off of HIS knowledge of evil. The church man believes he is righteous in only letting the gay one KNOW the truth.

The truth of it is that it is actually the church man showing the evil of his own desires. He believes what he's doing is out of love. How is it love? He has placed his hope on the good we can all see. It is then not out of love but for fear of death. Remember out of our own bibles it says that hope that is seen is not hope at all. The church man SEES It's wrong so it is then not hope, but expectant payment for wages.

It is in fact the gay man who will go to his house more justified. Without reading the bible he chose NOT to accept the fruit the church man ate of. It LOOKED GOOD to his eyes and was good for food. If he eats of it, the world will accept him more. But no matter how wise it would make him, he would not eat it out of a greater faith then that of the man the world accepts. He has a fear of death as well, but his hope is not in what he sees.

I get that. It's about sin (the nature), not sinS (the acts OF that nature).

Problem... It's all the wrong tree. We must eat of the Tree of Life.

Comparing different pieces of fruit from the Tree of KoGaE is irrelevant.

God's will is a functional faculty, so I see it diametrically opposed to your concept of understanding.

...and I'm not being adversarial. :)
 
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Israel

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I get that. It's about sin (the nature), not sinS (the acts OF that nature).

Problem... It's all the wrong tree. We must eat of the Tree of Life.

Comparing different pieces of fruit from the Tree of KoGaE is irrelevant.

God's will is a functional faculty, so I see it diametrically opposed to your concept of understanding.

...and I'm not being adversarial. :)
But both have eaten of it. You are correct in that we must eat of the tree of life, but what is it?
 
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But both have eaten of it. You are correct in that we must eat of the tree of life, but what is it?
Actually, there's no record eating of the Tree of Life by A&E.

I'd be interested in your expanded view on your question.
 
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Israel

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Actually, there's no record eating of the Tree of Life by A&E.

I'd be interested in your expanded view on your question.

The tree of life was guarded away from then for FEAR that they may attain life everlasting. If the tree of the knowledge of good and evil is knowledge, then It's counterpart is ALSO a knowledge. One can be seen as the other cannot be. It is the commandments that gives us the knowledge we have of whatever we may consider good and evil. We see the words and by them form an image in our mind based off what we believe to be good or its opposite. The tree of life however is not the commandments but THAT which spoke it. You share in this as thoughts and voices are in your mind. You here the voice. You form an image based upon the words, but where did it come from? And once it is finished, where does it go? This is spirit.

A cherubim with a flaming sword is placed to guard this tree and we see that angel EVERYDAY.

I do not believe you are a trinitarian but have you debated with one? Can he not come with as many verses to support his beliefs as you yours? JW's, saturday church goers, sunday church goers, people who believe Jesus is God, people who don't, people who eat unclean meat and those who don't. Just choose a thread where differences of beliefs are discussed. Do you see the flame from the sword?

We try so to prove to another that what I ate of makes me wiser than what you ate that we never ponder the source.

A man believes whole heartedly in the trinity. If this image of who God is, is what caused him to love God shown by how he treats his neighbor, how does that differ from the image you have that caused the same desired effect?