Does God Lie?
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God will heal,but the healing will be in relation according to their spiritual walk with God,for some people that are not healed actually have a closer relationship with God,than if they were healed.
Paul was given a thorn in the flesh to keep him humble,because of the abundance of revelations God gave him,so he would not get arrogant,and then that would affect his relationship with God,for God resists the proud,but gives grace unto the humble.
Which Paul asked for it to be removed 3 times,and had faith,but was told my grace is sufficient,so Paul said he will glory in his affirmities,for when he is weak then he is strong,for the power of Christ rests upon him.
To be healed,to not to be healed,that is the question,and it depends on how it will affect their spiritual relationship with God,whatever the better position.
Jesus said if a body part causes you to sin,cut it off,for it is better to enter eternal life maimed,than lose out on salvation,which he did not mean it literally,so is the case of someone not being healed,for it is better for them spiritually,than if they were healed,for they might not depend on God as much,and might be out sinning,because of their healed condition.
But the angels always behold the face of the Father for the little ones,for before the age of accountability they are innocent with no sin on their record,so it would seem like they would be healed,but God knows,and many people have a closer relationship with God in an unhealed condition,than a healed condition,and a relationship with God is what matters the most.
Like my friend that is in a wheelchair,muscular dystrophy,that would lust after women,but he did love the Lord a lot,and if he was healed might be out sinning,so his being in a wheelchair gives him a closer relationship to God than if he was healed.
Maybe some people do not get healed as a beacon of hope to other people,that God is love,as they are happy,and not depressed,and love the Lord despite their handicap,to show other handicapped people all is alright,and God is love despite their handicap.
But them some that are not healed,might get healed in the future,or maybe their handicap is temporarily,and has a purpose until the purpose is up,and then they will be healed.
Like Jesus said in response to someone that said,concerning a blind man,was he blind because he was a sinner of some sort,but Jesus said no,but to show the power of God that he can heal,like the blindness was temporary,so he could be healed as witness.
God knows the heart,and whatever is better for their spiritual walk with God,whether to be healed,or not,and may be temporary for a purpose,and then them being healed.
Paul was given a thorn in the flesh to keep him humble,because of the abundance of revelations God gave him,so he would not get arrogant,and then that would affect his relationship with God,for God resists the proud,but gives grace unto the humble.
Which Paul asked for it to be removed 3 times,and had faith,but was told my grace is sufficient,so Paul said he will glory in his affirmities,for when he is weak then he is strong,for the power of Christ rests upon him.
To be healed,to not to be healed,that is the question,and it depends on how it will affect their spiritual relationship with God,whatever the better position.
Jesus said if a body part causes you to sin,cut it off,for it is better to enter eternal life maimed,than lose out on salvation,which he did not mean it literally,so is the case of someone not being healed,for it is better for them spiritually,than if they were healed,for they might not depend on God as much,and might be out sinning,because of their healed condition.
But the angels always behold the face of the Father for the little ones,for before the age of accountability they are innocent with no sin on their record,so it would seem like they would be healed,but God knows,and many people have a closer relationship with God in an unhealed condition,than a healed condition,and a relationship with God is what matters the most.
Like my friend that is in a wheelchair,muscular dystrophy,that would lust after women,but he did love the Lord a lot,and if he was healed might be out sinning,so his being in a wheelchair gives him a closer relationship to God than if he was healed.
Maybe some people do not get healed as a beacon of hope to other people,that God is love,as they are happy,and not depressed,and love the Lord despite their handicap,to show other handicapped people all is alright,and God is love despite their handicap.
But them some that are not healed,might get healed in the future,or maybe their handicap is temporarily,and has a purpose until the purpose is up,and then they will be healed.
Like Jesus said in response to someone that said,concerning a blind man,was he blind because he was a sinner of some sort,but Jesus said no,but to show the power of God that he can heal,like the blindness was temporary,so he could be healed as witness.
God knows the heart,and whatever is better for their spiritual walk with God,whether to be healed,or not,and may be temporary for a purpose,and then them being healed.
What a shame that a new person shares a well written and deep, and true insight into God and his workings, and a certain person abducts the post with his ranting heresies, bashing many people along the way.
I took you off ignore Denalii, and now you have made me regret it!
Here is my challenge to you, Denalii! Read Isaiah, from start to finish. You can find out what the book is about in the first chapter.
"4 Woe to the sinful nation,
a people whose guilt is great,
a brood of evildoers,
children given to corruption!
They have forsaken the Lord;
they have spurned the Holy One of Israel
and turned their backs on him." Isaiah 1:4
But before you start to read, look up the word "metaphor" and then think about how some of what Isaiah was saying was a metaphor. A kind of comparison, but without the use of "like" or "as" which is a simile. For instance, in Matt 20:1, Jesus says, "For the kingdom of heaven is LIKE..."
A metaphor is not some imagination or fantasy, as someone accused me of saying in another thread I posted showing how wrong Word Faith is. In fact, a metaphor is a way to illustrate things, which was a very common figure of speech in both Hebrew and Greek.
So:
"5 "Why should you be beaten anymore?
Why do you persist in rebellion?
Your whole head is injured,
your whole heart afflicted.
6 From the sole of your foot to the top of your head
there is no soundness—
only wounds and welts
and open sores,
not cleansed or bandaged
or soothed with olive oil." Isa. 1:5-6
Please note how the metaphor starts here in verses 5 and 6. Isaiah starts by calling out the SINFUL nation of Israel in verse 4! Then he talks about being beaten and in rebellion, and compares it to the entire body being hurt, damaged, wounded, with open sores and unclean. But this is NOT about healing of the body, but a way that helps us understand how broken and sinful Israel is.
That is a descriptive metaphor, or comparison of SINFUL Israel. Isaiah wants to create a vivid picture of the state of SINFUL Israel in the minds of his readers. Now, I suppose he could have just listed their sins. And he does do that later on, including his own sin, in chapter 6, where he records the amazing events around God calling him as a prophet.
"18 “Come now, let us settle the matter,”
says the Lord.
“Though your sins are like scarlet,
they shall be as white as snow;
though they are red as crimson,
they shall be like wool.
19 If you are willing and obedient,
you will eat the good things of the land;
20 but if you resist and rebel,
you will be devoured by the sword.”
For the mouth of the Lord has spoken." Isa. 1:18-20
Isaiah resumes the literal prophecy of the SINS of Israel in the above verses. "Though your sins are scarlet, they shall be white as snow!" This is the prophecy concerning the coming of Jesus, who would redeem Israel, and all humanity from our SIN sickness.
The book of Isaiah is a book where God calls the prophet to call Israel to repentance for their sin. Isaiah uses many metaphors to illustrate this, just as other prophets like Jeremiah, who lay on his side, and let fruit grow rotten to illustrate the rottenness of Israel, because of her SIN.
Well, truly, the whole Bible has just one purpose! And that is to reveal Jesus Christ, who came to save his people from their sins.
So when you get to Isaiah 53, in context of the chapter, and the book, and the Bible, Isaiah is prophesying that Jesus would heal our SIN sickness by his stripes, and ultimately on the cross.
That is called CONTEXT! It means looking at what Isaiah, in this case, was writing about in the book and the chapter! In fact, just look at this "by his stripes we are healed" phrase in context.
"4 Surely he took up our pain
and bore our suffering,
yet we considered him punished by God,
stricken by him, and afflicted.
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
and by his wounds we are healed.
6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to our own way;
and the Lord has laid on him
the iniquity of us all." Isa. 53:4-6
Notice how this line, (This is the NIV, but stripes is also right!" Is contained in the middle of 3 verses about SIN. Words like:
transgressions
iniquities
punishment
astray
turned our own way
These are all about the sickness of SIN. Verse 5d recalls the vivid metaphor in chapter 1 and elsewhere, of a broken diseased body of Israel - the nation. The prophecy is that Jesus will redeem, ransom, and in verse 5, he will heal us our our wounds/stripes which result from SIN.
Stop listening to your Word Faith videos, and reading Word Faith books, and go back to reading the Bible in contexypt. Read Isaiah, all of it! Memorize Isaiah 53:4-6 and every time you want to say, "by his stripes we are healed," instead say the whole three verses. Or for that matter, memorize more of Isaiah 53, and realize that physical healing is not what Isaiah was prophesying, but rather heading from the broken wounds if sin sickness!
I took you off ignore Denalii, and now you have made me regret it!
Here is my challenge to you, Denalii! Read Isaiah, from start to finish. You can find out what the book is about in the first chapter.
"4 Woe to the sinful nation,
a people whose guilt is great,
a brood of evildoers,
children given to corruption!
They have forsaken the Lord;
they have spurned the Holy One of Israel
and turned their backs on him." Isaiah 1:4
But before you start to read, look up the word "metaphor" and then think about how some of what Isaiah was saying was a metaphor. A kind of comparison, but without the use of "like" or "as" which is a simile. For instance, in Matt 20:1, Jesus says, "For the kingdom of heaven is LIKE..."
A metaphor is not some imagination or fantasy, as someone accused me of saying in another thread I posted showing how wrong Word Faith is. In fact, a metaphor is a way to illustrate things, which was a very common figure of speech in both Hebrew and Greek.
So:
"5 "Why should you be beaten anymore?
Why do you persist in rebellion?
Your whole head is injured,
your whole heart afflicted.
6 From the sole of your foot to the top of your head
there is no soundness—
only wounds and welts
and open sores,
not cleansed or bandaged
or soothed with olive oil." Isa. 1:5-6
Please note how the metaphor starts here in verses 5 and 6. Isaiah starts by calling out the SINFUL nation of Israel in verse 4! Then he talks about being beaten and in rebellion, and compares it to the entire body being hurt, damaged, wounded, with open sores and unclean. But this is NOT about healing of the body, but a way that helps us understand how broken and sinful Israel is.
That is a descriptive metaphor, or comparison of SINFUL Israel. Isaiah wants to create a vivid picture of the state of SINFUL Israel in the minds of his readers. Now, I suppose he could have just listed their sins. And he does do that later on, including his own sin, in chapter 6, where he records the amazing events around God calling him as a prophet.
"18 “Come now, let us settle the matter,”
says the Lord.
“Though your sins are like scarlet,
they shall be as white as snow;
though they are red as crimson,
they shall be like wool.
19 If you are willing and obedient,
you will eat the good things of the land;
20 but if you resist and rebel,
you will be devoured by the sword.”
For the mouth of the Lord has spoken." Isa. 1:18-20
Isaiah resumes the literal prophecy of the SINS of Israel in the above verses. "Though your sins are scarlet, they shall be white as snow!" This is the prophecy concerning the coming of Jesus, who would redeem Israel, and all humanity from our SIN sickness.
The book of Isaiah is a book where God calls the prophet to call Israel to repentance for their sin. Isaiah uses many metaphors to illustrate this, just as other prophets like Jeremiah, who lay on his side, and let fruit grow rotten to illustrate the rottenness of Israel, because of her SIN.
Well, truly, the whole Bible has just one purpose! And that is to reveal Jesus Christ, who came to save his people from their sins.
So when you get to Isaiah 53, in context of the chapter, and the book, and the Bible, Isaiah is prophesying that Jesus would heal our SIN sickness by his stripes, and ultimately on the cross.
That is called CONTEXT! It means looking at what Isaiah, in this case, was writing about in the book and the chapter! In fact, just look at this "by his stripes we are healed" phrase in context.
"4 Surely he took up our pain
and bore our suffering,
yet we considered him punished by God,
stricken by him, and afflicted.
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
and by his wounds we are healed.
6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to our own way;
and the Lord has laid on him
the iniquity of us all." Isa. 53:4-6
Notice how this line, (This is the NIV, but stripes is also right!" Is contained in the middle of 3 verses about SIN. Words like:
transgressions
iniquities
punishment
astray
turned our own way
These are all about the sickness of SIN. Verse 5d recalls the vivid metaphor in chapter 1 and elsewhere, of a broken diseased body of Israel - the nation. The prophecy is that Jesus will redeem, ransom, and in verse 5, he will heal us our our wounds/stripes which result from SIN.
Stop listening to your Word Faith videos, and reading Word Faith books, and go back to reading the Bible in contexypt. Read Isaiah, all of it! Memorize Isaiah 53:4-6 and every time you want to say, "by his stripes we are healed," instead say the whole three verses. Or for that matter, memorize more of Isaiah 53, and realize that physical healing is not what Isaiah was prophesying, but rather heading from the broken wounds if sin sickness!
Angela....Please Please woman! Please put me back on your ignore list. Please! Your bible school teaching has ruined your fine brain. I've finally decided to put you and your friends on ignore so PLEASE Put me back on yours
Psalm 103 I am the God who heals ALL of your diseases. If you want to make that only spiritual illness, you can keep it for yourself. I Know that I know that I know that God heals everything spiritual physical emotional everything! And you can believe that or not.
Psalm 103 I am the God who heals ALL of your diseases. If you want to make that only spiritual illness, you can keep it for yourself. I Know that I know that I know that God heals everything spiritual physical emotional everything! And you can believe that or not.
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I have asked God for healing many times and many have asked on my behalf as well yet I have never once received it nor have i ever seen it happen to anyone, but based not from what I have received but rather on what i know of god i belief fully in healing.
But this little girl truly showed child like faith, she didn't question whether it would happen or not she didn't consider if her faith was strong enough or not she simply asked and went for it.
Even though it didn't happen I hope she never out grows that child like faith to ask and then go for it.
But this little girl truly showed child like faith, she didn't question whether it would happen or not she didn't consider if her faith was strong enough or not she simply asked and went for it.
Even though it didn't happen I hope she never out grows that child like faith to ask and then go for it.
Welcome to CC, Secondhandhippie,
Thank you for sharing your story. What a precious daughter you have. I hope you were able to explain to her and that she is doing okay. What a blessing she is to want to tell the world about Jesus.
I also suffer with Fibromyalgia and Osteoarthritis. Right now 2 disks are herniated and I have spinal stenosis too. I should be going to PT in the next couple of weeks.
Anyway, I just wanted to say that many of us suffer and so I feel for your darling daughter. What a jewel she is!God bless you and your family. Hope to hear more from you soon. Hugs and love!!!
Thank you for sharing your story. What a precious daughter you have. I hope you were able to explain to her and that she is doing okay. What a blessing she is to want to tell the world about Jesus.
I also suffer with Fibromyalgia and Osteoarthritis. Right now 2 disks are herniated and I have spinal stenosis too. I should be going to PT in the next couple of weeks.
Anyway, I just wanted to say that many of us suffer and so I feel for your darling daughter. What a jewel she is!God bless you and your family. Hope to hear more from you soon. Hugs and love!!!
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Sister, I do not know why your little one has the inability to walk, but this I do know. One day she will run where roses grow.
I'm responding in tears here saint not of sorrow but of joy.
I believe your child is a work in progress, a great work the Lord has in store for her. Above all else the Lord looks at the heart and what a heart your daughter has. With your faithfulness and witness as her parent to instruct her in the way she should go God will honor that and use it for his glory.
I dare say expect good things to come out of what seems to be ashes.
Be conforted to know that he knows. Trust him and may his peace be with you.
A word of knowledge
Potter.....
I'm responding in tears here saint not of sorrow but of joy.
I believe your child is a work in progress, a great work the Lord has in store for her. Above all else the Lord looks at the heart and what a heart your daughter has. With your faithfulness and witness as her parent to instruct her in the way she should go God will honor that and use it for his glory.
I dare say expect good things to come out of what seems to be ashes.
Be conforted to know that he knows. Trust him and may his peace be with you.
A word of knowledge
Potter.....
Which part of all those verses in context was wrong? Seriously, I want to know! Because you and your Word Faith heresy is the one pulling verses out of context. One doesn't need seminary to know that you have to read all the verses, and the whole Bible to get a correct picture of what God is saying, and in this case, through Isaiah.
I just want to welcome you to CC, and thank you for this wonderful post. I suffer from severe Rheumatoid Arthritis and quite a few other diseases, including asthma, I have been recently been reminded. I live in constant pain, but God has given me so much, it really doesn't matter.
For me, watching my child suffer would be harder than what I personally have ever gone through. The fact that you have been able to surrender to God, and trust him anyway, shows incredible faith and Christian character.
Thank you for this wonderful testimony, and forgive me for taking someone to task, who really had no right to even comment on this thread. You are a precious child of God, and so is your beautiful daughter!
Hello SecondHandHippie
I enjoyed reading your opening post . It is a moving story. Being a dad I know the love you have for your kids. I don't have a child with special needs .I can only imagine what I would be like . I can imagine asking God why no or why must things be this way . I can say one thing God uses situations and what seems to be calamity for His and our good. I do see something positive and uplifting in your post. I read about a young child that no matter the problem she faces ,she has faith. That is something this 51 year old man looks up to . Your child in her infirmity has a strength. That can inspire others . God uses such people to draw others to Him . Your daughter may not understand this ,but there are going to be folks that look up to her for her courage,and faith . It is maybe just that what God wants to do in her life .
Blessings
Bill
I enjoyed reading your opening post . It is a moving story. Being a dad I know the love you have for your kids. I don't have a child with special needs .I can only imagine what I would be like . I can imagine asking God why no or why must things be this way . I can say one thing God uses situations and what seems to be calamity for His and our good. I do see something positive and uplifting in your post. I read about a young child that no matter the problem she faces ,she has faith. That is something this 51 year old man looks up to . Your child in her infirmity has a strength. That can inspire others . God uses such people to draw others to Him . Your daughter may not understand this ,but there are going to be folks that look up to her for her courage,and faith . It is maybe just that what God wants to do in her life .
Blessings
Bill
Why do believers always, when refuting Isaiah 53 (in regards to healing), never mention that in verse 4 it is in reference to physical healing quoted in Matthew 8:17? Its like they just skip that verse, and pretend it doesn't exist so that they can keep saying that God doesn't promise healing, or that there is no guarantee. Yet, what do we see of those who approached the Lord for a healing touch? He did not reject people for their faith, He commended it.
If His response has always been positive to those with faith (it is impossible to please Him otherwise), then how dare a person claim God doesn't promise healing or that there is no guarantee? His response is to believe! Do you not see who He is? How good God is!? How faithful and true? Find your reason to trust Him, whether that be His goodness, Christ on the cross, or His mercy, whatever it is, let it be known that He is for us. Seek Him, get the healing, and praise Him. He is worthy.
If His response has always been positive to those with faith (it is impossible to please Him otherwise), then how dare a person claim God doesn't promise healing or that there is no guarantee? His response is to believe! Do you not see who He is? How good God is!? How faithful and true? Find your reason to trust Him, whether that be His goodness, Christ on the cross, or His mercy, whatever it is, let it be known that He is for us. Seek Him, get the healing, and praise Him. He is worthy.
Our desires, Gods will.
Is it Gods will we get our desires? No it is Gods will that we might desire what He desires.
Everything has been created in His purposes, and we are His servants rejoicing in Him and
His creation. There is no such thing as our will, but His will expressed through us.
In the world this is subjugation of the soul to another, where you give over to the devices
and normally irresponsibilities of another person. God is saying He is so glorious, in His will
we will find delight and the greatest joy and light in the whole of creation.
We want so many things to give us pleasure or relief or resolution now, here because our
approach is focusing on the temporary, the situational, the place we find ourselves in, rather
than seeking the eternal, the communion and focus on the eternal and how to love and express
His will in our current circumstances.
Is it Gods will we get our desires? No it is Gods will that we might desire what He desires.
Everything has been created in His purposes, and we are His servants rejoicing in Him and
His creation. There is no such thing as our will, but His will expressed through us.
In the world this is subjugation of the soul to another, where you give over to the devices
and normally irresponsibilities of another person. God is saying He is so glorious, in His will
we will find delight and the greatest joy and light in the whole of creation.
We want so many things to give us pleasure or relief or resolution now, here because our
approach is focusing on the temporary, the situational, the place we find ourselves in, rather
than seeking the eternal, the communion and focus on the eternal and how to love and express
His will in our current circumstances.
It is great we show a belief in God, but should God bend to our will, because
to not do so is cruel?
When a child has a disorder which will kill them aged 6, is this cruel, or is the
gift of life, for so brief a period something to rejoice in, when many are given
less and a lot, a lot more?
Is mortal life the end that measures value or eternity with God?
If the 6 year old will go to be with the Lord, is this better than the slow learning
most have to go through to get to the same place?
to not do so is cruel?
When a child has a disorder which will kill them aged 6, is this cruel, or is the
gift of life, for so brief a period something to rejoice in, when many are given
less and a lot, a lot more?
Is mortal life the end that measures value or eternity with God?
If the 6 year old will go to be with the Lord, is this better than the slow learning
most have to go through to get to the same place?
In my understanding - it boils down to that some believe it is God's will for healing and wholeness in every area ( I believe this view as seen in the life of Jesus who came to show us the true nature and will of the Father while He was on this earth )...and some don't believe it.
They have a right to believe what they want to and how they walk with the Lord is between them and the Lord.
To the OP - This is not the end - the God who loves you and your little girl fervently is not done manifesting Himself to you and your family.
Though sometimes we walk through the valley of the shadow of death - we can fear no evil because He is with us!
The end of all this is - "Surely ( absolutely ) goodness and mercy will follow you all the days of your life."
The Lord always gives us grace as we walk in this life and we can participate in it by looking unto Jesus only in all things.
We as your brethren are to bear with each other's burdens and to walk with you "in the way" you have chosen to walk with your Lord with the season you are in.
There should be no "lording over each other's faith" - whether for healing or against healing.
Galatians 6:2 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Bear one another's burdens, and thereby fulfill the law of Christ.
They have a right to believe what they want to and how they walk with the Lord is between them and the Lord.
To the OP - This is not the end - the God who loves you and your little girl fervently is not done manifesting Himself to you and your family.
Though sometimes we walk through the valley of the shadow of death - we can fear no evil because He is with us!
The end of all this is - "Surely ( absolutely ) goodness and mercy will follow you all the days of your life."
The Lord always gives us grace as we walk in this life and we can participate in it by looking unto Jesus only in all things.
We as your brethren are to bear with each other's burdens and to walk with you "in the way" you have chosen to walk with your Lord with the season you are in.
There should be no "lording over each other's faith" - whether for healing or against healing.
Galatians 6:2 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Bear one another's burdens, and thereby fulfill the law of Christ.
Jesus healed some that couldn't even ask to be healed. The guy that had the legion of demons for instance. Others he raised from the DEAD. So they obviously couldn't ask to raised from the dead, or have faith to be raised.
In those cases OTHERS asked or Jesus simply took it upon Himself to heal or raise from the dead.
The point is, those of you who believe the Lord will heal EVERY one EVERY time IF you simply believe hard enough, WHY ARENT YOU OUT THERE DAY AND NIGHT HEALING PEOPLE!
Why is YOUR faith so weak that you can't speak a word of HEALING for this woman's daughter?
The Lord has a purpose for His children. We have no idea how He will be Glorified by illnesses and injuries, but I. Trust that He has MY best interests at heart in every situation in life.
I'm asking you brothers and sisters in Christ to please stop hurting others with this doctrine. Love Ed
In those cases OTHERS asked or Jesus simply took it upon Himself to heal or raise from the dead.
The point is, those of you who believe the Lord will heal EVERY one EVERY time IF you simply believe hard enough, WHY ARENT YOU OUT THERE DAY AND NIGHT HEALING PEOPLE!
Why is YOUR faith so weak that you can't speak a word of HEALING for this woman's daughter?
The Lord has a purpose for His children. We have no idea how He will be Glorified by illnesses and injuries, but I. Trust that He has MY best interests at heart in every situation in life.
I'm asking you brothers and sisters in Christ to please stop hurting others with this doctrine. Love Ed