Does God love everyone

[epostle]

God does not hate me and He never did.

I don't do anything to cause God to love me, I actually committed some of the worst sins imaginable before my conversion and I will continue to sin until I die, but His Son has paid for all of my past, present and all future sins.

I don't have a clue why God choose to save me and give me eternal life in paradise and all the riches of the universe, while others who are very good people who love everyone and strive to help the poor and they do as much as they can to make the world a better place are going to spend eternity in hell.

So I don't know why God chose to save me, a wicked sinner and cast good people into hell. It's a mystery which nobody knows or understands apart from God Himself.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him...
Who is "the world"? Jesus died to redeem the world, not just Christians. But redemption is not salvation. How would God judge a person who, through no fault of their own, never heard the Gospel? Is God that cruel that He makes people just to throw them into hell? No, God judges these kinds of people by the way they lived their lives.
ANY good works Christians do is done by the grace of Christ. ANY good works done without the grace of Christ is a system of debt. Only God knows the difference. Those who never heard the Gospel and struggle to follow God through the dictates of their conscience, and do good works, are, hopefully, acting on the grace of Christ whether they know it or not.

The parable of the Good Samaritan is a case in point. Remember, the Jews of Jesus' day considered the Samaritans to be the scum of the earth.

 

[Slayer]

John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him...
Who is "the world"? Jesus died to redeem the world, not just Christians. But redemption is not salvation. How would God judge a person who, through no fault of their own, never heard the Gospel? Is God that cruel that He makes people just to throw them into hell? No, God judges these kinds of people by the way they lived their lives.
ANY good works Christians do is done by the grace of Christ. ANY good works done without the grace of Christ is a system of debt. Only God knows the difference. Those who never heard the Gospel and struggle to follow God through the dictates of their conscience, and do good works, are, hopefully, acting on the grace of Christ whether they know it or not.

The parable of the Good Samaritan is a case in point. Remember, the Jews of Jesus' day considered the Samaritans to be the scum of the earth.


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I'm a bit confused, first you say would God create someone just to throw them into hell. Then you say God judges them by the way they lived their lives.

Yes God does judge the unbelievers by the way they lived their lives, that means they will all be cast into hell "for, all have sinned".

Nobody need to hear the Gospel to know right from wrong, God wrote His law on our hearts so everyone is without excuse. But the fact remains that all those who God chose to leave in their sin are going to be cast into hell.

So it all comes back to predestination and election, all the elect will be saved no matter how much they have sinned and what they do. They are sealed for salvation and likewise all the reprobate are sealed for hell no matter how much good they do.

 

[Brad47]

First of all, read 1 Cor 2:14 to get an understanding of the limitations that the natural man has, in the fact, that he cannot discern spiritual things, until he has been born of the Spirit. Romans 10, Paul is praying to God for Israel that they may be saved (delivered) from their lack of knowledge. He says that they have a ZEAL (the natural man cannot have a zeal of God) of God, but not according of knowledge, for they are going about to establish their own righteousness, by working the works of the old law (like most on this forum are doing). Paul further tells them if they will listen to the word he is preaching, confess and believe it is by God's grace and not by their works that they shall be saved (delivered from the sin of believing in their works). The natural man cannot confess of a spiritual law that he does not understand. Anytime you see scriptures that are using the word's, confess, repent, believe, accept, etc. they will be referencing the disobedient child of God, not the natural man.

I'm sorry but this is the first time I have ever come across such a belief. Never heard anyone say that God does not love everyone and give all a chance. I agree that we are saved by grace not by works. Accepting grace is not a work. Jesus died for all. It's each persons choice whether to accept him or not.

 

[Jewel5712]

I am under the impression that we become his son's and daughter's when we are born again as stated in Eph 2:5

Yes..spiritual sons and daughters but we are His creation BEFORE becoming His sons and daughters

Romans 5:8
“God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” Before we were even born, God sent His only Son, Jesus, to die on our behalf to give us the opportunity for eternal life. This amazing gift comes to us because of His wonderful grace toward us: “It is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast” (Ephesians 2:8–9). We don’t have to earn His love; we simply accept it.

 

[Jewel5712]

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[calibob]

@calibob ..morning cali

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[Jewel5712]

Hello! just got my AM BREW, Black silk w/Itilian sweet creme

Cant go wrong starting a day 9ff like that..lol

 

[ForestGreenCook]

God didnt need a sacrifice..if you feel he did..what sid He need a sacrifice for if it had NOTHING to do with man? Did you not read and believe the scripture John 3: 16-18? You cant pick n chose what scriptures to believe and what not? Lol

John 3:16-17 New International Version (NIV)

"16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him."

WE/mankind make up the "world".WHO Created the world/mankind? (God)

The verse doesnt say he l9ves ONLY THOSE THAT WILL LOVE HIM BACK..lol. "ALL" not exclusive

I dont know why this is so hard for you to understand because quite a few other people have explained this to you as well..

Jewel, Eph 5:2, And walk in love, as Christ hath also loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour. I study from the KJV because I find it to harmonize the scriptures better than the other versions. I think that we have established that the natural man, as described in 1 Cor 2:14, cannot believe in spiritual things without first having the indwelling Spirit of God. John 3:16, says "whosoever believeth". Believeth is in the present tense. The Greek definition of the word "WORLD" according to Thayer's is "pertaining to believers only, which would eliminate the natural man. The only way the natural man can become a spiritual man is explained in Eph 2:5. Back when Jesus was teaching on earth, his doctrine was a mystery to a lot of people, and hard to understand by the rest of the people, and it still is in this day and time. I, in my fleshly nature, question why God does not reveal such a beautiful doctrine to more people, but scriptures tell us it is to but a few. I am a firm believer that a child of God will have to deny his dependence upon his own intelligence before the Spirit within him will reveal understanding unto him. Believing, repentance, accepting, etc. are works of a child of God confessing his disobedience to God. The natural man cannot respond with these works to spiritual things,

 

[ForestGreenCook]

@ForestGreenCook...please show me a scripture that states that God only loves the saved people..and..that Jesus only died for the saved people

Thanks

Whom the Lord loveth, he chastens (divinely punishes). Ps 73:5, They (talking about the wicked), are not PLAGUED (divinely punished) like other men. If God does not divinely punish a person, he does not love them.

 

[Jewel5712]

Jewel, Eph 5:2, And walk in love, as Christ hath also loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour. I study from the KJV because I find it to harmonize the scriptures better than the other versions. I think that we have established that the natural man, as described in 1 Cor 2:14, cannot believe in spiritual things without first having the indwelling Spirit of God. John 3:16, says "whosoever believeth". Believeth is in the present tense. The Greek definition of the word "WORLD" according to Thayer's is "pertaining to believers only, which would eliminate the natural man. The only way the natural man can become a spiritual man is explained in Eph 2:5. Back when Jesus was teaching on earth, his doctrine was a mystery to a lot of people, and hard to understand by the rest of the people, and it still is in this day and time. I, in my fleshly nature, question why God does not reveal such a beautiful doctrine to more people, but scriptures tell us it is to but a few. I am a firm believer that a child of God will have to deny his dependence upon his own intelligence before the Spirit within him will reveal understanding unto him. Believing, repentance, accepting, etc. are works of a child of God confessing his disobedience to God. The natural man cannot respond with these works to spiritual things,

I actually AGREE with most of your post

 

[ForestGreenCook]

I think I explained this passage already (or perhaps in a different thread?).

Where it says "all THAT [neuter]" it is not referring to individual persons, as it does where it says "all [or every one] WHO [masculine]" (which ARE individual persons). What and who He will "raise up AT/IN THE LAST DAY" is all that He has and possesses (things AND persons), such as His earthly [Davidic] throne [and governing] and so forth. [the last day being more than a 24-hr day]

Jesus is NOT just merely repeating Himself, here, in these several verses.

John 6:44, No "MAN" can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him; and I will raise him up at the last day. Sounds like an individual person to me.

 

[Jewel5712]

Whom the Lord loveth, he chastens (divinely punishes). Ps 73:5, They (talking about the wicked), are not PLAGUED (divinely punished) like other men. If God does not divinely punish a person, he does not love them.

Your own assessment when you say "if God does not divinely punish a person He does not love them" is wrong as i and others have posted other scriptires that refutes that..

God doesnt punish a person that doesnt know better..like i said before..once we have an understanding of God n who He is n what He expects..if we outwardly be disobediant ..knowing what we're doing is wrong God will chasten us..God wont chasten someone that doesnt KNOW what wrong or right..would you do that to your OWN child? No..lol do you only LOVE your child when hes doung right? Lol..no...

 

[Jewel5712]

John 6:44, No "MAN" can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him; and I will raise him up at the last day. Sounds like an individual person to me.

Generalized "man" aka mankind..

If you spicifically say man is sigular...do you think that doesnt mean women or children either?

 

[ForestGreenCook]

God does not hate me and He never did.

I don't do anything to cause God to love me, I actually committed some of the worst sins imaginable before my conversion and I will continue to sin until I die, but His Son has paid for all of my past, present and all future sins.

I don't have a clue why God choose to save me and give me eternal life in paradise and all the riches of the universe, while others who are very good people who love everyone and strive to help the poor and they do as much as they can to make the world a better place are going to spend eternity in hell.

So I don't know why God chose to save me, a wicked sinner and cast good people into hell. It's a mystery which nobody knows or understands apart from God Himself.

Slayer, I agree with most of your comments, but I have to disagree with good people going to hell. The only good people are those that have the imputed righteousness of Christ, and that is the only reason children of God are good.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Your own assessment when you say "if God does not divinely punish a person He does not love them" is wrong as i and others have posted other scriptires that refutes that..

God doesnt punish a person that doesnt know better..like i said before..once we have an understanding of God n who He is n what He expects..if we outwardly be disobediant ..knowing what we're doing is wrong God will chasten us..God wont chasten someone that doesnt KNOW what wrong or right..would you do that to your OWN child? No..lol do you only LOVE your child when hes doung right? Lol..no...

God does not punish the natural man, void of the Spirit. He leaves them to their own destruction. That is not God punishing.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

I'm a bit confused, first you say would God create someone just to throw them into hell. Then you say God judges them by the way they lived their lives.

Yes God does judge the unbelievers by the way they lived their lives, that means they will all be cast into hell "for, all have sinned".

Nobody need to hear the Gospel to know right from wrong, God wrote His law on our hearts so everyone is without excuse. But the fact remains that all those who God chose to leave in their sin are going to be cast into hell.

So it all comes back to predestination and election, all the elect will be saved no matter how much they have sinned and what they do. They are sealed for salvation and likewise all the reprobate are sealed for hell no matter how much good they do.

God did not write his laws in the hearts and minds of the non-elect.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Generalized "man" aka mankind..

If you spicifically say man is sigular...do you think that doesnt mean women or children either?

Yes, it stands to reason that man means all genders, but God knows every PERSON individually.

 

[Jewel5712]

Slayer, I agree with most of your comments, but I have to disagree with good people going to hell. The only good people are those that have the imputed righteousness of Christ, and that is the only reason children of God are good.

Theres a lot of professing christians that do a LOT of good but dont have a personal relationship with Christ.

I know non saved people that live better good pure lives than a lot of christians do...sad..

 

[Slayer]

Slayer, I agree with most of your comments, but I have to disagree with good people going to hell. The only good people are those that have the imputed righteousness of Christ, and that is the only reason children of God are good.

I was speaking to the other guy in a worldly language, he doesn't seem to understand spiritual things. I said those people are "good" as the world understands good, of' course that means filthy rags in our language.

 

[Jewel5712]

Yes, it stands to reason that man means all genders, but God knows every PERSON individually.

Yes..God does..but thats not what the scripture was relaying.."man" as in mankind..in GENERAL..