Does Hell Exist?

[cv5]

The Tree of Life actually devastates your un-Biblical theory, and you fail to understand that at all. You prefer to
add to Scripture and promote the lie of Satan at the heart of the fall of man and corruption of all creation. In all
good conscience, I cannot do that. There are a plethora of verses, from the beginning of the Bible to the end, that
state the end of wicked man is death, the wages of sin is death, that life ever after is attained solely by grace through
faith in the shed righteous blood of Jesus Christ. It is Christianity 101 but gets thrown over for Satan's lie time and time
and time again. I know you do not believe it. You have a parable which many refuse to accept is a parable, a few verses
from a highly symbolic book written in apocalyptic literature style, and a great deal of deception to counter a multitude
of verses that have shaped my conviction. I normally have you on ignore because of your tendency to bombastic speeches.

Chronister is holding a royal flush as far as this matter is concerned.

You, on the other hand, are holding mostly vacuous denial and venal philosophy.

Here is the prescription that will cure your ignorance once and for all.....

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[CS1]

Why do you call it an interesting perspective when it is Scripture? .

And, there are people here who argue that the soul of man is immortal.

Doesn't seem to matter to them that Scripture says otherwise.

I do not see the resurrection of condemnation as eternal life.

Many many verses say they perish, or are destroyed.

And many of those verses are juxtaposed against what the righteous (through Christ) receive.

So they are not speaking about the first death.

There are many interesting perspectives from scripture; they are also called Applications.

The definition of "perspective": a particular attitude toward or way of regarding something; a point of view.


What is eternal damnation? And what is the contrast to that?


Who said Eternal Damnation? And what was the context?

 

[Magenta]

there are many interesting perspectives from scripture; they are also called Applications.

What is eternal damnation? And what is the contrast to that?

Who said Eternal Damnation? And what was the context?

Word study and hermeneutics was called word games by you earlier.
So please excuse me for taking what you say now with a grain of salt.

Damnation is eternal punishment, which many think of as eternal punishing.
But that is a word distortion people make. Don't count me in with them.

They will even say things like death is not punishment. LOL

 

[CS1]

Word study and hermeneutics was called word games by you earlier.
So please excuse me for taking what you say now with a grain of salt.

Damnation is eternal punishment, which many think of as eternal punishing.
But that is a word distortion people make. Don't count me in with them.

Did I say that ? that is an interesting perspective. What did I actually say?

CS1, from post 16#:

"In addition, the teaching of "Annihilationism" is unbiblical. Most who hold to this take the scriptures a verse here and there out of context to suggest there is no eternal torment.

They like to play word games. It would be nice if they were right because you would die, and that would be it. As if that is something to be fearful of."


I disagree with your understanding of Scripture because I believe Jesus said the words forever and eternal in the context of Hell found in Mark 9:47-48

Also, Revelation 14 and 20 chapters.

punishment is a verb and hell is a Noun and those who go there will be there forever= Eternal as Jesus said

 

[Magenta]

Did I say that ? that is an interesting perspective. What did I actually say?

Your implication was clear: those who believe differently than you play word games.

Don't pretend it's not what you meant.

You start out with a slur. I cannot expect much better.

I'll stick with what the Bible teaches from beginning to end:

The wages of sin is death.

Death is not eternal life.

God alone is immortal.

You even said (basically) that death was nothing to fear.

That flies in the face of what Scripture says.

 

[CS1]

Your implication was clear: those who believe differently than you play word games.

Don't pretend it's not what you meant.

You start out with a slur. I cannot expect much better.

I'll stick with what the Bible teaches from beginning to end:

The wages of sin is death.

Death is not eternal life.

God alone is immortal.

You even said (basically) that death was nothing to fear.

That flies in the face of what Scripture says.

No, I said, "The teaching of "Annihilationism" is unbiblical. " I did not imply that I and Stated it. I did not start out with a slur. I think you are just trying to be argumentive and have yet to answer the qestion I asked . I'm sure you do believe what you hold to is biblical. If Annihilationism is what you hold to, please prove it from the Bible. My Proof is the Words of the Lord Jesus, who said hell was eternal. He is the final authority whenever he is speaking on any topic.

 

[Magenta]

I did not start out with a slur.

They like to play word games.

Right there. If you are going to be dishonest, I have no desire to engage with you.

Even so, the Bible repeatedly states that the wicked will perish/be destroyed.

 

[CS1]

Right there. If you are going to be dishonest, I have no desire to engage with you.

context


The teaching of "Annihilationism" is unbiblical.

Those who hold to this teaching like to play word games. That is who "they" are.

 

[CS1]

Word study and hermeneutics was called word games by you earlier.
So please excuse me for taking what you say now with a grain of salt.

Damnation is eternal punishment, which many think of as eternal punishing.
But that is a word distortion people make. Don't count me in with them.

They will even say things like death is not punishment. LOL

"Word study and hermeneutics was called word games by you earlier."


That is very much untrue; never said a word study or hermeneutics was "word games" WE can disagree, but to lie is wrong.

 

[VARob]

Those who hold to this teaching like to play word games. That is who "they" are.

..talk about word games:

punishment is a verb

No it isn't.

 

[Magenta]

context


The teaching of "Annihilationism" is unbiblical.

Those who hold to this teaching like to play word games. That is who "they" are.

Which means, those who disagree with you on this. If I were to point out that I do not normally use the word
annihilation, would you call that playing word games? The Bible repeatedly says the wicked will be destroyed,
that they perish, and this is explicitly and repeatedly juxtaposed against what those who by grace through faith
in the shed righteous blood of Jesus Christ attain, which is called immortality in places, because that is what the
mortal who is saved puts on: Christ's immortality, since He Himself is God, and the life of men. But I say that and
you disagree with it. LOL. You say it is un-Biblical just because you disagree despite the fact it is BIBLICAL.

 

[Magenta]

Consider that Paul told us to follow his example, assuring us he had given us the full council of God
straight from Jesus. Paul said we should do as he did, and how many times in all his books (28% of
the NT) did he preach eternal conscious torment via hellfire damnation? Did he ever even use the
word hell? No, he did not. Paul, who claimed he was caught up into heaven and given the Gospel
directly by Jesus, that all men would be judged according to his gospel, that he had declared to
people the whole counsel of God, that he kept back nothing profitable from the people he taught,
and that he was the apostle to the gentiles... never once used the word hell. Paul uses the Greek
word "Hades" in 1 Corinthians 15:55, where it is translated "grave." (KJV) O death, where is thy sting?
O grave, where is thy victory? In Galatians 1:8, he says: But though we, or an angel from heaven,
preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

From 1 Corinthians 15:50-54

 

[CS1]

Which means, those who disagree with you on this. If I were to point out that I do not normally use the word
annihilation, would you call that playing word games? The Bible repeatedly says the wicked will be destroyed,
that they perish, and this is explicitly and repeatedly juxtaposed against what those who by grace through faith
in the shed righteous blood of Jesus Christ attain, which is called immortality in places, because that is what the
mortal who is saved puts on: Christ's immortality, since He Himself is God, and the life of men. But I say that and
you disagree with it. LOL. You say it is un-Biblical just because you disagree despite the fact it is BIBLICAL.

FYI,

the answer was in context to the doctrine or teaching, as I said, of Annihilationism.

That doctrine is Unbiblical. That is not to suggest the word annihilation is not valid or Biblical.


The Heresy of Annihilationism:


Some of the false denominations that teach a form of Annihilationism include: Christadelphians, Christian Science, Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormonism, and Seventh-day Adventists.


Some other theologians are also campaigning against the historic doctrine of an eternal Hell; such as Philip E. Hughes, John Stott, and John W. Wenham, Michael Green, et. al.

I would be happy to go over any verse you want to use that you believe support the teaching of

Annihilationism.

 

[Magenta]

FYI,

the answer was in context to the doctrine or teaching, as I said, of Annihilationism.

That doctrine is Unbiblical. That is not to suggest the word annihilation is not valid or Biblical.

The Bible versions I read use the words perish, destroy, etc, to speak of the fate of the wicked. Not annihilation.

 

[VARob]

FYI,

the answer was in context to the doctrine or teaching, as I said, of Annihilationism.

That doctrine is Unbiblical. That is not to suggest the word annihilation is not valid or Biblical.


The Heresy of Annihilationism:


Some of the false denominations that teach a form of Annihilationism include: Christadelphians, Christian Science, Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormonism, and Seventh-day Adventists.


Some other theologians are also campaigning against the historic doctrine of an eternal Hell; such as Philip E. Hughes, John Stott, and John W. Wenham, Michael Green, et. al.

I would be happy to go over any verse you want to use that you believe support the teaching of

Annihilationism.

People in Bible times knew what death was. Most today do not. Unfortunately, this includes most Christians.

 

[Grace911]

I hang out watching some YouTube and I have noticed on different occasions a real big push for stories told by someone who claims to have died and gone to hell or gone to heaven and then comes back to life to tell their tale. I really don't think either is biblically correct and that their stories are just that, stories. Have any of you here on CC had a near death experience?

 

[Nehemiah6]

The Heresy of Annihilationism

This heresy arose among the cults and still persists. These people refuse to believe that souls and spirits are imperishable and reject the so-called "immortality" if the soul. The term immortality should never have been used for immaterial souls and spirits. That term pertains to the human body, and Paul uses "immortal" in connection with the bodily resurrection of the saints. At the same time they reject the doctrine of eternal Hell, even though Christ spoke about it many. So this is essentially unbelief and also calling God and Christ liars..

 

[CS1]

The Bible versions I read use the words perish, destroy, etc, to speak of the fate of the wicked. Not annihilation.

ok I agree with you

 

[Nehemiah6]

Even so, the Bible repeatedly states that the wicked will perish/be destroyed.

Yes and both those terms apply to eternal damnation. Unfortunately the lexicons failed to make that crystal clear. For example Thayer's Greek Lexicon says this for STRONGS NT 622: ἀπόλλυμι: "metaphorically, to devote or give over to eternal misery: Matthew 10:28; James 4:12; contextually, by one's conduct to cause another to lose eternal salvation: Romans 14:15. Middle to perish, to be lost, ruined, destroyed; " Why did he not say plainly "eternal damnation" instead of "eternal misery". But in any even eternal misery refutes Annihilationism. Id a soul does not exist eternally, how could it experience eternal misery?

But other Scriptures make it clear that this is the eternal damnation of Hell: Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation* of hell [Gehenna]? (Mt 23:33) That is "the sentence of condemnation, damnatory judgment, condemnation and punishment".

 

[VARob]

So this is essentially unbelief

It's unbelief in a false doctrine, one you have openly embraced.

and also calling God and Christ liars..

Strong words, my friend. Time will tell.

Paul, writing by revelation, said the wages of sin is death. I believe him, I do not think he was lying.