Does Jesus call you "friend"?

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Crossfire

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Abide in me, and I in you, As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself
accept it abide in the vine....without me ye can do nothing!

I consider Jesus alot more than my friend. "Nothing"= not even a heart beat.

I whole heartedly agree. :)
 

zone

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"The one who says that he abides in him (Christ) must live the same way he himself lived." - 1 John 2:6

Just because you may have met someone and talk to them on occasion doesn't mean you really know them. While you may be somewhat acquainted them, it doesn't mean you are actually friends.

A lot of professing Christians today seem to think that just because they've read / studied Jesus' biography and can recite a couple of His teachings that they actually know Him. The truth is they are no better off than a teenage girl with a crush on the latest pop music teen heart throb. Sure she may know a lot about him from reading up on him and may be able to sing all of his songs by heart, but that does not mean that she can just waltz backstage at a concert and strut into his dressing room as if she was a family member.

While the Bible itself may be considered our "ticket" to the concert, it is not a backstage pass nor does it give us access to Jesus' "dressing room". You can only gain access to the intimate places through authentic faith, a faith which inspires humility, prayer and repentance.

Scripture teaches us that we can tell true Christians from the counterfeit because the authentic have spent so much time in the presence of God that His nature literally becomes their own. Then and only then does Jesus call you "friend".
what wretched snobbery. "then, and only then".
who is really claiming to have the backstage pass?

funny how it's always a slight put down of the God-breathed scriptures.
that way i can say i have a subjectively more intimate relationship with Jesus than anyone else.

okey dokey.
like anyone knows anyone else's relationship to Christ.

hahaha.
 
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Abiding

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The bible does not say anywhere we take on His nature by spending time in His presence.
It says we are given exceeding great and precious promises and by them are made partakers
then gives a list of transforming duties.
 
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Crossfire

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As I was pondering this whole thing, I remembered the relationship between myself and my little brother as we both attended school together. We played sports together, traveled together, hung out with the same group of friends, had the same taste in clothes music & sports, etc. We were so close that we new exactly how the other would respond to a situation and finish each other's sentences. In fact, friends and family hated to compete against us in sports or even card games because we knew exactly what the other would do without saying a word to the other thus giving us a huge advantage.

As I read scripture teaching us the why and how we are to "put on the new man (which is Christ)", I have no problem what so ever understanding the concept and it's effects on our lives because I know what it means to be so close to someone.

"Abiding in Christ" means much more than just spending time or hanging out with someone. The bible is packed with language that equates the relationship Christ desires to have with us as a marriage, often times referring to Christ as the bridegroom and the church as His bride. Christ already knows the inner most details of our hearts & lives because nothing is hidden from God. However, it appears that very few dare to get close enough to Christ to know the intimate details of His heart. What bride, head over heals in love with her husband, doesn't remember the anniversary of their first date, their first kiss, etc. Could it be that the call to be the bride of Christ is more than a call to just get acquainted?

I will be the first to admit that there was a time in my walk with the Lord when I became content with just spending time with Christ. However, looking back it was obvious to me that the relationship that I had with Christ during that time was no more significant than the relationship that I had with a fellow coworker. Sure I went to church every Sunday and Wednesday, I spent time reading the word and in prayer daily however, to be completely honest, my heart was elsewhere.

Praise God that He is faithful to finish the work He has started and snapped me out of my slumber however, I can help but wonder how many other Christians are in "cruise control" and if this is the cause of all the damage that the "Church" has caused in my area.

It is my sincere hope & prayer that if the Lord convicts the heart of anyone reading this, that you don't waste time beating yourself up. Rather, run to God for He is faithful to forgive those willing to humble themselves and repent. After all, restored fellowship with God is the entire reason Christ went to the cross in the first place. :)
 
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superdave5221

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I understand your dilemma, Crossfire. Many pastors are leaving the field of ministry because they are burned out trying both to save the world and to keep those in the church saved. They might as well put a revolving door in the front of the church. Not only so, but those that remain have little desire to grow in the faith. They want their worship, they want their praise, and then a very short sermon.
Then, there are those who think it's their job to run the church (kind of like some of those who like to run the forums). They have leadership mentality, but that's where it ends. They don't have the ability to use their knowledge to benefit the body of Christ. They don't have compassion for the lost. They don't have long-suffering for the babes. They pretty much enjoy telling everybody how wrong they are. Then they try to figure out what's wrong with the pastor, because by then his nerves are pretty much shot. Few know what it's like to be called into a ministry of preaching and teaching and have a whole congregation generally speaking that doesn't want to listen. No wonder most preachers want to be evangelists. They can just preach their sermon and leave.
The problem is not keeping those in the church saved. The problem is that there are many in the church who are NOT saved, and never were. When I say church, I am talking about congregations of believers, not Christ's Church, because no one will enter Christ's Church without being saved.

Many church congregations are overly concerned with increasing their numbers, and have forgotten the importance of the cross. As such, they preach a message to unbelievers which is unbalanced and diminishes the power of the gospel to bring about salvation. While preaching God's love and willingness to forgive sins, they neglect the "weightier things of the Law", and need for repentance. Many people enter congregations not having been taught that they must forsake their former life of sin, and become a new person in Christ. Their true love continues to be the world and worldly things. They are the tares which are spoken of in the parable.
 

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The problem is not keeping those in the church saved. The problem is that there are many in the church who are NOT saved, and never were. When I say church, I am talking about congregations of believers, not Christ's Church, because no one will enter Christ's Church without being saved.

Many church congregations are overly concerned with increasing their numbers, and have forgotten the importance of the cross. As such, they preach a message to unbelievers which is unbalanced and diminishes the power of the gospel to bring about salvation. While preaching God's love and willingness to forgive sins, they neglect the "weightier things of the Law", and need for repentance. Many people enter congregations not having been taught that they must forsake their former life of sin, and become a new person in Christ. Their true love continues to be the world and worldly things. They are the tares which are spoken of in the parable.
Hey, how long was your stay at Purgatory Mt?
 

superdave5221

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Hey, how long was your stay at Purgatory Mt?
Actually, I have stopped there many times. It is just a good spot to stop and view the mountains and valley along the Blue Ridge Parkway. I don't believe in purgatory. Are you saying that I need to change my Avatar:cool:
 
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Gal 5:24 But those belonging to Christ have crucified the flesh with its passions and lusts.

Yes abiding IN Christ is very important, and His friends and followers are the ones who have truly crucified thier flesh once and for in in repentance as commanded!!
 

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Well he is not a friend to me, i remember how he spoke of a person being closer than a brother..... i don't know what i would call him because my words cannot describe how deeply my heart loves him. I only know him because he revealed himself to me so saying i know him doesn't feel right either because while he may have revealed his heart to me but i know there is so much more of him i want to know too. So all in all i don't know him near enough
 

zone

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Actually, I have stopped there many times. It is just a good spot to stop and view the mountains and valley along the Blue Ridge Parkway. I don't believe in purgatory. Are you saying that I need to change my Avatar:cool:
davester...if yer done with it, i'll take it:cool:
i have some sins that need to be taken care of.
i hope my family has tons of money.
 

superdave5221

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davester...if yer done with it, i'll take it:cool:
i have some sins that need to be taken care of.
i hope my family has tons of money.
You misunderstand me. I have never claimed that to be saved means that we no longer sin.

However, becoming saved DOES mean to repent of our old lives, forsake them, and take on Christ, become a bond slave to Him, and to try to do His will. We will continue to fall into sin, for we are unable to reach perfection in this life.

Surely you would not advocate that someone who is committing adultery can continue in that lifestyle after becoming a Christian?

The only thing that I am advocating is that we experience godly repentance, and have a desire to serve God and forsake our sins. I understand that sanctification is a lifelong process and no one reaches perfection. Jesus said that there is no one that is good except God, and that includes Christians without the blood of Christ covering their sins. But, unless we understand our need for a Savior, we can never accept and truly be thankful for what He has done for us.


We, as Christians, are not under the Law. But those who have never accepted Christ are.

Are you saying that repentance is unnecessary?

Paul would disagree, (Acts 20:21); as would Jesus, (Mat. 9:13, 4:17, Luke 13:3-5).

It is common for many to exclaim in our culture that there is no difference between the way a Christian acts and the way the unbeliever acts. How can this be so when we are made new in Christ?

If you are saying that all that we have to do is believe in Christ, claim to accept Him, and continue to live as we did before, then I must vehemently oppose such a view. Many people coming into church congregations today believe just that. I truly believe that the power of salvation is such that we are forever changed, not completely forsaking sin because of our sinful nature, but seeking always to do the will of Christ, who's spirit now resides within us.

 

zone

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You misunderstand me. I have never claimed that to be saved means that we no longer sin.

However, becoming saved DOES mean to repent of our old lives, forsake them, and take on Christ, become a bond slave to Him, and to try to do His will. We will continue to fall into sin, for we are unable to reach perfection in this life.

Surely you would not advocate that someone who is committing adultery can continue in that lifestyle after becoming a Christian?

The only thing that I am advocating is that we experience godly repentance, and have a desire to serve God and forsake our sins. I understand that sanctification is a lifelong process and no one reaches perfection. Jesus said that there is no one that is good except God, and that includes Christians without the blood of Christ covering their sins. But, unless we understand our need for a Savior, we can never accept and truly be thankful for what He has done for us.


We, as Christians, are not under the Law. But those who have never accepted Christ are.

Are you saying that repentance is unnecessary?

Paul would disagree, (Acts 20:21); as would Jesus, (Mat. 9:13, 4:17, Luke 13:3-5).

It is common for many to exclaim in our culture that there is no difference between the way a Christian acts and the way the unbeliever acts. How can this be so when we are made new in Christ?

If you are saying that all that we have to do is believe in Christ, claim to accept Him, and continue to live as we did before, then I must vehemently oppose such a view. Many people coming into church congregations today believe just that. I truly believe that the power of salvation is such that we are forever changed, not completely forsaking sin because of our sinful nature, but seeking always to do the will of Christ, who's spirit now resides within us.

dave.
bud....i was talking about your pugatory sign...joking that i'd take purgatory, since i had sins to be burned out. the family fortune needed for indulgences. lol

i wasn't challenging anything you said.
i agree with you.

sorry dave.
zone
 
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superdave5221

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dave.
bud....i was talking about your pugatory sign...joking that i'd take purgatory, since i had sins to be burned out. the family fortune needed for indulgences.

i wasn't challenging anything you said.
i agree with you.

sorry dave.
zone
OK, sorry! As you know, I really have a lot of respect for your opinion, and so, I overreacted. I am glad we agree! I still have a lot to learn from you!

Love ya,

Dave
 

crossnote

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Actually, I have. topped there many times. It is just a good spot to stop and view the mountains and valley along the Blue Ridge Parkway. I don't believe in purgatory. Are you saying that I need to change my Avatar:cool:
No, i am just teasing, any nice scenery on these forums is a breath fresh air.
 

crossnote

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dave.
bud....i was talking about your pugatory sign...joking that i'd take purgatory, since i had sins to be burned out. the family fortune needed for indulgences. lol

i wasn't challenging anything you said.
i agree with you.

sorry dave.
zone
Dave there's no hope for Zone...she's one of 'those' Lutherans. :)