Does man have a freewill ?
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I directly quote Scripture very frequently and it gets ignored, contradicted, and outright denied.
You make it sound like you do not even read my posts. And it sounds like that is what you are doing because you
favour the man made tradition and vain philosophy of free will for which there are zero verses. Check yourself.
You make it sound like you do not even read my posts. And it sounds like that is what you are doing because you
favour the man made tradition and vain philosophy of free will for which there are zero verses. Check yourself.
God tells us we are laborers together with Him ... that is one of God's chosen means from time of Adam to today and in the future ... I'm not just making stuff up, Cameron143.
God uses the believer to reach the unbeliever.
The believer is free to keep his or her mouth shut ... if this occurs, nothing for God to increase.
The unbeliever is free to suppress the truth in unrighteousness when a believer speaks the truth of God's Word ... if this occurs, nothing for God to increase.
The unbeliever who does not suppress the truth in unrighteousness when a believer speaks the truth of God's Word ... God can bring increase. After hearing the Word of truth, trust blossoms as God brings increase [In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise - Eph 1:13] ... hear – trust – believe – sealed ... that's the sequence.
The point is that God's Word spoken from the lips of the believer is one of the means God uses to draw people to Himself.
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God uses the believer to reach the unbeliever.
The believer is free to keep his or her mouth shut ... if this occurs, nothing for God to increase.
The unbeliever is free to suppress the truth in unrighteousness when a believer speaks the truth of God's Word ... if this occurs, nothing for God to increase.
The unbeliever who does not suppress the truth in unrighteousness when a believer speaks the truth of God's Word ... God can bring increase. After hearing the Word of truth, trust blossoms as God brings increase [In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise - Eph 1:13] ... hear – trust – believe – sealed ... that's the sequence.
The point is that God's Word spoken from the lips of the believer is one of the means God uses to draw people to Himself.
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God doesn't use people to draw men to Himself. He employs human agency to share the gospel. God uses the word to produce hearing, and hearing to produce faith...faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Individuals may share the gospel, but it is the word of God, hence God, who produces faith. That is why the one who waters and plants are nothing. God does the work that yields faith.
And I never said you were making anything up. I've only said man's part in salvation is insignificant. God doesn't need us to save anyone.
Like many here, you believe salvation is a choice. An individual audibly hears the gospel and chooses whether they want to believe it or not. This is not what the word of God teaches. Scripture teaches that faith comes when the Spirit of God employs the word of God and faith is birthed in an individual. That's what it means by faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Word of God produces hearing.
Hearing produces faith.
The work that produces salvation is the work that God does. As His people, He welcomes us into a love relationship with Him, and then invites us to join Him in the work He is doing. But the work that yields faith is all God.
And I never said you were making anything up. I've only said man's part in salvation is insignificant. God doesn't need us to save anyone.
Like many here, you believe salvation is a choice. An individual audibly hears the gospel and chooses whether they want to believe it or not. This is not what the word of God teaches. Scripture teaches that faith comes when the Spirit of God employs the word of God and faith is birthed in an individual. That's what it means by faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Word of God produces hearing.
Hearing produces faith.
The work that produces salvation is the work that God does. As His people, He welcomes us into a love relationship with Him, and then invites us to join Him in the work He is doing. But the work that yields faith is all God.
It depends on what you mean by Free will.
I would say no we do not, but my definition of free will is very Pelagian in that we can will ourselves to do anything like perfect memory recall, choose to be unaffected by emotions, choose to act without compulsion or restraint of any ability, etc. when people say free will they believe they mean that we have some, though not all, agency, which I coined as limited moral agency. We can choose some things but we cannot choose all things. I cannot choose my family, my genetics, my race, my gender, etc
I would say no we do not, but my definition of free will is very Pelagian in that we can will ourselves to do anything like perfect memory recall, choose to be unaffected by emotions, choose to act without compulsion or restraint of any ability, etc. when people say free will they believe they mean that we have some, though not all, agency, which I coined as limited moral agency. We can choose some things but we cannot choose all things. I cannot choose my family, my genetics, my race, my gender, etc
Please provide the post where I said you did.
Do you agree that the natural man is a slave to sin? A lover of darkness? Refusing to come into the light
because his deeds are evil? That his heart is incurably wicked? That he suppresses the truth in unrighteousness?
That he is hostile toward God? You almost made it sound like you disagree with people being born as children of
wrath as a result of being born after Adam. And we are not talking to unbelievers right now.
Do you agree that the natural man is a slave to sin? A lover of darkness? Refusing to come into the light
because his deeds are evil? That his heart is incurably wicked? That he suppresses the truth in unrighteousness?
That he is hostile toward God? You almost made it sound like you disagree with people being born as children of
wrath as a result of being born after Adam. And we are not talking to unbelievers right now.