Does the Bible allow for the existence of a doggie heaven?

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Does the Bible allow for the existence of a doggie heaven?

  • yes

    Votes: 6 46.2%
  • the Bible seems gray on the subject

    Votes: 2 15.4%
  • no

    Votes: 5 38.5%

  • Total voters
    13

posthuman

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#41
That's not speaking of heaven, the dwelling place of God, but the Millennial kingdom on earth with Christ as King of kings.
Acts 10:10-12
Then he became very hungry and wanted to eat; but while they made ready, he fell into a trance and saw heaven opened and an object like a great sheet bound at the four corners, descending to him and let down to the earth. In it were all kinds of four-footed animals of the earth, wild beasts, creeping things, and birds of the air.

Peter saw all kinds of animals coming down from heaven, which clearly implies they were in heaven before they descended to him.

How true and perfect are the visions God gives?
 

John146

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#42
Acts 10:10-12
Then he became very hungry and wanted to eat; but while they made ready, he fell into a trance and saw heaven opened and an object like a great sheet bound at the four corners, descending to him and let down to the earth. In it were all kinds of four-footed animals of the earth, wild beasts, creeping things, and birds of the air.

Peter saw all kinds of animals coming down from heaven, which clearly implies they were in heaven before they descended to him.

How true and perfect are the visions God gives?
I guess this is proof that all pets go to heaven....:confused:

This was a vision to show Peter that the gospel was to include the Gentiles.
 

Magenta

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#43
I consider that our present sufferings are not comparable to the glory that will be
revealed in us. The creation waits in eager expectation for the revelation of the sons
of God. For the creation was subjected to futility, not by its own will, but because of
the One who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage
to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God. Romans 8:18-20


God made the beasts of the earth according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds,
and everything that crawls upon the earth according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.
 

Poinsetta

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#44
My pet dog is always talking to God because well that’s where they come from Heaven
 

Pilgrimshope

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#45
Does the Bible allow for the existence of a doggie heaven?
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“For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity. All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again. Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?”
‭‭Ecclesiastes‬ ‭3:19-21‬ ‭

I’d say since he’s promised a new creation and animals are part of the creation there will be animals on the new earth ot acrsully says they will be back at peace like before sin came and brought violence and death

The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them. And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭11:6-

lions who eat straw and an animal kingdom at peace as mankind will finally be also when he starts proclaiming he’s going to make a new creation he includes animals

“For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. …….The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭65:17, 25‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I’d say animals are defiantly going to be part of the new creation but I don’t think they’ll be in heaven but really there’s no proof either way on that one I think the new earth is thier home and no more lions eating lambs or bears mauling and cows a peaceful world is coming one day it is the promise of Jesus Christ our lord and there is clear evidence animals will be part of a new eternal creation as they were part of this fallen one
 

Pilgrimshope

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#47
I consider that our present sufferings are not comparable to the glory that will be
revealed in us. The creation waits in eager expectation for the revelation of the sons
of God. For the creation was subjected to futility, not by its own will, but because of
the One who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage
to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God. Romans 8:18-20


God made the beasts of the earth according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds,
and everything that crawls upon the earth according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.
and when he tells us of our future home the new creation to come he says they’ll be there too

“For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. ….But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy. And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.

The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭65:17-18, 24-25‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I’m thinking lions didn’t start out bekng carnivores but as with man death and violence is a result of corruption what was very good was corrupt and violence came forth and death

it seems God is going to restore what he created in the beginning in Christ incorruptible so even a lion will befriend the lambs truly a perfect version of this world we corrupted and destroyed through sin

what promises the lord God almighty and creator of all thkngs great and small has made to those who love the lord Jesus and his name
 

Webers.Home

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#48
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“For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall
not be remembered, nor come into mind. ….But be ye glad and rejoice for
ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and
her people a joy. And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will
answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.

The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like
the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor
destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.” Isaiah‬ ‭65:17-18, 24-25‬

Isa 65:20 speaks of aging and death. In the new cosmos, people are
immortal. (Rev 21:4)

Isa 11:8 speaks of children playing atop the lairs of deadly snakes. In the
new cosmos, there are no children. (Matt 22:30)
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Pilgrimshope

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#49
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Isa 65:20 speaks of aging and death. In the new cosmos, people are
immortal. (Rev 21:4)


Isa 11:8 speaks of children playing atop the lairs of deadly snakes. In the
new cosmos, there are no children. (Matt 22:30)
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insuppose if I couldn’t read and was reliant on someone I’ve never Mets personal Interpretations of scripture is have to agree but I can read

“For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.


…..But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.

….And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear. The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭65:17-18, 24-25‬ ‭KJV‬‬

isaiah 65 is a foretelling of a new creation to come it’s a beginning description but not completely unveiled as the Bible progresses scripture builds upon this stated truth it becomes more revealed through scriptire until our Hope is revealed

The prophetic writings are what the gospel is based upon Isaiah 65 is a foretelling of revelation 21 when it will be fulfilled also you have Peter confirming where this promise exists

“Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we Christian’s have a promised land also a new earth is going to include animals I don’t know why you would make those interpretations but I am more about learning what it says plainly and repetitively



Isaiah 11 ( as all the prophets are ) also Is about Christs kingdom

“And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: and the Spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD; and shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears: but with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked. And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins. The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them. And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox. And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea. And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭11:1-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

there’s no reason to remove context and interpret just follow along with scriptire it explains its own self it’s actually the design of scripture the new testsment reveals what the mysteries in the old never did

When reading the prophets foretellings of Christ and the gospel they are veiled with an earthly tone they are like seeing and hearing through a veil you see shapes but the New Testament removes the veil Isaiah 65 is a foretelling of revelation 21 it was just hidden behind a veil of sin and death before atonement just like God was hidden behind a dark cloud and pillar of fire

to study the Bible everyone would come to thy same conclusions if we were to just let scripture explain scriptires

but just my own belief and your entitled to yours
 

Webers.Home

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#50
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It wasn't till I read an excellent book by J.Dwight Pentecost titled "Things To
Come
" that I understood Messiah's kingdom will deploy in two phases.

The first phase lasts only a thousand years wherein life goes on as usual in
the current cosmos except that under Christ's auspices, the world will enjoy
a tremendous amount of peace and prosperity. Deserts will blossom as the
rose, soldiers will beat their swords into plowshares, a large percentage of
the folks who make it into the millennium won't be immortal but at least
their longevity will be increased, and little children can play with wild
animals and deadly snakes without danger.

A keynote of Messiah's millennial reign is justice. For now, only the rich can
afford it and drag out lawsuits sometimes for an entire decade; but during
the millennium, their money won't be an advantage. Also, certain political
hacks I could name (e.g. Hillary REDACTED and Hunter REDACTED) will be neither
shielded nor allowed to slide, and law enforcement agencies like the FBI
won't be conducting themselves as Geheime Staatspolizei, a.k.a. Gestapo.

NOTE: According to the Old Testament, God has never approved of jails
and/or penal systems. He seems to prefer swift versions of retribution rather
than confinement, e.g. whipping, stoning, hanging, reparations, slavery, and
eye for eye, tooth for tooth, burning for burning, bone for bone, and life for
life: now, no delay. So I think we can expect that same brand of criminal justice
in the first phase of Messiah's kingdom.

Another benefit to the millennium is private property. Not even in the USA
do folks have solid ownership of their land. At any time political bosses can
condemn our property and force us to give it up for freeways and public
developments. Especially cruel is re-zoning. Folks who can't afford higher
taxes are pretty much forced to sell in order to get out from under them.

Not much is known about the second phase of Messiah's kingdom. We're told
it's headquartered in a new Jerusalem situated on a new earth floating
around in a new cosmos. Everyone will be happy all the time, nobody will be
immoral, and murder and dishonesty will be a thing of the past.

Something else missing in the second phase is unbelievers; so we won't
have to worry about rebellions against Christ like the one predicted to occur
during the millennial phase.

Right now today, the Devil is a problem and would be a problem in the
second phase were he allowed to continue his nefarious activity; but not to
happen. After the rebellion, public enemy No.1 will be permanently incarcerated
in a prison consisting of fire and brimstone; which is sort of a 9th circle of Hell
except that Dante's version is ice.
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