Does the Book of Revelation tell us that those who refuse to take the MARK of the beast will be killed?

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WithinReason

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Does the Book of Revelation tell us that those who refuse to take the MARK of the beast will be killed?
Notice the words "should be":
Rev_13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.​

The possibility exists, and some indeed will be, but not all:

Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.​
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.​
1Th_4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.​
 

MyrtleTrees

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RFID is already being used by some companies. Facial recognition is also being used in Amazon shops.

I honestly believe we have seen a prelude of the mark of the beast in China. China works with AI and facial recognition punishing or rewarding her citizens. Chinese journalists with too many critique got travel bans and all.

While being in lockdown they have installed 5G in secret over many European countries. 5G is needed for mass surveillance when they want to connect AI to the web.

Tick tock...
I know people say it is being used in similiar formats. Though I can agree it may happen as you say - and soon - still, I prefer to say I don't know with 100% accuracy, as to me it isn't proper to say we know things before they happen (as only God has that ability). Not unless clearly said to happen in the Bible. But the book of Revelation uses much symbolism. And so not all may happen as what it means will happen.

I see the possibility, as I as I said. But I refrain from saying I absolutely know that it (the number of the beast) will happen in formats that people assume it may happen, based on what they know of it already taking place in some businesses, etc. Since I prefer not to claim absolute foreknowledge of things, the way God does. Humans can't have that kind of foreknowledge. Though yes, many may guess accurately at things like that.

I also think Christians aren't to stop praying for spiritual revival to take place in the world, based on the assumption that "it looks like we're approaching the end of the world, anyhow.' We are to continue working for God and letting Him guide us in our daily lives - not overly affected by what we assume "is probably going to happen."
 

MyrtleTrees

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You keep asking this but, "is" is present tense and the majority see it either past or future tense and so it remains unexplained.
I don't think anyone knows for sure what it is - though some think they know what it is. It's clear it has to do with agreeing to be ruled by the world and it's rulers or the one-world ruler, and has to do with rejecting Christ. Many think it may be a microchip implanted in people, or other ideas like that. Maybe so, but we as humans don't know with 100% accuracy - what it will be exactly - nor anything about the future. Only God has 100% accuracy in being able to foretell events, since He has foreknowledge of everything. And humans have no such ability.
 

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I don't think anyone knows for sure what it is - though some think they know what it is. It's clear it has to do with agreeing to be ruled by the world and it's rulers or the one-world ruler, and has to do with rejecting Christ. Many think it may be a microchip implanted in people, or other ideas like that. Maybe so, but we as humans don't know with 100% accuracy - what it will be exactly - nor anything about the future. Only God has 100% accuracy in being able to foretell events, since He has foreknowledge of everything. And humans have no such ability.
It is the mark of the beast.
Visible.
Has to do with worship of the beast.

Concerning the gentile bride,the mark is the line in the sand. It is refused by most and they are martyred.

The mark is the last bus to heaven for the gentile bride. ....or I should say the refusal and subsequent martyrdom is.
(The 5 foolish virgins)

Those living unholy lives are defiled. (As in already marked for judgement) ....a "mark "

Kinda like a tiny bit of poop in a brownie. Nobody would knowingly eat it,and God ain't going to for sure. He spews those defiled out of his mouth.

To think we can sit at his table with hidden sin,or open sin,is a fantasy world. My dad called it a fools paradise.

Those 5 foolish virgins are the ones Jesus says he spews from his mouth.
They are the ones that show up to the wedding with no garment.

Enter the mark. That evil is their chance. They have to refuse it. Now they can "stand up" they would not before...now they must.

We can disciple ourselves to walk Holy through the power of the Holy Spirit.
No other way.

Holines is proactive. Defilement is passive.

We are one or the other.
We build up into intimacy.

Intimacy is cultivated not instant.

That is why, even though the 5 foolish went and bought,it did not work.

Now they face the mark crossroad.
 
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Does the Book of Revelation tell us that those who refuse to take the MARK of the beast will be killed?
The mark or seal doctrine like most doctrines find their understanding in Genesis . Not in Revelation the end. John was well informed. The words spoken were to him as well as us. It did not leave him wondering, doubting, faithless .

The mark or seal of the beast of the field is natural unconverted mankind .The mark of faithless Cain .No belief in God not seen. No God in his heart. They are the ones that are killed by the letter of the law (death) never to rise to new life.

The Holy Spirit places a mark (mark my word) with the other seal . The seal of eternal life.

Natural unconverted mankind (666) will not rise on the last .day .

Those who do buy the truth of the gospel (beleive God) and did not sell it are sealed . Not like Esau who it seems was not sealed in the forehead with the gospel. Sold his spiritual birth rite for a bowl of Home made goat noodle soup. Seeing no value in the things of God.

Revelation 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. (mind)

Some today try and sell the buying and selling in Revelation in regard to the mark of Cain . teaching it has do with the things of flesh and blood as if we did wrestles against the temporal. Thing seen like food and shelter and not the eternal things not seen.

It would seem to describe the power of the spirit of air today. With his lying wonders looking to be fulfilled. God is no longer brining any new revelation but it became a opportunity for the father of lies to promote his signs wonders lies.

2 Thessalonians 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

We know wondering is not believing . Why wonder ? The last of the sign as a wonder was that of Jonas. Jesus fulfilled it. As it is written took away the wondering.

We walk by faith not by wondering.

Proverbs 23:23 Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding.
 
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Concerning the gentile bride,the mark is the line in the sand. It is refused by most and they are martyred.
Exactly the mark of Cain .No God his heart that alone comes from hearing the gospel He dragged his brother Abel the first apostle sent with the gospel, the first martyr into the corn field and plowed him under .

The mark . Men thinking out of sight out of their mind equals. . out of the sight of the eyes of God.(atheisms) The foundation of Paganism .Walk by wondering . No gospel yoked with Christ our rest .
 

MattforJesus

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Does the Book of Revelation tell us that those who refuse to take the MARK of the beast will be killed?
The Bible says the beast shall make war against the saints, and prevail against them, and they shall be given in to his hands for three and one half years, and when he shall accomplish to scatter the power of the holy people than all things are finished.

Then comes the end when the Son shall have delivered up the kingdom to the Father when He shall have put down all authority, power, and rule.

So there will be Christians the beast does not kill.

Rev 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

Rom 12:19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
Rom 12:20 Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.
Rom 12:21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

God warns the saints not to fight back and this is the patience and faith and Jesus will defeat them.
 

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I know people say it is being used in similiar formats. Though I can agree it may happen as you say - and soon - still, I prefer to say I don't know with 100% accuracy, as to me it isn't proper to say we know things before they happen (as only God has that ability). Not unless clearly said to happen in the Bible. But the book of Revelation uses much symbolism. And so not all may happen as what it means will happen.

I see the possibility, as I as I said. But I refrain from saying I absolutely know that it (the number of the beast) will happen in formats that people assume it may happen, based on what they know of it already taking place in some businesses, etc. Since I prefer not to claim absolute foreknowledge of things, the way God does. Humans can't have that kind of foreknowledge. Though yes, many may guess accurately at things like that.

I also think Christians aren't to stop praying for spiritual revival to take place in the world, based on the assumption that "it looks like we're approaching the end of the world, anyhow.' We are to continue working for God and letting Him guide us in our daily lives - not overly affected by what we assume "is probably going to happen."
It’s not probably happening. It is happening and was brought to us years ago with “ID2020”. :)
Bill Gates is an evil man who has tested his vaccins in poorer regions because people have no descent healthcare there nor a descennt justice system. They are testing biometric vaccins too.

I will not turn the other cheek when one is going to force vaccins on my household and me. It will be seen as attemptive murder.
 

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God warns the saints not to fight back and this is the patience and faith and Jesus will defeat them.
We must refuse the mark or will lose our salvation because we must worship the beast then. Doing nothing (and refusing the mark) will take your head off. It’s in the Bible.
 

MyrtleTrees

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It’s not probably happening. It is happening and was brought to us years ago with “ID2020”. :)
Bill Gates is an evil man who has tested his vaccins in poorer regions because people have no descent healthcare there nor a descennt justice system. They are testing biometric vaccins too.

I will not turn the other cheek when one is going to force vaccins on my household and me. It will be seen as attemptive murder.
Well it's not happening globally yet, I mean. I agree - I would also refuse to take such a vaccination. God says we aren't to knowingly harm ourselves or allow things to be done to ourselves that we don't feel full confidence from Him - that He approves of it! One may die for doing what's right - but it's worth it to always obey God in all things!
 

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The mark or seal doctrine like most doctrines find their understanding in Genesis . Not in Revelation the end. John was well informed. The words spoken were to him as well as us. It did not leave him wondering, doubting, faithless .

The mark or seal of the beast of the field is natural unconverted mankind .The mark of faithless Cain .No belief in God not seen. No God in his heart. They are the ones that are killed by the letter of the law (death) never to rise to new life.

The Holy Spirit places a mark (mark my word) with the other seal . The seal of eternal life.

Natural unconverted mankind (666) will not rise on the last .day .

Those who do buy the truth of the gospel (beleive God) and did not sell it are sealed . Not like Esau who it seems was not sealed in the forehead with the gospel. Sold his spiritual birth rite for a bowl of Home made goat noodle soup. Seeing no value in the things of God.

Revelation 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. (mind)

Some today try and sell the buying and selling in Revelation in regard to the mark of Cain . teaching it has do with the things of flesh and blood as if we did wrestles against the temporal. Thing seen like food and shelter and not the eternal things not seen.

It would seem to describe the power of the spirit of air today. With his lying wonders looking to be fulfilled. God is no longer brining any new revelation but it became a opportunity for the father of lies to promote his signs wonders lies.

2 Thessalonians 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

We know wondering is not believing . Why wonder ? The last of the sign as a wonder was that of Jonas. Jesus fulfilled it. As it is written took away the wondering.

We walk by faith not by wondering.

Proverbs 23:23 Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding.
I liked your collection of verses on the subject! Yes, I've noticed before - how scripture shows that God seals His people, for example. And that all those in the New Jerusalem will have God's seal on them.

Rev 22:4-5

4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.

5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.
KJV
Also, I believe that chapter 7, speaking of 'the sealing of the 12 tribes of Israel' in Revelation - to refer to God's people - which are also called "true Jews" in the New Testament.

Eph 2:20-22

20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:

22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
KJV
 

MyrtleTrees

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Heb 12:21-24

21 And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake:)

22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
KJV
 

MattforJesus

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We must refuse the mark or will lose our salvation because we must worship the beast then. Doing nothing (and refusing the mark) will take your head off. It’s in the Bible.
We fight back by refusing the mark of the beast, and having nothing to do with the New Age Christ, antichrist, but we cannot fight back physically as trying to hurt them, or taking them captive.
 

MattforJesus

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It’s not probably happening. It is happening and was brought to us years ago with “ID2020”. :)
Bill Gates is an evil man who has tested his vaccins in poorer regions because people have no descent healthcare there nor a descennt justice system. They are testing biometric vaccins too.

I will not turn the other cheek when one is going to force vaccins on my household and me. It will be seen as attemptive murder.
The mark of the beast, which the vaccination precedes the mark of the beast.

1.Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2.Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
3.Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
4.For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
5.For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer(1 Timothy 4:1-5).

God warns the saints of the new age movement, and their interpretation of the Bible based on the occult, and evolution, and people are still evolving to be spiritual provided by the New Age Christ, and Jesus is not Lord and Savior, but a good teacher and love, and the Christ conscience came upon him, and he evolved to be an ascended master, and believe in no personal God, but honor the God of forces, or the power of nature as their higher power, the evolutionary process, and the New Age Christ is the final teacher, and they believe the Christ conscience will come upon him, and he will evolve to be greater than Jesus, and share this power with all people who follow him.

They will forbid to marry for a man and a woman for population reduction, and command to abstain from meats, reverence of nature, mother earth.

The new age movement will pave the way to the beast kingdom for all people who do not love God where they will take the mark of the beast, and then repentance and salvation are no longer available to the world, and God will end sin on earth, and have His people will Him.

2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables(2 Timothy 4:2-4).

The time will come when the world will not want to hear the truth of the Bible, but want to hear it according to their own lusts the new age movement.

The New Age Christ will establish peace in the Middle East, and work as a great man of peace, and push the agenda of the new age movement in the world to prepare the world for when he claims to be God by harnessing the power of nature, and evolving, and will share this power with all people who follow him.

Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

chi xi stigma
khee xee stig'-ma
The 22nd, 14th and an obsolete letter (G4742 as a cross) of the Greek alphabet (intermediate between the 5th and 6th), used as numbers; denoting respectively 600, 60 and 6; 666 as a numeral: - six hundred threescore and six.

stigma
stig'-mah
From a primary word στίζω stizō (to “stick”, that is, prick); a mark incised or punched (for recognition of ownership), that is, (figuratively) scar of service: - mark.

The mark of the beast has to do with technology for the beast's agenda is there is no personal God to help mankind, and benefit them, but mankind's technology and devices can help to achieve peace on earth.

Which the mark will be a microchip just under the skin linked to satellite with all information about the person on the chip including finances, for no person can buy or sell without the mark, and if a crime happen they will know who was in the location and how close they were to the crime scene, and can locate people, and want things to operate smoother and better, but this is of people so it will not work out for only Jesus can bring true peace.

Going along with the beast's agenda and worshipping the beast precedes taking the mark of the beast, and when they take the mark then repentance and salvation are no longer available to the world, and God can end sin on earth.

They will use the excuse of the coronavirus to give all people a vaccine that is RNA genetic coding, nanotechnology, nanochips, so they can start tracking people, which this will condition them for a biometric system of a microchip just under the skin for they are used to being tracked anyway, which President Trump introduced this biometric system, and said if America had that in place 911 could of been avoided.

Dan 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
Dan 8:24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
Dan 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

Dan 11:36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.
Dan 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
Dan 11:38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.

The New Age Christ, beast, will be of the occult, and the occult believes in the power of numbers for they are about the power of nature, and the adding, timing, and grouping of numbers which they believe will give them more power through nature.

The number 6 is the number of a man, or the soul of a man, so the New Age Christ assigned himself the number 666, a triple 6, for he believes it will give him more power through nature to evolve to be greater and spiritual, and to establish his kingdom.
 
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The Bible says the beast shall make war against the saints, and prevail against them, and they shall be given in to his hands for three and one half years, and when he shall accomplish to scatter the power of the holy people than all things are finished.

Then comes the end when the Son shall have delivered up the kingdom to the Father when He shall have put down all authority, power, and rule.

So there will be Christians the beast does not kill.

Rev 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

Rom 12:19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
Rom 12:20 Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.
Rom 12:21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

God warns the saints not to fight back and this is the patience and faith and Jesus will defeat them.
I would offer to be killed is to be silenced.

The letter of the law the bible, what we see with our eye is the instrument of "death" . His living words; "you shall surely die". This shows another law (law of faith as it is written ) must come in along side in order to make one new perfect law .The just and justifier

Believers are sealed with the word of God. The letter of the law "death" cannot silence the believers persecutions they face with unredeemed mankind. The mark of Cain .

The two witness the law and the prophets . "The gospel." They will be silenced or killed for a short while .

When like before the reformation. When there was kings in Israel (abomination of desolation. )and Satan deceived all the nations, that the nation of the Jews gave the power to become children of God by following there oral tradition of the fathers and kings .

When the veil was rent from the top to the bottom. There was no Jewish King sitting in the holy place of faith . The false hope of many died.

The glory of the Lord had departed when the faithless elders gathered themselves together and demanded of Samael the prophet, apostle . . . a king like the rest of the Pagan nations of the world . They refused to believe in a God not seen as the King of kings. The time period was restored to the time of Judges. Men and woman prophets planting the seed of the gospel and watering with the word . The government of the church today

1 Samuel 8:4 Then all the elders of Israel gathered themselves together, and came to Samuel unto Ramah,

When the veil was rent (sign of circummsion of the first born, our bloody husband Christ. ) It represented the fall into the bottomless pit. Revelation 20.

Revelation 20.3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

The thousand year time period also began at the reformation . . . ."the last days" . It appears the veil will be stitched together in nick of time for a short time period. Many will be deceived. And then the end will come.

The letter of the law "Death" will be cast into the judgment of God. Never to rise again and deceive and kill a whole creation through corruption .. . You will not surely die.