Does the Holy Spirit convict the born again believer of sin?

[7seasrekeyed]

HELPS[SUP]TM[/SUP] Word-studies defines "strongholds" as follows:

3794 oxýrōma (from the root oxyroō, "fortify") – a fortified, military stronghold; a strong-walled fortress (A-S), used only in 2 Cor 10:4. Here 3794/oxýrōma ("a heavily-fortified containment") is used figuratively of a false argument in which a person seeks "shelter" ("a safe place") to escape reality.

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From Thayer's Greek Lexicon:

2. tropically, anything on which one relies: καθεῖλε τό ὀχύρωμα, ἐφ' ᾧ ἐπεποίθεισαν, Proverbs 21:22; ὀχύρωμα ὁσίου φόβος κυρίου, Proverbs 10:29; in 2 Corinthians 10:4 of the arguments and reasonings by which a disputant endeavors to fortify his opinion and defend it against his opponent.

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I like HELPS[SUP]TM[/SUP] definition – we devise false arguments and seek shelter to escape reality ("reality" being the imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God as shown in 2 Cor 10:5).

that seems to support the biblical definition of 'strongholds'

ie: well worn paths in our minds that do not agree with the word

 

[reneweddaybyday]

HELPS[SUP]TM[/SUP] Word-studies defines "strongholds" as follows:

3794 oxýrōma (from the root oxyroō, "fortify") – a fortified, military stronghold; a strong-walled fortress (A-S), used only in 2 Cor 10:4. Here 3794/oxýrōma ("a heavily-fortified containment") is used figuratively of a false argument in which a person seeks "shelter" ("a safe place") to escape reality.

HELPS[SUP]TM[/SUP] Word-studies
copyright © 1987, 2011 by Helps Ministries, Inc.
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From Thayer's Greek Lexicon:

2. tropically, anything on which one relies: καθεῖλε τό ὀχύρωμα, ἐφ' ᾧ ἐπεποίθεισαν, Proverbs 21:22; ὀχύρωμα ὁσίου φόβος κυρίου, Proverbs 10:29; in 2 Corinthians 10:4 of the arguments and reasonings by which a disputant endeavors to fortify his opinion and defend it against his opponent.

http://www.blbclassic.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G3794&t=KJV
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I like HELPS[SUP]TM[/SUP] definition – we devise false arguments and seek shelter to escape reality ("reality" being the imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God as shown in 2 Cor 10:5).

Clarification -

The "false arguments" are the imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God

"Reality" is the knowledge of God.


Apologies for any confusion.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Clarification -

The "false arguments" are the imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God

"Reality" is the knowledge of God.


Apologies for any confusion.

still good

 

[Limey410v2]

I fully agree, however, what I said above about the conscience bears out when studied.....thanks for the input bro....

Absolutely, my "however" should have been " and to add to that"

 

[gotime]

Your words; "The context is quite clear that it is the one who is born again who does not sin."

This is a false gospel and can lead to harmful long term effects.

Quote:
"The confession of sins is a necessary consequence of "walking in the light" (1Jo 1:7). "If thou shalt confess thyself a sinner, the truth is in thee; for the truth is itself light. Not yet has thy life become perfectly light, as sins are still in thee, but yet thou hast already begun to be illuminated,
because there is in thee confession of sins", [Augustine].

Attribute: http://biblehub.com/1_john/1-8.htm

Thank you for your replies, I take them with good intent.

I stand by what I have said, It is not uncommon for the words we and us to be used by the apostles and the prophets even when they themselves were not included.

It seems that you have not acknowledged that John clearly indicates they do not have fellowship with Christ even though they are believers.

To be born again is no natural thing and thus we should expect miraculous results. I testify to the power of God to save from sin. I speak of that which I now know and have experienced. Do I claim to be without sin?

I have made no such claim, In fact all I have claimed is what the word said, and I testify that it is true. Sin no longer rules over those who are born again and in fact has no power. I cannot speak of anything except that which I know.



Blessings.

 

[MarcR]

Thank you for your replies, I take them with good intent.

I stand by what I have said, It is not uncommon for the words we and us to be used by the apostles and the prophets even when they themselves were not included.

It seems that you have not acknowledged that John clearly indicates they do not have fellowship with Christ even though they are believers.

To be born again is no natural thing and thus we should expect miraculous results. I testify to the power of God to save from sin. I speak of that which I now know and have experienced. Do I claim to be without sin?

I have made no such claim, In fact all I have claimed is what the word said, and I testify that it is true. Sin no longer rules over those who are born again and in fact has no power. I cannot speak of anything except that which I know.



Blessings.

It seems that you have not acknowledged that John clearly indicates they do not have fellowship with Christ even though they are believers.

Please clarify. I don't see this. Can you give the address so I can see what you are talking about?

 

[stonesoffire]

​When a person says I don't disagree, it's more of a neutral word. You're not really committing to agreement, but you're not disagreeing either.

​It's might be used when someone hasn't done the research themselves so they can't agree or disagree. Or someone might not want to commit to saying they agree, so they say I don't disagree.

I had a sense you were agreeing, but instead you said I don't disagree which is neutral. But maybe you are neutral, so that's why I asked. Wanted a clarification there is all.

I've also noticed that when there's arguing or disagreement, the one who can't disagree doesn't want to agree. So they say they don't disagree. It happens a lot.

I think, you are overthinking it.

 

[Locutus]

I knew I was convicted the moment I took a look at me clothes..

 

[stonesoffire]

so you don't agree when scripture calls strongholds the thoughts in our minds that disagree with the Bible?

the Bible tells us that strongholds are incorrect thinking habits

we tear these down by the word of God, HIS word...we renew our minds with that same word

here is a very simple and biblical explanation about strongholds. I agree with this explanation from GOT QUESTIONS

Question: "Spiritual strongholds - what is the biblical view?"

Answer: The word strongholds is found once in the New Testament, used metaphorically by Paul in a description of the Christian’s spiritual battle: “Though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh, for the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh, but divinely powerful for the destruction of fortresses [strongholds]” (2 Corinthians 10:3-4, NASB). This passage reveals the following facts about our warfare:

1) Our battle is not planned according to the way this world fights; earthly stratagems are not our concern.

2) Our weapons are not physical, for our warfare is spiritual in nature. Rather than guns and tanks, our weapons are those of the “full armor of God” and consist of “the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God” (Ephesians 6:14-17).

3) Our power comes from God alone.

4) God’s plan is to demolish spiritual strongholds.

What are these “strongholds” or “fortifications” we face? In the very next verse, Paul interprets the metaphor: “We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ” (2 Corinthians 10:5). The “arguments” are the philosophies, reasonings, and schemes of the world. The “pretensions” have to do with anything proud, man-centered, and self-confident.

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I have no idea why you say I am disagreeing about strongholds of the mind. You are interjecting again, your own thoughts.

You dont know what the first word was. It was meant for a few. So how could you understand the second? and neither could Meggido.

 

[stonesoffire]

I knew I was convicted the moment I took a look at me clothes..

The new line for fall? Literally! Lol a fall...

 

[Locutus]

Yes it's the fall lineup...

 

[stonesoffire]

Must I fall in line?


How how far can we go with this? Haha

 

[Locutus]

Yer fell for it so far...

 

[stonesoffire]

Fall in line then!

nah, scratch that...hmmm..

*sigh*

you win.

 

[Locutus]

No, please, after you - ladies first (that's how it was in the garden)...

 

[stonesoffire]

No, please, after you - ladies first (that's how it was in the garden)...

Aw, just take a bite..

 

[Locutus]

Once bitten...

 

[stonesoffire]

Twice shy...it's his fault..

 

[Locutus]

 

[PeterJens]

When we get the understanding that "whatsoever is not of faith is sin" - then we will appreciate the Holy Spirit's role in convincing/convicting us believers that we are the righteousness of God in Christ because Jesus has gone to the Father and now stands as our Advocate.

Just as Jesus said in John 16:10 and John said in 1 John 2:1.



This is what the Holy Spirit convinces/convicts the believer of concerning Christ.

John 16:10

[SUP]10 [/SUP] and concerning righteousness, because I ( Jesus ) go to the Father and you ( believers ) no longer see Me;

1 John 2:1-2 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous;

The understanding of righteousness is paramount in growing up in the Lord as grace reigns through righteousness. Rom. 5:21

The proper understanding of righteousness releases the power of grace to operate in our lives like it was meant to. Grace teaches us how to live godly in this present world. Titus 2:11-12

This is why the enemy fights so much about the righteousness of God in Christ given as a gift to the believer when they receive Christ when they hear the gospel message of Him and that their sins are forgiven because of the blood of Jesus.

I encourage us to feed ourselves on how to walk out this righteousness that is ours in Christ as a gift.

Here is a minister that is anointed to teach on this area of "Awake to righteousness and sin not". She has the gift from the Lord to teach how to practically work out the righteousness that is in us in our every day struggles.

There are about 12 episodes of about 24 minutes each. Here is the first one for those that are interested.

Be blessed! You are the righteousness of God in Christ - Let's us all "awake to this truth and walk free in all areas of our life by the power of the Holy Spirit as He transforms us as we behold the glory/goodness of the Lord as in a mirror."

We participate in this with Him because it is God who is at work in us both to will and to do of His good pleasure. Phil. 2:13

The good news is the kingdom of heaven has come to earth.
Because we are in the Kingdom we are empowered by love working in our hearts to walk like Jesus.

If you did not know that is our inheritance, you have not been listening to Him.

The poison some are teaching is if anyone talks about behaviour and sin, they are not of God.

But my friends this is our message, how we have been set free from sin to walk in His glorious
light. Walking in the light means sin is exposed and cannot be hidden,neither does it need
to be because through sorrow and repentance issues are resolved.

That is the power of the cross, not just to make us safe but show us how to love and how
to express it. It is dynamic, not isolated, reaching out, not shying away.

I glory in Christ that He has made this a reality for His people. Just pray now, and ask Him
to heal and free you as you humble yourself in repentance, and He will lift you up. Amen.