Does the Last Day include the whole millennium?

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GaryA

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Connecting those two Scriptures to arrive at that interpretation requires ignoring that Christ has already reigned for 2000 years.
He has not already reigned for 2000 years.

(by any definition according to scripture with regard to His 1000-year reign [on earth])

You have made a grave error in coming to such a conclusion!
 

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He has not already reigned for 2000 years.

(by any definition according to scripture with regard to His 1000-year reign [on earth])

You have made a grave error in coming to such a conclusion!
What do you think he’s been doing since ascending Gary?
 

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What do you think he’s been doing since ascending Gary?
Psalms 110:

1 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool. 2 The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies.

Matthew 22:

41 While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them, 42 Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The Son of David. 43 He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying, 44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool? 45 If David then call him Lord, how is he his son? 46 And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions.

Mark 12:

35 And Jesus answered and said, while he taught in the temple, How say the scribes that Christ is the Son of David? 36 For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool. 37 David therefore himself calleth him Lord; and whence is he then his son?

Luke 20:

41 And he said unto them, How say they that Christ is David's son? 42 And David himself saith in the book of Psalms, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, 43 Till I make thine enemies thy footstool. 44 David therefore calleth him Lord, how is he then his son?

Hebrews 1:

13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

Hebrews 10:

12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; 13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.

He has been sitting at the right hand of the Father while the Father makes His enemies His footstool.

The Father reigns always. The Son is not reigning yet - His time to reign starts with His 1000-year reign on earth - with those the Bible says will reign with Him - and continues ever after.

Revelation 20:

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Have those who did not worship the beast (still future) reign with Christ yet?

Have those who had a part in the first resurrection (still future) reign with Christ yet?
 

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Why did you not answer my question?

If the Hebrew says "and there was evening and there was morning" - does that not indicate specifically exactly one dark-light cycle?

:coffee:
Nothing says it would be impossible for a day of any length of time that could not produce both day and night hours when it comes to God.
 

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Nothing says it would be impossible for a day of any length of time that could not produce both day and night hours when it comes to God.
We all know that God can do anything - but, the common-sense question is 'What would God do?'.

And, I believe it is reasonable to expect that God did not change the length of the day every other day during Creation Week - or any such similar thing...
 

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We all know that God can do anything - but, the common-sense question is 'What would God do?'.

And, I believe it is reasonable to expect that God did not change the length of the day every other day during Creation Week - or any such similar thing...
My original answer said it could be either way because I applied the factor of God into the combination. But whether it was 7 x 24 hour days or 7,000 years still doesn't take away from the concept of 14 days if 7 days were 24 hours and 7 days were the structure of 1,000 days = 1 24 day. It still can be defined as I stated.
 

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The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; 13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
Yep-- sounds like reigning.
 
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The last day is when believers in Jesus are resurrected (John 6:40) and also when unbelievers are judged (John 12:48). But Revelation Chapter 20 puts 1000 years between the first resurrection and the great white throne judgment (according to premillennialism). So does the last day span the entire 1000 years?

My proposed answer is yes. Because when Jesus comes as the light of the world, there is no night in the New Jerusalem (Rev. 21:25; 22:5), which I think comes to earth at the beginning of the millennium. Zechariah 14:7 (NKJV) similarly says regarding the day of the LORD that "at evening time it shall happen that it will be light". So if there is no night, then the last day will continue forever in the New Jerusalem.

There could still be solar days and nights, months, and years, based on the movement of the sun, earth, and moon, but at least there is no contradiction with the the great white throne judgment taking place 1000 years later. What do you think?
This is why keeping God's Feast Days are so important. They reveal God's 7000 year plan.

2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

The week including the weekly Sabbath reveal the seven thousand year plan with the Sabbath as the type of the Millennium.

The Passover pictures Christ's sacrifice that reconciles us to the Father...

Rom 5:8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
Rom 5:9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him.
Rom 5:10 For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

Notice that we are saved by Christ's life, His resurrection from the dead.

Next are the Days of Unleavened Bread. The picture of us repenting and striving to put sin out of our lives...

1Co 5:6 Your glorying is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump?
1Co 5:7 Therefore purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, since you truly are unleavened. For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us.
1Co 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

Notice here Paul admonishes us to keep the Feast of Unleavened Bread.

Next is the Feast of Pentecost picturing the giving of the Holy Spirit and the birth of the New Testament Church.

Now we come to the fall Feasts beginning with the Feast of Trumpets picturing the return of Christ...

Mat 24:31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Rev 11:15 Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, "The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!"

1Co_15:52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

1Th 4:13 But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope.
1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.
1Th 4:15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.
1Th 4:17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.

Notice we meet Him in the air? In the Earth's atmosphere. Now where does Christ go from here?

Zec 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD is coming, And your spoil will be divided in your midst.
Verse 4 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, Which faces Jerusalem on the east. And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two, From east to west, Making a very large valley; Half of the mountain shall move toward the north And half of it toward the south.

We do not go to Heaven, Christ comes back to the Earth.

Joh 14:1 "Let not your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me.
Joh 14:2 In My Father's house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
Joh 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also.

We just read where He will be...

Zec 14:4 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, Which faces Jerusalem on the east.

Next we have the Day of Atonement...

I will continue in the next post.
 
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The Day of Atonement...

Lev 16:2 and the LORD said to Moses: "Tell Aaron your brother not to come at just any time into the Holy Place inside the veil, before the mercy seat which is on the ark, lest he die; for I will appear in the cloud above the mercy seat.
Lev 16:3 "Thus Aaron shall come into the Holy Place: with the blood of a young bull as a sin offering, and of a ram as a burnt offering.
Lev 16:4 He shall put the holy linen tunic and the linen trousers on his body; he shall be girded with a linen sash, and with the linen turban he shall be attired. These are holy garments. Therefore he shall wash his body in water, and put them on.
Lev 16:5 And he shall take from the congregation of the children of Israel two kids of the goats as a sin offering, and one ram as a burnt offering.
Lev 16:6 "Aaron shall offer the bull as a sin offering, which is for himself, and make atonement for himself and for his house.
Lev 16:7 He shall take the two goats and present them before the LORD at the door of the tabernacle of meeting.
Lev 16:8 Then Aaron shall cast lots for the two goats: one lot for the LORD and the other lot for the scapegoat.
Lev 16:9 And Aaron shall bring the goat on which the LORD's lot fell, and offer it as a sin offering.

The goat that the LORD's lot fell on was the picture of Christ and His sacrifice for sin.

Now for the other goat...

Lev 16:10 But the goat on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make atonement upon it, and to let it go as the scapegoat into the wilderness.

Notice this goat is not sacrificed or killed? Let's read about this goat...

Rev 20:1 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
Rev 20:2 He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years;
Rev 20:3 and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished. But after these things he must be released for a little while.

This goat pictures Satan being cast into the bottomless pit. After all, the Archangel Satan cannot die...

Luk 20:35 But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage;
Luk 20:36 nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.

With Satan unable to influence man, we mankind can become At One With God.

Next is the Feast of Tabernacles. A seven day Feast that pictures the Millennium...

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

The Millennium is 1000 years of the resurrected Saints ruling on Earth with Christ.

Rev 5:10 And have made us kings and priests to our God; And we shall reign on the earth."

Now in Rev 20:5 we read about the rest of the dead who did not live again until after the thousand years. What about them?

The Eighth Day, The last Great Day...

John 7:37 On the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out, saying, "If anyone thirsts, let him come to Me and drink.

Salvation is now open to those who have not been called and not had an opportunity for salvation...

Joh 6:44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day.

Act_2:39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call."

Eph 1:4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love,
Eph 1:5 having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will,

Not predestined to be saved or lost but predestined to be called either now or in the Second resurrection, the Great White Throne Judgment. Those called today will be in the First Resurrection at the return of Christ. Those called in the Great White Throne Judgment will have their opportunity after the Millennium.

Rev 20:11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.

What books were opened? All 66 of them. Their is a miracle that must occur in every persons mind...

Luk 24:45 And He opened their understanding, that they might comprehend the Scriptures.

Some now but most later in the Second Resurrection, the Great White Throne Judgment.

Finally, there is one more resurrection, the Third resurrection...

Rev 20:13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works.
Rev 20:14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

Please note there is no mention of opening the Books plural here. These people have already made their decision and it is that they do not want any part of God's Kingdom. So God mercifully puts them out of existence for all eternity.

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Notice the wages of sin is eternal death, not eternal life in an ever burning fire. The fire burns everything physical on the
earth up...

2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.
2Pe 3:11 Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness,
2Pe 3:12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat?
2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.


Notice that the wages of sin is DEATH not eternal life in everburning hell.

After the Lake of Fire, then the Father brings New Jerusalem to the Earth...

Rev 21:1 Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2 Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, "Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God.
Rev 21:4 And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away."
Rev 21:5 Then He who sat on the throne said, "Behold, I make all things new." And He said to me, "Write, for these words are true and faithful."
Rev 21:6 And He said to me, "It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give of the fountain of the water of life freely to him who thirsts.
Rev 21:7 He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son.

The actual outline of God's plan is found in Lev 23. You can read it for yourself. I will make one comment about it...

Lev 23:2 "Speak to the children of Israel, and say to them: 'The feasts of the LORD, which you shall proclaim to be holy convocations, these are My feasts.

These are God's Feasts, not the Jews. If your Bible says these are the Feasts of the Jews, return it and get your money back, it contains misprints.
 
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The above is a bare bones outline. There are many more scriptures that fill in the information but that is why the Bible is a large book. You need to read it for yourself. If you understand the plan outlined by the Feast days then you are most likely called today, if not, then you may be called in the Great White Throne Judgment.
 

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Christ is seated at the right hand of the Father making intercession for the saints. He is not ruling and reigning. He will take his throne upon his second coming.
Read Rev 19 and get back to me.

Before the wedding, before the war, before the white horse....

For the Lord our God, the All-Powerful, reigns!

He has a name written on his clothing and on his thigh: “King of kings and Lord of lords.”

And well before any of that-- from the slaying of the lamb--

“To the one seated on the throne and to the Lamb
be praise, honor, glory, and ruling power forever and ever!”
 

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There are alot of problems with all the millennial views yeah.

Premills weaknesses include:
Death existing after the second coming
Death exists after the second coming in Amill as well.


Goes against all the parables of Jesus
It doesn't go against anything Jesus taught. All scripture and all writers are Premill.
 
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The Day of Atonement...

Lev 16:2 and the LORD said to Moses: "Tell Aaron your brother not to come at just any time into the Holy Place inside the veil, before the mercy seat which is on the ark, lest he die; for I will appear in the cloud above the mercy seat.
Lev 16:3 "Thus Aaron shall come into the Holy Place: with the blood of a young bull as a sin offering, and of a ram as a burnt offering.
Lev 16:4 He shall put the holy linen tunic and the linen trousers on his body; he shall be girded with a linen sash, and with the linen turban he shall be attired. These are holy garments. Therefore he shall wash his body in water, and put them on.
Lev 16:5 And he shall take from the congregation of the children of Israel two kids of the goats as a sin offering, and one ram as a burnt offering.
Lev 16:6 "Aaron shall offer the bull as a sin offering, which is for himself, and make atonement for himself and for his house.
Lev 16:7 He shall take the two goats and present them before the LORD at the door of the tabernacle of meeting.
Lev 16:8 Then Aaron shall cast lots for the two goats: one lot for the LORD and the other lot for the scapegoat.
Lev 16:9 And Aaron shall bring the goat on which the LORD's lot fell, and offer it as a sin offering.

The goat that the LORD's lot fell on was the picture of Christ and His sacrifice for sin.

Now for the other goat...

Lev 16:10 But the goat on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make atonement upon it, and to let it go as the scapegoat into the wilderness.

Notice this goat is not sacrificed or killed? Let's read about this goat...

Rev 20:1 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
Rev 20:2 He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years;
Rev 20:3 and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished. But after these things he must be released for a little while.

This goat pictures Satan being cast into the bottomless pit. After all, the Archangel Satan cannot die...

Luk 20:35 But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage;
Luk 20:36 nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.

With Satan unable to influence man, we mankind can become At One With God.

Next is the Feast of Tabernacles. A seven day Feast that pictures the Millennium...

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

The Millennium is 1000 years of the resurrected Saints ruling on Earth with Christ.

Rev 5:10 And have made us kings and priests to our God; And we shall reign on the earth."

Now in Rev 20:5 we read about the rest of the dead who did not live again until after the thousand years. What about them?

The Eighth Day, The last Great Day...

John 7:37 On the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out, saying, "If anyone thirsts, let him come to Me and drink.

Salvation is now open to those who have not been called and not had an opportunity for salvation...

Joh 6:44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day.

Act_2:39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call."

Eph 1:4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love,
Eph 1:5 having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will,

Not predestined to be saved or lost but predestined to be called either now or in the Second resurrection, the Great White Throne Judgment. Those called today will be in the First Resurrection at the return of Christ. Those called in the Great White Throne Judgment will have their opportunity after the Millennium.

Rev 20:11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.

What books were opened? All 66 of them. Their is a miracle that must occur in every persons mind...

Luk 24:45 And He opened their understanding, that they might comprehend the Scriptures.

Some now but most later in the Second Resurrection, the Great White Throne Judgment.

Finally, there is one more resurrection, the Third resurrection...

Rev 20:13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works.
Rev 20:14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

Please note there is no mention of opening the Books plural here. These people have already made their decision and it is that they do not want any part of God's Kingdom. So God mercifully puts them out of existence for all eternity.

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Notice the wages of sin is eternal death, not eternal life in an ever burning fire. The fire burns everything physical on the
earth up...

2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.
2Pe 3:11 Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness,
2Pe 3:12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat?
2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.


Notice that the wages of sin is DEATH not eternal life in everburning hell.

After the Lake of Fire, then the Father brings New Jerusalem to the Earth...

Rev 21:1 Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2 Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, "Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God.
Rev 21:4 And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away."
Rev 21:5 Then He who sat on the throne said, "Behold, I make all things new." And He said to me, "Write, for these words are true and faithful."
Rev 21:6 And He said to me, "It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give of the fountain of the water of life freely to him who thirsts.
Rev 21:7 He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son.

The actual outline of God's plan is found in Lev 23. You can read it for yourself. I will make one comment about it...

Lev 23:2 "Speak to the children of Israel, and say to them: 'The feasts of the LORD, which you shall proclaim to be holy convocations, these are My feasts.

These are God's Feasts, not the Jews. If your Bible says these are the Feasts of the Jews, return it and get your money back, it contains misprints.
Yes, the seven feasts are definitely rich with prophetic meaning. But I would say that for the Day of Atonement, both goats represent Christ. He died and He also took our sins far away. I don't think Satan is the scapegoat.

As for the feast of Tabernacles, yes, it seems to represent the Millennium, as we see this celebrated in Zechariah 14:16.

But Paul also said this:

Colossians 2:16 (ESV) Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. 17 These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ.
 

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Death exists after the second coming in Amill as well.
In what version of amillennialism would that be? All versions I know of have "death dying" at the second coming when the resurrection of all, just and unjust occurs, at the end of which death and hades are thrown into the lake of fire.
 
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He has not already reigned for 2000 years.

(by any definition according to scripture with regard to His 1000-year reign [on earth])

You have made a grave error in coming to such a conclusion!
Well, Christ has been reigning at the right hand of God and in the hearts of believers since his ascension
until the end comes, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all his enemies,
the last of which is death. When it says "everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include
God himself, who put everything under Christ. When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject
to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all. (1Cor. 15:24-28)
 

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Read Rev 19 and get back to me.

Before the wedding, before the war, before the white horse....

For the Lord our God, the All-Powerful, reigns!

He has a name written on his clothing and on his thigh: “King of kings and Lord of lords.”

And well before any of that-- from the slaying of the lamb--

“To the one seated on the throne and to the Lamb
be praise, honor, glory, and ruling power forever and ever!”
Revelation 19 is his second coming in the future. It is the fulfillment of Matthew 25. When…and then…

31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
 
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The last day is when believers in Jesus are resurrected (John 6:40) and also when unbelievers are judged (John 12:48). But Revelation Chapter 20 puts 1000 years between the first resurrection and the great white throne judgment (according to premillennialism). So does the last day span the entire 1000 years?

My proposed answer is yes. Because when Jesus comes as the light of the world, there is no night in the New Jerusalem (Rev. 21:25; 22:5), which I think comes to earth at the beginning of the millennium. Zechariah 14:7 (NKJV) similarly says regarding the day of the LORD that "at evening time it shall happen that it will be light". So if there is no night, then the last day will continue forever in the New Jerusalem.

There could still be solar days and nights, months, and years, based on the movement of the sun, earth, and moon, but at least there is no contradiction with the the great white throne judgment taking place 1000 years later. What do you think?
You have to consider the audience and the age. The last day for the age of Adam was the flood.

The last day for the Jews and the law was somewhere around 70 AD.
 
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You have to consider the audience and the age. The last day for the age of Adam was the flood.

The last day for the Jews and the law was somewhere around 70 AD.
dispensationalism today, we in the Gospel of Grace given by God once for us all to choose to believe God and not even self, learning to listen , at least me seeing this now, growing up into maturity, not that I know all, God does and I depend on that as in Luke 21:14-15 The mysteries can only be revealed by God to one, anyone when the time is right from God to reveal it, to me at least
This I see, "God does love us all y'all" please, no billy goats, no Butts or butting into the truth of God just loves us all, otherwise Son would not have ever gone to that cross willingly or would he have? you decide I have thank you