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1 Peter 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
1 Peter 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
1 Peter 1:20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
1 Peter 1:21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
1 Peter 1:22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
1 Peter 1:24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:
1 Peter 1:25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.
Water baptism has never saved anyone, nor will it ever save anyone. It's the BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST! Without the shedding of blood, THERE IS NO REMISSION. (Hebrews 9:22)
1 Peter 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
1 Peter 1:20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
1 Peter 1:21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
1 Peter 1:22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
1 Peter 1:24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:
1 Peter 1:25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.
Water baptism has never saved anyone, nor will it ever save anyone. It's the BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST! Without the shedding of blood, THERE IS NO REMISSION. (Hebrews 9:22)
1 Cor. 12:13 is not water baptism.
It is about the Baptism of the Spirit (Eph. 4:5).
The Promise of the Spirit is when the Holy Ghost comes and dwells inside the new believer and seals him unto the Day of Redemption. This takes place at the moment of conversion (Eph. 1:13).
Therefore, it is referring to the baptism of the Holy Spirit.
Galatians 3:24-28
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. [SUP]25 [/SUP]But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. [SUP]26 [/SUP]For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. [SUP]27 [/SUP]For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. [SUP]28 [/SUP]There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal. 3:27 tells us that those of us who have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Again, it is not water that puts us into Jesus Christ.
But it is the Holy Ghost which puts us into the Body of Christ (1 Cor. 12:13).
Again, Acts is a transitional book.
The baptism of the Spirit is what places the new convert into Jesus Christ (1 Cor. 12:13 and Gal. 3:27).
Those verses which I listed teach on the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. They show what happens how one receives the Holy Spirit and when the new convert is baptized by the Holy Spirit into the Body of the Lord Jesus Christ.
You need to start comparing Scripture with Scripture.
The best commentator on the Bible is the Bible.
Gal. 3:27, Rom. 6:3-4, and 1 Cor. 12:13 teach on the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, where the new convert has been placed into Jesus Christ.
The one Baptism that is in effect today and that places us into Jesus Christ is the Baptism of the Holy Ghost (Eph. 1:13, Eph. 4:5, 1 Cor. 12:13).
Water Baptism is simply a FIGURE of the One Baptism (Baptism of the Holy Spirit) of Ephesians 4:5.
Sometimes I wonder if certain ones don't grasp this because instead of coming to Christ for salvation through His Cross they come as willing ones to do what it takes to gain His favor.
This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
(Gal 3:2)
This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
(Gal 3:2)
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I hope you are not a lawyer. If you were, you would have no chance of winning your case. You repeatedly insert "Spirit baptism" into places it does not belong. What's more, you can't even say why you put it there, except to say it belongs there. All of these man-made dispensations you keep referring to are unscriptural.
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Exactly, those who are counting on their good works to save them will have a hard time grasping the precious Scriptural truth of the Baptism of the Holy Ghost. As well as the Doctrine of Salvation by Grace through Faith.
After all, because they are self righteous, they will twist the Scriptures, in order to attempt to prove that their works have a part in their salvation.
So instead of coming to Christ and trusting in His finished work on Calvary alone, they will trust Christ and water baptism. Just as the Campbellites do. Which is why the campbellites have what is called the "H2O complex" which means where ever they see the word 'Baptism' in the Scriptures, they always place water into the text even if water does not show up anywhere in the Context within 10 chapters of either direction.
jn 3:5----------------spirit ++++++++++water>>>>>>>>in the kingdom
1cor12:13-----------spirit+++++++++++baptized>>>>>in the body
The bible cannot make it anymore plain that born of water of jn 3:5 is equivalent to baptized of 1 Cor 12:13.
No one is baptized with the Holy Spirit today, no bible verse promises that baptism yet people continue to force it into various text to avoid the truth that water baptism is the means by which God saves.
F.F. Bruce: “baptism in the New Testament is always baptism in water unless the context shows it to be something else; that is to say, the word is always to be understood literally unless the context indicates a figurative meaning” (Questions Answered, p. 106).
So proper exegesis demands that the baptism in Eph 4:5; Gal 3:27; Rom 6:3-5; Col 2:12,13; are all literal immersion in water.
1cor12:13-----------spirit+++++++++++baptized>>>>>in the body
The bible cannot make it anymore plain that born of water of jn 3:5 is equivalent to baptized of 1 Cor 12:13.
No one is baptized with the Holy Spirit today, no bible verse promises that baptism yet people continue to force it into various text to avoid the truth that water baptism is the means by which God saves.
F.F. Bruce: “baptism in the New Testament is always baptism in water unless the context shows it to be something else; that is to say, the word is always to be understood literally unless the context indicates a figurative meaning” (Questions Answered, p. 106).
So proper exegesis demands that the baptism in Eph 4:5; Gal 3:27; Rom 6:3-5; Col 2:12,13; are all literal immersion in water.
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To SeaBass, Sorry, but your problem is that you are not skilled enough in reading,you can not see what the words are saying. You can not see the figurative meaning of Col. 2:11-12, F.F.Bruce would call is a figurative use of Baptism, ie. the baptism of the Spirit by which we died to sin and were made alive to Jesus by the new birth of the Spirit. Paul just said ,"you were circumcised with out hands" in v. 11. This is what Paul said in Rom.6:3-4 and in Eph 4:5 and 1Cor 12:13, and in Gal.3:27 only the Holy Spirit can baptize into Christ. Then we can by our actions can put on the deeds of Christ, fruit of the spirit, deeds of love. Love to all, Hoffco
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We need to answer, no, water baptism does not, in and of it self, does not save us. we must be born of the Spirit and repent, trust Jesus and obey Jesus to be saved; SO, one of the things we do in our obedience is: getting water baptized,! This is how bap. by water saves, it is the showing of our Faith and loyalty to Jesus. If we love Jesus, He said , you will obey Me.! RIGHT? RIGHT!
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People can use logical arguments all day long, but no quote unquote human logic can undo the command Jesus gave to be baptized by BOTH water and spirit i in order to enter the kingdom (John 3:3-7). there exeptions? yes. but they don't discredit what God Himself said. God is merciful...for example the man on the cross next to him that repented and was told he would be with Jesus in paradise (Luke 23). Read your Bible for the ultimate resource, and let the Holy Spirit guide you. personally I would say that baptism is very important if you have the ability and knowledge about it.
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1 Peter 3:21 "[FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also--not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ,"[/FONT]
[FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Yes, baptism saves, however, It is possible to lose that salvation.
Romans 6:1+ "[/FONT]What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2 By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? 3 Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 [FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death[/FONT][FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][/FONT][FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif] in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead[/FONT][FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][/FONT][FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif] through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.[/FONT]
[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]So how do you know if someone is relying on grace or just taking advantage of it? Afterall, all sin and fall short of the glory of God. [/FONT]
This is how you know, (but keep in mind judgement belongs to God). Did you pay attention to what it said? We do not LIVE in sin any longer. You know the difference between visiting some where and living there, right? When you live some where it is not a spur of the moment mistake- but planned out, future tense, and is an ongoing occurrence[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif].
Yes addictions are strong- but NOT impossible. God says I can do all things through Christ Who gives me strength. Who is anyone to call God a liar?
No, God says... [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]We know that anyone born of God does not continue to sin; the One who was born of God keeps them safe, and the evil one cannot harm them.[/FONT]
[FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]I myself have quit the sin of smoking, fornication, drunkenness, and even though I have other sinful habits I'm working on, I don't even visit those old ones any more. I've grown, and we know whatever does not grow dies- this is true even spiritually. If you compare me against yesterday, you may not see much difference. But if you compare me against 10, 20, 30 years ago you will see a big difference. If someone is in Christ for 40 years and you see no difference, they are deceiving themself if they call themself a Christian. [/FONT]
[FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Yes, baptism saves, however, It is possible to lose that salvation.
Romans 6:1+ "[/FONT]What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2 By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? 3 Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 [FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death[/FONT][FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][/FONT][FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif] in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead[/FONT][FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][/FONT][FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif] through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.[/FONT]
[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]So how do you know if someone is relying on grace or just taking advantage of it? Afterall, all sin and fall short of the glory of God. [/FONT]
This is how you know, (but keep in mind judgement belongs to God). Did you pay attention to what it said? We do not LIVE in sin any longer. You know the difference between visiting some where and living there, right? When you live some where it is not a spur of the moment mistake- but planned out, future tense, and is an ongoing occurrence[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif].
Yes addictions are strong- but NOT impossible. God says I can do all things through Christ Who gives me strength. Who is anyone to call God a liar?
No, God says... [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]We know that anyone born of God does not continue to sin; the One who was born of God keeps them safe, and the evil one cannot harm them.[/FONT]
[FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]I myself have quit the sin of smoking, fornication, drunkenness, and even though I have other sinful habits I'm working on, I don't even visit those old ones any more. I've grown, and we know whatever does not grow dies- this is true even spiritually. If you compare me against yesterday, you may not see much difference. But if you compare me against 10, 20, 30 years ago you will see a big difference. If someone is in Christ for 40 years and you see no difference, they are deceiving themself if they call themself a Christian. [/FONT]
Have you considered "living water?" Jesus said, "born of water and the Spirit" He did not say born of water baptism and the Spirit. To automatically read water baptism into this verse simply because it mentions "water" is unwarranted. Scripture interprets itself. Notice in John 7:38-39, "He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of LIVING WATER. But this He spoke concerning the SPIRIT. *Did you see that? If "water" is arbitrarily defined as baptism, then we could just as justifiably say, "Out of his belly shall flow rivers of living baptism" in John 7:38. If this sounds ridiculous, it is no more so than the idea that water baptism is the source or the means of becoming born again.
In John 4:10, Jesus said, "If you knew the gift of God, and who it is who says to you, 'Give Me a drink,' you would have asked Him, and He would have given you living water." In John 4:14, Jesus said, "but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into everlasting life. In John 7:37-39, Jesus said, ".."If anyone thirsts, let him come to Me and drink. 38 He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water." 39 But this He spoke concerning the Spirit.. Jesus connects living water with everlasting life. Living water is not water baptism. In 1 Corinthians 12:13, we also read - By one Spirit we are all baptized into one body...drink into one Spirit. Living water, Spirit baptism.
In John 4:10, Jesus said, "If you knew the gift of God, and who it is who says to you, 'Give Me a drink,' you would have asked Him, and He would have given you living water." In John 4:14, Jesus said, "but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into everlasting life. In John 7:37-39, Jesus said, ".."If anyone thirsts, let him come to Me and drink. 38 He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water." 39 But this He spoke concerning the Spirit.. Jesus connects living water with everlasting life. Living water is not water baptism. In 1 Corinthians 12:13, we also read - By one Spirit we are all baptized into one body...drink into one Spirit. Living water, Spirit baptism.
Sorry, but I do not see you refute any of the harmonizing the bible shows between verses.
jn 3:5----------------spirit ++++++++++water>>>>>>>>in the kingdom
1cor12:13-----------spirit+++++++++++baptized>>>>>in the body
It's too clear to me both verses refer to WATER BAPTISM.
Col 2:11,12 speaks of a spiritual circumcision made without hands when God cuts away the body of sin when one is buried in baptism. Verse 12 says nothing at all about a baptism made without hands.
It would therefore be a literal burial in water from which one is risen. The one baptism of Eph 4:5 the literal water burial as with the eunuch.
None of those verse speak of baptism with the Holy Spirit.
No one today was ever promised baptism with the Holy Spirit
Baptism with the Holy Spirit does not save/remit sins or make one a disciple
No verse say baptism with the Holy Spirit last till the end of the world
Acts 1:1-5 baptism with the Holy Spirit was only promised to the apostles
But,
Water baptism has been commanded to everyone, Mk 16;16
Water baptism saves/remits sins Acts 2:38
Water baptism lasts till the end of the world & makes one a disciple, Mt 28:19,20
1 Pet 3:21 Peter said "baptism doth also now save us" and this is water baptism he refers to here and in Acts 2:38.
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Here's a good explanation of these verses from bible.org.
The reason that many of Peter’s readers were suffering was that they had borne witness to their faith in Christ through baptism. Perhaps some had confessed Christ verbally, but were hesitant to confess Him through baptism because they had seen what had happened to others. So Peter here is urging these persecuted Christians to make public confession of their faith through baptism.
Peter is using the flood and deliverance of Noah and his family as a loose analogy or type of what is portrayed in Christian salvation and baptism. Just as Noah passed through the flood waters into salvation from God’s judgment, so believers pass through baptism into salvation from God’s judgment. But, before you leap to wrong conclusions, Peter clarifies—it is not the act of baptism which saves (“the removal of dirt from the flesh”), but what baptism signifies—the appeal to God for a good conscience.
“Appeal” can point either to the moment of salvation, when a person cries out to God for cleansing from sin; or, to the pledge given at the baptismal ceremony, when a person promises to live in a manner pleasing to God. Either way, baptism testifies to our faith in Christ’s substitutionary sacrifice on our behalf (3:18). Since Christ’s suffering did not minimize His witness, but rather enhanced it, Peter is urging his readers to be baptized, even if it means persecution, in order to bear witness of Christ’s saving grace.
The reason that many of Peter’s readers were suffering was that they had borne witness to their faith in Christ through baptism. Perhaps some had confessed Christ verbally, but were hesitant to confess Him through baptism because they had seen what had happened to others. So Peter here is urging these persecuted Christians to make public confession of their faith through baptism.
Peter is using the flood and deliverance of Noah and his family as a loose analogy or type of what is portrayed in Christian salvation and baptism. Just as Noah passed through the flood waters into salvation from God’s judgment, so believers pass through baptism into salvation from God’s judgment. But, before you leap to wrong conclusions, Peter clarifies—it is not the act of baptism which saves (“the removal of dirt from the flesh”), but what baptism signifies—the appeal to God for a good conscience.
“Appeal” can point either to the moment of salvation, when a person cries out to God for cleansing from sin; or, to the pledge given at the baptismal ceremony, when a person promises to live in a manner pleasing to God. Either way, baptism testifies to our faith in Christ’s substitutionary sacrifice on our behalf (3:18). Since Christ’s suffering did not minimize His witness, but rather enhanced it, Peter is urging his readers to be baptized, even if it means persecution, in order to bear witness of Christ’s saving grace.
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Water baptism is only a symbol of washing away of our sin and when you get up is a NEW you. Whereas accepting JESUS in our hearts as our own God and savior, that is the time that you are saved. But you need to continue to grow your Faith and Love for Him and do was is written on the bible 
God bless.
God bless.
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If water baptism saves, then why did Jesus have to die and shed His precious blood for the remission of sin?
Water never has and never will "wash away" sins. Without the shedding of blood, there is NO REMISSION of sin. Jesus shed His blood on the cross of Calvary for the REMISSION of the "sin of the world". The shedding of blood in the OT sacrifices were a "shadow" of the final and complete sacrifice of Christ:
Leviticus 17:10 And whatsoever man there be of the house of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn among you, that eateth any manner of blood; I will even set my face against that soul that eateth blood, and will cut him off from among his people.
Leviticus 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.
Hebrews 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
1 Peter 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
1 Peter 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
Water baptism is an ordinance of the church and is SYMBOLIC/FIGURE (1 Peter 3:21) of our profession (calling on the Name of the Lord -- Romans 10:13) of faith:
Romans 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Romans 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Water never has and never will "wash away" sins. Without the shedding of blood, there is NO REMISSION of sin. Jesus shed His blood on the cross of Calvary for the REMISSION of the "sin of the world". The shedding of blood in the OT sacrifices were a "shadow" of the final and complete sacrifice of Christ:
Leviticus 17:10 And whatsoever man there be of the house of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn among you, that eateth any manner of blood; I will even set my face against that soul that eateth blood, and will cut him off from among his people.
Leviticus 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.
Hebrews 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
1 Peter 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
1 Peter 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
Water baptism is an ordinance of the church and is SYMBOLIC/FIGURE (1 Peter 3:21) of our profession (calling on the Name of the Lord -- Romans 10:13) of faith:
Romans 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Romans 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.