DON'T take the Mark!

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Some seem to think that a Christian could take the mark of the beast and still be saved.

This is absolutely not the case, read on:

Revelation 14:9-11
And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If ANY MAN worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Since Jesus said the only sin not forgivable is blaspheming the Holy Ghost (Matthew 12:31), some claim this means if a Christian takes the mark of the beast which includes worshiping the beast they will still go to Heaven.

Jesus specifically tells us in Revelation 14:9-11 that taking the mark of the beast will in fact send one to hell so it's very obvious that Jesus considers taking the mark of the beast to be blaspheming the Holy Ghost, and here's why:

1 Corinthians 6:19,20
What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.


Romans 12:1,2
I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.


A Christians has NO right to turn away from the Lord and submit themselves and their body to the beast by taking his mark which is to be in agreement with the beast which is worship unto the beast.

Those taking the mark of the beast are in fact blaspheming the Holy Ghost and those that say it is not are considering what Jesus said in Revelation 14:9-11 to be a lie.

Things never end well for those that think Jesus lied and think they can go their own way and do their own will while rejecting His will for their lives.
The next verse of Revelations shows us how not to receive the Mark Rev 14:12 The Mark of the Beast is about worship. What does Jesus tell us about worshipping in vain which correlates with Rev 14:12 Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13
 

MerSee

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#22
Any adult who chose to get the COVID Inoculation chose to get a marked for the Devil.
 

montana123

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The church will be absent from the earth when the mark of the beast goes into effect (Revelation 13). You will not find the words "church" or "churches" from Revelation 4 to Revelation 18. Thus the issue is moot. The Tribulation Saints will refuse to take the mark, and will be beheaded (Rev 20).
Paul said let no man deceive you by any means for the gathering of the saints shall not happen until there is a falling away first.

Which the falling away is the condition of the world in response to the Gospel which the nations governments came together for a one world government and will not allow the preaching of the Gospel, and a personal God, favoring their religious system that believes people are evolving to be spiritual, and a god, and there is no personal God.

And the man of sin claims to be God which he does in the middle of a 7 years period that God is allowing the world to have their way for 7 years.

The resurrection shall not happen until that time so it will be before the middle of the 7 years period.

And then the beast makes war against the saints and prevails against them, and they are given in to his hands for three and one half years, and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the saints then all things are finished.

Which then comes the end when the Son shall deliver the kingdom up to the Father, and then He shall put down all authority, power, and rule.

So the saints shall go through the 7 years period.

Also the Son puts the world down when the resurrection happens so if the resurrection happens before the 7 years period then why does God allow them to continue for 7 years.

It is the end when the Son delivers up the kingdom to the Father so why would God allow them to continue for 7 years if it is the end.

So if the resurrection is before the 7 years then God would not allow them to continue for 7 years because it is the end.

The resurrection happens after the 7 years period for then it is the end.

Also there is no tribulation saints because Jesus said if they miss the resurrection He shut the door so they cannot enter and will have their portion with the hypocrites.

Also when the resurrection happens the world has no chance to be saved for if they missed it for they denied the truth.

The Bible says the Gospel will be preached in to all the world as a witness to all nations before the resurrection so all people will know of it so if they missed the resurrection they missed out.

Also God is allowing the world 7 years to have their way and go against the truth, and cause all people that do not love Him to follow the beast kingdom, and then He will end sin on Earth.

So if God is allowing the world to have their way for 7 years then the saints will remain on Earth to represent the truth for if the saints were not on Earth then how does the world go against the truth for 7 years.

Also for the first three and one half years the world has salvation available to them like now so the saints will remain on Earth to represent the truth so there is no resurrection before the 7 years period.

Paul said let no person deceive you for the saints will not be gathered unto Christ until the man of sin claims to be God which happens in the middle of the 7 years period.

Also there is only 2 resurrections 1 of the saints, and 1 of the dead, not 2 resurrections of the saints, 1 before the 7 years period, and 1 later on, for there is only 1 resurrection of the saints.

Also there is not a resurrection of the saints, and then Jesus comes back to be united with tribulation saints that do not get caught up.

Because the Bible says that at the battle of Armageddon when Jesus fights the world and defeats them that the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

So when Jesus comes back all the saints come back with Him so there is no saints on Earth so there is no tribulation saints.

So there is not a second resurrection of tribulation saints for there is only 1 resurrection of the saints, and there is no tribulation saints on Earth when Jesus comes back because all the saints are with Him.

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

Some shall depart from the faith and follow the new age movement interpretation of the Bible that is of the antichrist.

2Ti 2:16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
2Ti 2:17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
2Ti 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

When the resurrection does not happen before the 7 years period it will overthrow the faith of some people that had faith and they will follow the new age movement interpretation of the Bible.

And then the people that preached a resurrection happening before the 7 years period will be responsible for those people losing faith because they thought they missed the resurrection, and either thought that they missed out on salvation, or the Bible was not true how it was preached for many years.

Also for people that think that God would not allow the saints to go through tribulation during a 7 years period the wrath of God is not in the 7 years period.

The first three and one half years salvation is available to the world so the wrath of God would not be there.

When the beast claims to be God then he has three and one half years to continue, and has power over all nations, kindreds, and tongues, so the wrath of God would not be there.

God is giving the world 7 years to have their way so the wrath of God not be there for if it was then how did God give them their way.
 

gb9

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Any adult who chose to get the COVID Inoculation chose to get a marked for the Devil.
don't know about that.

maybe??

more likely, the mark will be tied to the digital currencies , in which the gov. can directly track and control what people buy and where they buy..
 

MerSee

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don't know about that.

maybe??

more likely, the mark will be tied to the digital currencies , in which the gov. can directly track and control what people buy and where they buy..
They didn't receive "The Mark", but, they did get marked for the devil.
 

gb9

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They didn't receive "The Mark", but, they did get marked for the devil.
is that not what the mark is? marking those who will worship the beast??
 
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As I already pointed out, the words "church" or "churches" are not found from Revelation 4-18. That in itself is sufficient to confirm that the Church is absent and in Heaven.

That does not prove we will not be here when the anto-christ comes to power.




All before they take the mark of the beast so there can be no mistake that they know what he is about and his agenda.

I'm not saying they can accidentally take the mark. Many believe in OSAS and because of they they believe they can bow down to the best, take his mark and still go to Heaven.

Since one will have to have the mark to buy and sell, many will decide they have to bow down to the best and take the mark so they can continue their lives on this earth and since OSAS falsely claims one cannot lose their salvation then why wouldn't they go ahead and take the mark?

All the preachers that teach the false doctrines of OSAS will tell them they are safe to completely ignore what Jesus said in Revelation 14:9-11 so they are all good to go! Just one of many ways the devil deceived people thru false doctrine.



Of course he is wrong, but he has influenced many people in this regard.

Yes, sadly hie is one of the leading false teachers of out time influencing many to believe false doctrine.
 
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The next verse of Revelations shows us how not to receive the Mark Rev 14:12 The Mark of the Beast is about worship. What does Jesus tell us about worshipping in vain which correlates with Rev 14:12 Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13

Those that truly believe OSAS think they can worship the best and take his mark and still go to Heaven.

The false teachers tell them they can ignore what Jesus says in Revelation 14:9-11 and it's all good.


So the saints shall go through the 7 years period.

We re not appointed unto wrath, whether it be God's wrath or the devil's wrath so we won't go thru the second half of the tribulation which is when all the really bad stuff happens including a few billion people dying from nuclear warfare.

God has an established history of rescuing His faithful from destruction and this time will be no different.

They question will become who is one of His faithful and who is lukewarm just playing like they are Christians.

God knows who is who.
 

MerSee

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There's no biblical basis to support that.
Leviticus 18:24
Defile not yourselves with any of these things with which all the nations have been defiled, which I will cast out before you,
 

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That does not prove we will not be here when the anto-christ comes to power.
It most certainly does. The first three chapters focus on churches. But that is it. If the Holy Spirit is "taken out of the way" to allow the Antichrist total control, then the Church (the Body of Christ indwelt by the Holy Spirit) will not remain on earth either.

The first 3 1/2 years of Daniel's 70th week are assigned to the Antichrist. In Revelation 13 it says "forty and two months". And in Revelation 11, it is the two prophets of God (Moses and Elijah) who preach the Gospel (primarily to the Jews, but also to the whole world) for 1260 days (exactly 42 months). While that is happening the outer court of the temple and the holy city Jerusalem are trodden underfoot by the Gentiles for 42 months also.

But the Church is not present to preach the Gospel. So God also sends a flying angel to preach the Everlasting Gospel to the whole world (Rev 14:6). And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people... So the Gospel continues to be preached while the Church is absent. God give all mankind many opportunities to repent and be converted.
 

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I stopped using German money a long time ago...just in case.