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So it looks to me all said here either I believe God or I do not, right? And God is the one that knows who are the professors and who are the possessors right?
It looks like it is all God's work right? All I ever did was come to beleive God and stau steadfast in this beleif that God by Son made me this: and all who come to believe God in this receive this, if they stay what
Colossians 1:22 in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
Colossians 1:21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
Colossians 1:23 if ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
I see no works of my own involved at all, I see standing firm in the Faith delivered to me, that by Christ's death, I am cleansed, made Holy in Father's sight, not mine, not yours or anyone's, Father's alone why is this?
For what reason am I made Holy before Father by Christ?
And does this stay this way for eternity from Father's view? Even if I sin again, I mean being in this unredeemed flesh, how can one keep himself ever Holy?
So I conclude it is all God and none of me, I am no more than God's water glass to fill me and overflow me and use me whenever Father sees fit?
I mean if one is not at rest in Father through Son, then one might still be working out of the energy of their own flesh, on their way to rest, yet not entered it yet.
Now who carries on the work us or Father, and is it completed by Father through Son or do we have to add to it at all?
Hope this helps from the view I am seeing, it is all God and none of me. I am nothijng more than God's vessel to be used by God as God sees fit
Thanks for your post as well
It looks like it is all God's work right? All I ever did was come to beleive God and stau steadfast in this beleif that God by Son made me this: and all who come to believe God in this receive this, if they stay what
Colossians 1:22 in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
Colossians 1:21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
Colossians 1:23 if ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
I see no works of my own involved at all, I see standing firm in the Faith delivered to me, that by Christ's death, I am cleansed, made Holy in Father's sight, not mine, not yours or anyone's, Father's alone why is this?
For what reason am I made Holy before Father by Christ?
And does this stay this way for eternity from Father's view? Even if I sin again, I mean being in this unredeemed flesh, how can one keep himself ever Holy?
So I conclude it is all God and none of me, I am no more than God's water glass to fill me and overflow me and use me whenever Father sees fit?
I mean if one is not at rest in Father through Son, then one might still be working out of the energy of their own flesh, on their way to rest, yet not entered it yet.
Now who carries on the work us or Father, and is it completed by Father through Son or do we have to add to it at all?
Hope this helps from the view I am seeing, it is all God and none of me. I am nothijng more than God's vessel to be used by God as God sees fit
Thanks for your post as well
Okay then, so are you a liar or ever lied, I have and trust Father to keep from it to this day, and be open and honest no more dirty laundry hidden behind closed doors. Yet people do not do this be open, why? Because of Fear
Fear is the crippler and perfect love from God received by the believer casts out all fear, Christ is the propitiation for not only my sin but for the whole world's is it not?
I mean this is written so we don't sin, but if we do what do we have in our stead that keeps us sinless in Father's view?
And this is not meant to take for granted that we are forgiven, rather to appreciate so deeply, one will walk as Christ walked in total dependence on Father through Son's finished work, it is by Faith in Father through Son, that we are saved and that is forever, from the view Father has given me, and they are not rose colored glasses, I stand in Fathers righteousness and Father's with Son alone, I have none of my own and never will have any of my own, nor will anyone else
The righteousness is Fathers and as Jesus partook in this, so do I and am led by Father in Father's power of himself in the Spirit and truth as is the only way Father is worshiped in Spirit and truth
Thanks for reading and hearing with those spiritual ears
Fear is the crippler and perfect love from God received by the believer casts out all fear, Christ is the propitiation for not only my sin but for the whole world's is it not?
I mean this is written so we don't sin, but if we do what do we have in our stead that keeps us sinless in Father's view?
And this is not meant to take for granted that we are forgiven, rather to appreciate so deeply, one will walk as Christ walked in total dependence on Father through Son's finished work, it is by Faith in Father through Son, that we are saved and that is forever, from the view Father has given me, and they are not rose colored glasses, I stand in Fathers righteousness and Father's with Son alone, I have none of my own and never will have any of my own, nor will anyone else
The righteousness is Fathers and as Jesus partook in this, so do I and am led by Father in Father's power of himself in the Spirit and truth as is the only way Father is worshiped in Spirit and truth
Thanks for reading and hearing with those spiritual ears
It is really hard to believe that people actually believe this nonsense which defies plain common sense.
So you have two people. One is saved and the other is not yet both are addicted to the viewing of pornography. One is "backslidden" but still saved while the other was never saved in the first place.
What was the first person actually saved from? Certainly not sin because they are still in bondage.
So let me get this right, if you are saved you can sin in the meantime and not surely die because God is faithful to fix you in the long run, God will reveal some truth at some time that will eventually set you free from the backslide. In the meantime sin away right? In other words salvation has nothing to do with the condition of the heart because the heart can still be filthy and wicked and yet saved and declared righteous by God.
You have two serial killers. One is a backslidden but saved serial killer while the other is an unsaved serial killer, yet both are still murdering people. The saved guy will stop his murderous behaviour at some time though.
You have two child molesters. One is a backslidden but saved child molester while the other is an unsaved child molester, yet both are still molesting children. The difference between the two is in the long term where the saved fella will eventually get over his compulsion to molest children.
You have two drunks. One is a backslidden but saved drunk while the other is an unsaved drunk, yet both are still getting hammered on booze. The difference is that the saved guy will eventually conquer his addiction.
You have two manipulating fraudsters. One is a backslidden but saved thief whilst the other is an unsaved thief. They both still lie and cheat for the purpose of gain. Yet the difference between the two is that the saved individual will eventually stop stealing when God reveals truth that will set him free right?
What is this nonsense? What is this foolishness? This is an utter mockery of God's grace and a mockery of the blood of Christ which the Bible clearly states purges sin.
So you have two people. One is saved and the other is not yet both are addicted to the viewing of pornography. One is "backslidden" but still saved while the other was never saved in the first place.
What was the first person actually saved from? Certainly not sin because they are still in bondage.
So let me get this right, if you are saved you can sin in the meantime and not surely die because God is faithful to fix you in the long run, God will reveal some truth at some time that will eventually set you free from the backslide. In the meantime sin away right? In other words salvation has nothing to do with the condition of the heart because the heart can still be filthy and wicked and yet saved and declared righteous by God.
You have two serial killers. One is a backslidden but saved serial killer while the other is an unsaved serial killer, yet both are still murdering people. The saved guy will stop his murderous behaviour at some time though.
You have two child molesters. One is a backslidden but saved child molester while the other is an unsaved child molester, yet both are still molesting children. The difference between the two is in the long term where the saved fella will eventually get over his compulsion to molest children.
You have two drunks. One is a backslidden but saved drunk while the other is an unsaved drunk, yet both are still getting hammered on booze. The difference is that the saved guy will eventually conquer his addiction.
You have two manipulating fraudsters. One is a backslidden but saved thief whilst the other is an unsaved thief. They both still lie and cheat for the purpose of gain. Yet the difference between the two is that the saved individual will eventually stop stealing when God reveals truth that will set him free right?
What is this nonsense? What is this foolishness? This is an utter mockery of God's grace and a mockery of the blood of Christ which the Bible clearly states purges sin.
Fear is the beginning of knowledge and perfect love casts out fear. It is not the love of God which is meant to inoculate anyone from maintaining the strait and narrow in fear. Perfect love casts out fear because when we truly abide in Christ in Spirit and in truth we have nothing to fear, the same cannot be said for a worker of iniquity.
God does not forgive you in advance so you can go out and engage in evil, such an idea would turn the holiness of God on its head. All workers of iniquity are in rebellion to God and they need to repent, it is nonsense to believe that you can work iniquity and have confidence that you are already forgiven and that this notion somehow compels you to turn back to God. That is Satan speaking.
1Pe 1:13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;
1Pe 1:14 As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:
1Pe 1:15 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
1Pe 1:16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
1Pe 1:17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:
1Pe 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
1Pe 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
1Pe 1:20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
1Pe 1:21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
1Pe 1:22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
Why would Peter write the above if he thought you could engage in wickedness and remain forgiven?
God does not forgive you in advance so you can go out and engage in evil, such an idea would turn the holiness of God on its head. All workers of iniquity are in rebellion to God and they need to repent, it is nonsense to believe that you can work iniquity and have confidence that you are already forgiven and that this notion somehow compels you to turn back to God. That is Satan speaking.
1Pe 1:13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;
1Pe 1:14 As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:
1Pe 1:15 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
1Pe 1:16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
1Pe 1:17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:
1Pe 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
1Pe 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
1Pe 1:20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
1Pe 1:21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
1Pe 1:22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
Why would Peter write the above if he thought you could engage in wickedness and remain forgiven?
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The Fear of the Lord has nothing to do with the Fear found in 1 John 4.18 to mix them is to be out of context, because you are stating Perfect Love casts out the fear of the Lord.
It is the Fear of the Lord that is the Beginning of Knowledge, not the demonic/human emotion of fear that is the beginning of knowledge. Perfect love casts out demonic/human fear.
It is the Fear of the Lord that is the Beginning of Knowledge, not the demonic/human emotion of fear that is the beginning of knowledge. Perfect love casts out demonic/human fear.
Let me try to head off some confusion.
First let me explain what the Jewish way of thinking meant by the word "BELIEVE". Unlike English it never meant to only intellectually acknowledge that something was a fact. To the Jew, to genuinely BELIEVE, required that one put his whole weight or trust in what he claimed to believe. Thus, if they said I believe Jesus Christ is my LORD; they were not just acknowledging a fact, they meant they really trusted HIM to run their lives as their MASTER.
Yes that genuine Salvation happens moment we first believe. That NEVER meant that since you got yours, you can go back to living life for self. NO that would only VALIDATE that you NEVER met the Jewish definition of the word BELIEVE. To have the kind BELIEF, that a Jew meant by the term, is to have a lifelong commitment of yielding to HIS LORDSHIP. How is that possible? The "Rest of the Story" is explained in the Greek tense of the Word KEEP in 1 John 2:4-5. It is the Perfect Tense which implies a lifestyle of striving to KEEP HIS commands. AND when we fail, 1 John 1:9, we also have the lifestyle characteristic of repenting and confessing that new sin, and going right back to striving to keep HIS commands.
Salvation and the beginning of Eternal Life are fixed at the very moment we first Believed; but because the REALLY HAPPENED, there will be within us that ongoing desire to keep His Commands. If we truly are HIS Children, we will act like it.
Ephesians 2:5 (NASB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),
Romans 8:24 (NIV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] For in this hope we were saved. But hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what he already has?
John 3:36 (HCSB)
[SUP]36 [/SUP] The one who believes in the Son has eternal life, but the one who refuses to believe in the Son will not see life; instead, the wrath of God remains on him.
John 6:47 (HCSB)
[SUP]47[/SUP] “I assure you: Anyone who believes has eternal life.
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So sorry you mis-undertstand waht is said
And use someone that does not love their neighbor as self, or as deep as God loves them that he went to the cross for them to give them new life in the resurrected Christ, today before any of us were born here on earth
Neither one in your scenarios is Saved if harming others and if they are God will show them and if they do not hear and still harm their neighbor they are not God's
This is a serious issue,
Love God with all your heart and whne one sees God's love for them through the Son at the cross, one then sees to love God with all God's strength and not their own anymore
Thus they love their neighbor as God has and does love them
It is a response to God for waht Son hsd done in appreciation, and yet still sin in an unredeemed body, but can't harm their neighbor when the rubber hits the road, whether they say they can or not. THe test in this:
God put David in front of King Saul, a sword in Davids hand, and said to David go ahead you can kill King Saul, I hane King Saul to you to kill him.
And David could not do it, a man after God's own heart, couldn't do it, compassion, love Mercy, i9s God
Get it I pray so
And use someone that does not love their neighbor as self, or as deep as God loves them that he went to the cross for them to give them new life in the resurrected Christ, today before any of us were born here on earth
Neither one in your scenarios is Saved if harming others and if they are God will show them and if they do not hear and still harm their neighbor they are not God's
This is a serious issue,
Love God with all your heart and whne one sees God's love for them through the Son at the cross, one then sees to love God with all God's strength and not their own anymore
Thus they love their neighbor as God has and does love them
It is a response to God for waht Son hsd done in appreciation, and yet still sin in an unredeemed body, but can't harm their neighbor when the rubber hits the road, whether they say they can or not. THe test in this:
God put David in front of King Saul, a sword in Davids hand, and said to David go ahead you can kill King Saul, I hane King Saul to you to kill him.
And David could not do it, a man after God's own heart, couldn't do it, compassion, love Mercy, i9s God
Get it I pray so
Are you harming your neighbor?
Romans 13:10 Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
Are you saying I am harming you? How please tell me
Romans 13:10 Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
Are you saying I am harming you? How please tell me
Thanks for that VCO,m been there did that and continued all the way n o matter what, and one day I finally gave up and raised my whiter flag in giving up trying to be perfect in front of God and all the people, ready to walk away, not understanding the full gospel, God knowing I tried as you just said about the Jew
This is what I heard, "Thank you", I just gave up and I hear Thank you. I say what? and I hear now I (God) can do what is needed through you, with you getting out of the way.
I have pondered that ever since and today see that clear as a bell, The light went off, and I have been learnin g to not sow to flesh at all:
Galatians 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
Today clearly seeing the difference:
Philippians 3:3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.
Philippians 3:10 that I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
Philippians 3:11 if by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
This is written for all to believe and work hard to enter God's rest God has for you. Hebrews 3 and four reveal this
This is what I heard, "Thank you", I just gave up and I hear Thank you. I say what? and I hear now I (God) can do what is needed through you, with you getting out of the way.
I have pondered that ever since and today see that clear as a bell, The light went off, and I have been learnin g to not sow to flesh at all:
Galatians 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
Today clearly seeing the difference:
Philippians 3:3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.
Philippians 3:10 that I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
Philippians 3:11 if by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
This is written for all to believe and work hard to enter God's rest God has for you. Hebrews 3 and four reveal this
The only motive for OBEDIENCE that Honors our LORD is LOVE. Obedience is a way for us to love Him back, for all HE has done. No we are not perfect at it and won't be until we we get that new glorified body that cannot even think sin. Until then we will be known as those who keep on trying to obey Him, not because we think we can ever measure up to HIS standards, but as a way to LOVE HIM BACK.
Like Dr. John MacArthur once said: "A Christian is not sinless, however as he matures, he will sin less, and less, and less."
John 14:15 (HCSB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] “If you love Me, you will keep My commands.
1 John 5:3 (ASV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
Like Dr. John MacArthur once said: "A Christian is not sinless, however as he matures, he will sin less, and less, and less."
John 14:15 (HCSB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] “If you love Me, you will keep My commands.
1 John 5:3 (ASV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
Okay it is time to give you all an honest opinion of the TORCH Browser. IT IS GREAT! Does that mean it is perfect? NO, but it is the best I have ever seen. I found a display glitch on the Cyber Hymnal, and reported it after midnight. By 10:00 the next day, they not only had contacted me via email, but they had completely fixed the glitch. That highly impressed me. I had found glitches on OPERA, and reported them several times, and after six month they not only had not fixed the glitches, but they had NEVER even bothered to contact me. This TORCH Browser seems to have fewer adds, runs extremely well on far less memory than Internet Explorer, has far fewer lockups than other Browsers, and is a pleasure to work with. It has a built in feature to record videos that are not copyright locked, and a very generous amount of free themes available. Here is the theme that I chose and just love, which I found to be easy to setup:
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Brother thanks for this report, and as i was thinking on it, this came to me Father in the form of the Holy Spirit is the Torch (fire) browser killing out our dross as we ask for this to be done, if we asked, I remember asking and it got done, and I was at first not happy over it, yet am learning it is for my betterment to trust God even deeper and be thankful for the dross burnt out of me by God
Amen, so if we claim to believe and walk contrary to God all our lives we never really believed into Christ as our savior and Lord over our life.
Romans 6:16
Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one's slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness.
And John says 1 John 1:6-7
If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. But if we walk in the light as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another (I believe John is speaking of a vertical relationship here between you and God. Not a horizontal relationship/fellowship between the saints, although it is true if we have fellowship with God we also have fellowship with all other saints), and the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin.
Therefore if we claim to know Him and and claim to be saved, we say believe in Him, said a sinners prayer, but walk contrary from Him all our lives we are not in Him. A true authentic believer will have a change of direction, maybe not always present, or drastic, or immediate, but they will begin transformation. The have become a new creation in Jesus Christ, all things have become new.
Romans 6:16
Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one's slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness.
And John says 1 John 1:6-7
If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. But if we walk in the light as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another (I believe John is speaking of a vertical relationship here between you and God. Not a horizontal relationship/fellowship between the saints, although it is true if we have fellowship with God we also have fellowship with all other saints), and the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin.
Therefore if we claim to know Him and and claim to be saved, we say believe in Him, said a sinners prayer, but walk contrary from Him all our lives we are not in Him. A true authentic believer will have a change of direction, maybe not always present, or drastic, or immediate, but they will begin transformation. The have become a new creation in Jesus Christ, all things have become new.
If one believes, I am sure are you?
Philippians 1:6 And I am sure that God who began the good work within you will keep right on helping you grow in his grace until his task within you is finally finished on that day when Jesus Christ returns.
Philippians 1:6 And I am sure that God who began the good work within you will keep right on helping you grow in his grace until his task within you is finally finished on that day when Jesus Christ returns.
now is that Faith without a doubt? Are not doubts like parasites to fruit on the vine? and we thus need to put on the full armor, not of self of God's finished work for us to be Holy as God is Holy by Faith, belief it is done by Son
Partake not imitate you think, God calls we respond, and quit trying to create, respond to the creator in thanksgiving and praise, maybe? or try to make us right by what we do or not do, when Christ through his death has done this for us to get new life in Spirit and truth by his resurrection from the dead, maybe? We all get this free choice to decide is it all God or do I get a part other than just to be God's vessel as Christ was? Works verses Faith alone, which sets one free and which keeps one in bondage?
Partake not imitate you think, God calls we respond, and quit trying to create, respond to the creator in thanksgiving and praise, maybe? or try to make us right by what we do or not do, when Christ through his death has done this for us to get new life in Spirit and truth by his resurrection from the dead, maybe? We all get this free choice to decide is it all God or do I get a part other than just to be God's vessel as Christ was? Works verses Faith alone, which sets one free and which keeps one in bondage?