Dragons in The Bible

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soberxp

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2 Samuel 22:7-11 and Psalm 18:7-11 are the same

“In my distress I called to the Lord;
I called out to my God.
From his temple he heard my voice;
my cry came to his ears.
8 The earth trembled and quaked,
the foundations of the heavens[c] shook;
they trembled because he was angry.
9 Smoke rose from his nostrils;
consuming fire came from his mouth,
burning coals blazed out of it.
10 He parted the heavens and came down;
dark clouds were under his feet.
11 He mounted the cherubim and flew;
he soared on the wings of the wind.


Not sure how you make that out to be a dragon. No such thing is implied, inferred, hinted at or said.

Same for Isaiah 30:27–33

27 Behold, the name of the Lord comes from afar,
Burning with His anger,
And His burden is heavy;
His lips are full of indignation,
And His tongue like a devouring fire.
28 His breath is like an overflowing stream,
Which reaches up to the neck,
To sift the nations with the sieve of futility;
And there shall be a bridle in the jaws of the people,
Causing them to err.


29 You shall have a song
As in the night when a holy festival is kept,
And gladness of heart as when one goes with a flute,
To come into nthe mountain of the Lord,
To the Mighty One of Israel.


30 The Lord will cause His glorious voice to be heard,
And show the descent of His arm,
With the indignation of His anger
And the flame of a devouring fire,
With scattering, tempest, pand hailstones.
31 For through the voice of the Lord
Assyria will be beaten down,
As He strikes with the rrod.
32 And in every place where the staff of punishment passes,
Which the Lord lays on him,
It will be with tambourines and harps;
And in battles of brandishing He will fight with it.


33 For Tophet was established of old,
Yes, for the king it is prepared.
He has made it deep and large;
Its pyre is fire with much wood;
The breath of the Lord, like a stream of brimstone,
Kindles it.
I agree with you.
The Lord isn't depicted as a dragon. This is simply His expression of judgement.

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This statement is completely irrational, just like Christians who say the Koran is wrong but have not read it carefully. When Muslims say that the Bible has been tampered with, they admit it in disguise. You can only see the surface but not the essence.

No one has really seen the appearance of God. Whether he looks like a man or a dragon is unknown, or whether God can look like a man or a dragon, depending on his own preference.

We knowing God not according to his appearance, but the word of God.
In genesis GOD did make man in his image

New King James Version
GEN 1:26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”
 

soberxp

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In genesis GOD did make man in his image
It should be said that it is like the image of Jesus,The image of man is more and more far away from the image of God.
 
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It should be said that it is like the image of Jesus,The image of man is more and more far away from the image of God.
Jeremiah 17:9 ¶ The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? Is this the sense you are thinking mans image to be far away from God. ?
 

soberxp

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Jeremiah 17:9 ¶ The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? Is this the sense you are thinking mans image to be far away from God. ?
Maybe it's just my pessimistic idea.
 
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Maybe it's just my pessimistic idea.
You sound like me in that you put a lot of thinking about many possibilities and ideas. I often try to think of whether a idea can be thought of in the extreme. A natural phenomena like temperature is an interesting example. Seems that at extreme cold there is a finite temperature but going in the hot direction is there an end and even if there is it seems to be a 'number' much greater than going cold. What that means is a puzzle to me. So with people living in extreme cold climates why did they find 'refuge' in those areas and how did they end up there. But also the universe and beyond. Multiverses some say. Bible does not address these matters and must agree to pure speculation.
 

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There has been so much tampering and otherwise clandestine "editing" of what we call the Bible that sometimes I cast a jaundiced eye on the whole business. One reference in the "Hebrew Bible" casts Yahweh (God ?) as a fire breathing Dragon (Journals.Sage Pub.org), yet the book of Revelations casts the Dragon as Evil. I am unfamiliar with the United Bible Society. This causes me to really take a step back.
You know I take with a grain of salt those that say they saw heaven yet also will believe some. One said he stopped telling people about the animals he saw in heaven since he really got attack speaking only what he saw. So from that point on he never ever talks about it. Man just can't handle it. Satan cannot create. There does seem to be some truth in every lie so to speak. We know there were things living here that are not any more so...who knows. Just try talking about how the animals before the fall could talk and watch what happens lol
 

soberxp

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You sound like me in that you put a lot of thinking about many possibilities and ideas. I often try to think of whether a idea can be thought of in the extreme. A natural phenomena like temperature is an interesting example. Seems that at extreme cold there is a finite temperature but going in the hot direction is there an end and even if there is it seems to be a 'number' much greater than going cold. What that means is a puzzle to me. So with people living in extreme cold climates why did they find 'refuge' in those areas and how did they end up there. But also the universe and beyond. Multiverses some say. Bible does not address these matters and must agree to pure speculation.
This reminds me of a story, a true story. There is an island near the North Pole, a small uninhabited island, where butterflies live. The island is warm. This story began when people explored sea routes. At that time, some people believed that there was a warm route in the Arctic.
 
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This reminds me of a story, a true story. There is an island near the North Pole, a small uninhabited island, where butterflies live. The island is warm. This story began when people explored sea routes. At that time, some people believed that there was a warm route in the Arctic.
Warm ocean currents. These may possibly mapped by satellite now but I don't know that definitely. But now the melting glaciers are also creating a lot of change in the oceans and CO 2 is also being absorbed by ocean water.
 

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Komodo dragon
The Komodo dragon (Varanus komodoensis), also known as the Komodo monitor, is a member of the monitor lizard family Varanidae that is endemic to the Indonesian islands of Komodo, Rinca, Flores, and Gili Motang. It is the largest extant species of lizard, growing to a maximum length of 3 metres (10 ft), and weighing up to 70 kilograms (150 lb).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Komodo_dragon
This is one of the living "dinosaurs" that I alluded to in my first post. If their bones were fossilized and they were extinct, they would be lumped together in one of the subcategories of dinosaurs. The same goes with some of the great crocodilians which can reach up to approximately 20 feet long and occasionally get hold of fishermen and those washing laundry in the rivers.

After reading further, I realized that the OP lacks interest in the subject. Perhaps she cares to clarify further . Some spent some time guessing what she meant from the Job description of the fire breathing reptile. Others guessed that she meant some fictitious dragon-god heresy. Im not saying they believe it, but rather explained it.
 

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There has been so much tampering and otherwise clandestine "editing" of what we call the Bible that sometimes I cast a jaundiced eye on the whole business. One reference in the "Hebrew Bible" casts Yahweh (God ?) as a fire breathing Dragon (Journals.Sage Pub.org), yet the book of Revelations casts the Dragon as Evil. I am unfamiliar with the United Bible Society. This causes me to really take a step back.
We are three pages into your thread and I can't find the verses that you are referring to.. Unless I missed it, I only see "Journals.Sage Pub.org". That only narrows your citation down to a library . 😄
Out of courtesy to those who spent much personal time responding, would you care to explain your position or question please?
 

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Yes, you can trust the KJV. I cannot vouch for any of the others. God can and will speak to you through the KJV if you let Him. God will never mislead you. You can trust Him. He loves you. He gave the Life of His Son for you.

John 3:16
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
Nothing much wrong with the KJV......and a lot right.
 

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The Hebrew Bible published by Talmudic Jewish groups should always be suspected of some kind of tampering.
The Masoretic which Rabbi Akiva tampered with definitely has errors introduced. These errors are ironed out by the NT and the Alexandrian Septuagint. Even the Alex-Septuagint has errors.....but again, it is valuable and we know where those errors are (Ex 12:40 for example). Altogether what we have today is quite superb and trustworthy.

Exodus 12:40 KJV
"Now the sojourning of the children of Israel, who dwelt in Egypt, was four hundred and thirty years."

The Septuagint version adds, "and in the land of Canaan"; and the Samaritan version is,
``the sojourning of the children of Israel, and of their fathers, in the land of Canaan, and in the land of Egypt.''


Agreeably to which are both the Talmuds: in one F15 of them the words are,


``in Egypt and in all lands,''
and in the other F16,


``in Egypt, and in the rest of the lands;''​
 

Nehemiah6

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Nothing much wrong with the KJV......and a lot right.
How could an English translation be the leading English language Bible for over 400 years if it was not indeed excellent and above reproach?

Further minor improvements could be made, but that will not be feasible under present circumstances. The King James 2000 Bible has brought the language up-to-date. However the NJKV is not to be trusted at all.