Dreams. Divine Knowledge or Mystisism?

[crossnote]

Many so called prophecies and dreams come from those who are too lazy to study the Word.
This is usually easy to detect because in their dream/vision they are blatantly contradicting God's Word.

Hey, how easy it is to embellish a dream or spout off a 'vision' ...it's a 'no sweat' path to being a DIY spiritual leader. lol

 

[MsSuzanna]

This was something I wrote in another thread:

"God gave me a dream two days before a hurricane that implied in a very loose way for me to move my stuff out of the basement because it was going to flood. The first day I did not get it. The second day it dawned on me what God was trying to tell me. If I had been spiritually dull, I would not have gotten it.
Another time, my 27 year son was missing. He was missing for 8 days. The 5th or 6th day he was missing, I can't recall now exactly which day it was, I had a dream about him in a car. Then 3 or 4 days later we discovered him in a car.
Another time I had a dream about someone I was having a problem with, and in a very stark way, very direct and blunt, I was "told" stay away from this guy. Avoid him like the plague. I find out a few weeks later he is going around and telling people nasty things he wants to do to me.
Another dream, it was a time when I was having a hard time in my life, I was backslidden, and in my dream satan is condemning me, and very, very distinctly, I hear a voice I absolutely believe was God, and He said he is my son, meaning me.
Another time I am sleeping and it was near sunrise, and I hear a very clear voice say, get up and pray for so and so. So I did, not knowing what to pray for and why. I find out later he was in a car accident at that very time.
I know there are quite few more, but I can't recall even half of them right now, and it would be boring anyway to keep reading them.
I just wanted to make a point.
If God speaks to me like this in dreams, then there has to be other Christians he does too.
This is why I don't like it when other Christians say things that imply or state things that may discourage others from hearing from God in their dreams.
I know it doesn't happen much. But it happens, and maybe with some people more times in a year then we may be willing to think is possible."

So what do you all think of this?

Im not saying that God doesnt use dreams. My OP covers alot of areas of this gnostic invasion.


Im sorry that you do not like the deception revealed. I will continue to do so over and over again. Satan has his imitations to Gods miracles. My article should encourage people to be wise as serpents concerning the matter.

 

[Angela53510]

I am concerned at the emphasis being placed on "dreams and visions" today, especially when they are in direct conflict with Scripture. If something comes to pass, or it gives authentic spiritual direction, that is in line with the Bible that is one thing.

Sadly, too many people (I'm speaking generically, not about specific people in this forum) think that EVERY thing they dream is a vision from God. I do believe that comes from both bad teaching, and a lack of knowledge of the Bible.

How many dreams did Joseph have? I think it was 2 intitally, but correct me if I am wrong. And of course, the two when he interpreted the baker and cup bearer's dreams, and the two dreams of Pharoah, which saved not only Egypt, but Israel. So 6 dreams in total?

Yet people think they are prophets called by God, like Joseph, and interpret every dream they have as from God. To say nothing of whacko interpretations of other people's dreams.

People, dreams can really be strong! They can overwhelm you, wake you up, make you cry, or afraid, or give you great joy! But non-Christians have those dreams in abundance, and it doesn't make them from God.

People need to focus on learning the Bible - memorization and study. That is where God speaks the most, and we can rely on it! I personally don't dream any more. So did that cut me off from God? NO! Instead, God speaks to me through his Word, and sometimes through the small still voice.

I would rather one touch from the Father every few months, than mixed up dreams and nightmares, in which I have no clue if the dreams are from God or my overactive imagination.

 

[ember]

Many so called prophecies and dreams come from those who are too lazy to study the Word.
This is usually easy to detect because in their dream/vision they are blatantly contradicting God's Word.

Hey, how easy it is to embellish a dream or spout off a 'vision' ...it's a 'no sweat' path to being a diy spiritual leader. lol

sometimes folks are not even taught to study the word...thing is, some folks study WITHOUT the Holy Spirit...not saying that is what you are doing personally....and come to their own conclusions

I just always urge caution and I take Jesus words as the authority on all of it

 

[ember]

I am concerned at the emphasis being placed on "dreams and visions" today, especially when they are in direct conflict with Scripture. If something comes to pass, or it gives authentic spiritual direction, that is in line with the Bible that is one thing.

Sadly, too many people (I'm speaking generically, not about specific people in this forum) think that EVERY thing they dream is a vision from God. I do believe that comes from both bad teaching, and a lack of knowledge of the Bible.

How many dreams did Joseph have? I think it was 2 intitally, but correct me if I am wrong. And of course, the two when he interpreted the baker and cup bearer's dreams, and the two dreams of Pharoah, which saved not only Egypt, but Israel. So 6 dreams in total?

Yet people think they are prophets called by God, like Joseph, and interpret every dream they have as from God. To say nothing of whacko interpretations of other people's dreams.

People, dreams can really be strong! They can overwhelm you, wake you up, make you cry, or afraid, or give you great joy! But non-Christians have those dreams in abundance, and it doesn't make them from God.

People need to focus on learning the Bible - memorization and study. That is where God speaks the most, and we can rely on it! I personally don't dream any more. So did that cut me off from God? NO! Instead, God speaks to me through his Word, and sometimes through the small still voice.

I would rather one touch from the Father every few months, than mixed up dreams and nightmares, in which I have no clue if the dreams are from God or my overactive imagination.

that is a great post Angela and I agree!

we don't really know how many dreams Joseph had...just the ones recorded...he was also able to interpret dreams

the emphasis is always on the word...agreed! if folks just follow what they consider 'spiritual' all kinds of quirky things can occur

 

[mpaper345]

Gen_37:8 And his brethren said to him, Shalt thou indeed reign over us? or shalt thou indeed have dominion over us? And they hated him yet the more for his dreams, and for his words.Joseph.

Joe_2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

Job 7:13 When I say, My bed shall comfort me, my couch shall ease my complaint;
Job 7:14 Then thou scarest me with dreams, and terrifiest me through visions:
Job 7:15 So that my soul chooseth strangling, and death rather than my life.
Job 33:14 For God speaketh once, yea twice, yet man perceiveth it not.
Job 33:15 In a dream, in a vision of the night, when deep sleep falleth upon men, in slumberings upon the bed;
Job 33:16 Then he openeth the ears of men, and sealeth their instruction,

But if you know the word of God,you will know if it is of God,for you would know if it lined up with the word of God,which if it comes from God,it will not be weird.

But the world,like the new age movement,that interprets the Bible according to evolution,and the occult,nature worship,and witchcraft,and people like them,go overboard,and think their dreams mean something,when they mean nothing of importance,for their interpretation of the Bible is fantasy land,and all a part of their imagination,which they believe the mind creates reality,more than the world of sense.If they can think it,they believe it is possible.

And I do not believe God actually gives people dreams,and visions,on a big scale,for it would have to be something of importance,and sometimes when people that claim Christ,say I dreamed this,or I had this vision,sometimes I am skeptical,did you really now,or did it come from your own mind.Not saying they did not,but the details kind of make me think that it did not come from God.

God never gave me a dream,that I know of,but sometimes I will dream of being in Church,or talking to someone about the Bible,and I never had a vision,but maybe those things are more for people that do not understand the Bible as much.

If God does give a dream,or a vision,it appears as if it will be along the lines of what God wants us to do,like reaching a certain group of people,or person,or on our behavior,to correct it,if it is bad,something like that,and it would not have to be so intense,and detailed,like some people claim their dream,or vision was,but it would appear as it would be simple.

Like Peter had a dream to go to Cornelius' house,and that Gentiles can be saved.

 

[Brainfreeze]

Gen_37:8 And his brethren said to him, Shalt thou indeed reign over us? or shalt thou indeed have dominion over us? And they hated him yet the more for his dreams, and for his words.Joseph.

Joe_2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

Job 7:13 When I say, My bed shall comfort me, my couch shall ease my complaint;
Job 7:14 Then thou scarest me with dreams, and terrifiest me through visions:
Job 7:15 So that my soul chooseth strangling, and death rather than my life.
Job 33:14 For God speaketh once, yea twice, yet man perceiveth it not.
Job 33:15 In a dream, in a vision of the night, when deep sleep falleth upon men, in slumberings upon the bed;
Job 33:16 Then he openeth the ears of men, and sealeth their instruction,

But if you know the word of God,you will know if it is of God,for you would know if it lined up with the word of God,which if it comes from God,it will not be weird.

But the world,like the new age movement,that interprets the Bible according to evolution,and the occult,nature worship,and witchcraft,and people like them,go overboard,and think their dreams mean something,when they mean nothing of importance,for their interpretation of the Bible is fantasy land,and all a part of their imagination,which they believe the mind creates reality,more than the world of sense.If they can think it,they believe it is possible.

And I do not believe God actually gives people dreams,and visions,on a big scale,for it would have to be something of importance,and sometimes when people that claim Christ,say I dreamed this,or I had this vision,sometimes I am skeptical,did you really now,or did it come from your own mind.Not saying they did not,but the details kind of make me think that it did not come from God.

God never gave me a dream,that I know of,but sometimes I will dream of being in Church,or talking to someone about the Bible,and I never had a vision,but maybe those things are more for people that do not understand the Bible as much.

If God does give a dream,or a vision,it appears as if it will be along the lines of what God wants us to do,like reaching a certain group of people,or person,or on our behavior,to correct it,if it is bad,something like that,and it would not have to be so intense,and detailed,like some people claim their dream,or vision was,but it would appear as it would be simple.

Like Peter had a dream to go to Cornelius' house,and that Gentiles can be saved.

I don't agree with all you said here, but I do agree with 95% of it. & thank you for posting that scripture in Job.

 

[jb]

Visions in dreams. Gen 46v2, Acts 2v17,18, Dan 7v1, 2v19.

Visions can be given in dreams, and angels as well as the Holy Spirit can take part in this ministry. Matt 1v20, 2v12,13,19,20,22. God can reveal future events, warn of people's attitudes, or give guidance through this means. These God-given dreams can never be confused with cheese-supper nightmares. There is a vividness and anointing with dreams from God, that has to be experienced to be appreciated; even Nebuchadnezzar knew that he had received a mighty revelation from God in a dream, and he was desperate to know the correct interpretation of it. Dan 2 (all).

It seems from Acts 16v9,10, that Paul was directed by a vision in a dream to go to Macedonia. God can reveal needs for prayer in this way, as well as things of vital significance. Gen 41v1-6,25, Dan 7v1. If we have a spiritual dream more than once, we should take particular note of it, for “it is because the thing is established by God, and God will shortly bring it to pass.” Gen 41v32. We need to remember that the dreams of Joseph recorded in Gen 37v4-11, took about twenty years to come to pass, and Pharaoh's dream took at least fourteen years to be fulfilled. Gen 41v1-8. Don't expect revelations to come to pass immediately. Some of Daniel's visions in dreams have not even yet come to pass; the vision of Dan 7v1-28, is surely one of the greatest revelations that any servant of God has ever had, and it appears to have been revealed in a dream.

NOTE: Peter tells us in Acts 2v16-21 (which was spoken to the Church) that in the last days Christians (especially the elderly) can expect God to communicate to His people in a far greater way through dreams due the great revival and outpouring of the Holy Spirit that will occur during those days.

 

[JosephsDreams]

Im not saying that God doesnt use dreams. My OP covers alot of areas of this gnostic invasion.


Im sorry that you do not like the deception revealed. I will continue to do so over and over again. Satan has his imitations to Gods miracles. My article should encourage people to be wise as serpents concerning the matter.

You misconstrue, I think. If your talking about me specifically, then I would take issue. If your talking about your view in general, but with exceptions, then we're good.

I think its great you reveal deceptions/ Good Christian.

 

[JosephsDreams]

I am concerned at the emphasis being placed on "dreams and visions" today, especially when they are in direct conflict with Scripture. If something comes to pass, or it gives authentic spiritual direction, that is in line with the Bible that is one thing.

Sadly, too many people (I'm speaking generically, not about specific people in this forum) think that EVERY thing they dream is a vision from God. I do believe that comes from both bad teaching, and a lack of knowledge of the Bible.

How many dreams did Joseph have? I think it was 2 intitally, but correct me if I am wrong. And of course, the two when he interpreted the baker and cup bearer's dreams, and the two dreams of Pharoah, which saved not only Egypt, but Israel. So 6 dreams in total?

Yet people think they are prophets called by God, like Joseph, and interpret every dream they have as from God. To say nothing of whacko interpretations of other people's dreams.

People, dreams can really be strong! They can overwhelm you, wake you up, make you cry, or afraid, or give you great joy! But non-Christians have those dreams in abundance, and it doesn't make them from God.

People need to focus on learning the Bible - memorization and study. That is where God speaks the most, and we can rely on it! I personally don't dream any more. So did that cut me off from God? NO! Instead, God speaks to me through his Word, and sometimes through the small still voice.

I would rather one touch from the Father every few months, than mixed up dreams and nightmares, in which I have no clue if the dreams are from God or my overactive imagination.

I agree with this A. All I am saying, and I know you made a point to not single me out, thank you, btw, is that I had these dreams, and they were messages, or God talking to me.
And yes, they are few and far between.
But we don't now how many Joseph is the bible had. We only know of the 2 mentioned.

 

[lettucepray]

This brings to mind Matthew 27:19... "Just then, as Pilate was sitting on the judgment seat, his wife sent him this message: “Leave that innocent man alone. I suffered through a terrible nightmare about him last night."


I often have dreams that "tell" me things about people, or reveal things about peoples characters. Usually friends, family or x girlfriends or such... I'm not sure what "mysticism" technically means but I definitely feel that dreams are ways of informing people of things. Although, some of them are just downright strange. I agree with whoever said that God is not the author of confusion too. Good point

 

[abcdef]

Heb 1:1-2
God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in times past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son.

 

[Blain]

Well Ms Suzanna I understand you were trying to make a point but you did it in kind of an accusing way and not Christ like at all.
Me personally I don't normally ask for a dream or vision God just gives it me, I think that receiving prophetic dreams and visions is a special gift of the spirit and is in fact very alive within the body however some seem to put more stock in these dreams and visions than in God and in the word itself and that is when it becomes an issue.

Learning to discern dreams from God and normal dreams takes time and we have to take in consideration how dreams work with the human mind. Things we think about often can affect our dreams if we are not feeling well that can affect them if we eat certain foods that can affect them I have even seen how certain sleeping medication can give some very strange dreams.