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Dan58

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The Duck Dynasty star and former minister paraphrased a bible verse saying that homosexuals would not inherit the kingdom of God, and A&E booted him off his own show. What a nice Christmas present. :( There's a downside to being a Christian and saying what we think. Being P.C. has over-run the first amendment. If you say what you believe, you lose your job.. Do you think firing Phil Robertson was the right thing for the network to do?

"Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God" (1 Corinthians 6:9-10)
 
Brother_Don

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Phil had it made, long before the show, he don't need the show.
 
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Well, let's see how much of their (when I say their, I am referring to A&E, not the Robertsons) programming I watch from now on. They make their revenue from advertising. Best place to hit 'em is in the ole pocketbook.
 
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st_sebastian

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Dan58 said:
The Duck Dynasty star and former minister paraphrased a bible verse saying that homosexuals would not inherit the kingdom of God, and A&E booted him off his own show.
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Is that all he said? Let's not pretend he stopped there (he spent some time talking about anatomy) and he had some interesting thoughts on race relations.
 
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st_sebastian said:
Is that all he said? Let's not pretend he stopped there (he spent some time talking about anatomy) and he had some interesting thoughts on race relations.
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Last time I checked the 1st amendment was supposed to guarantee free speech. Seems in America, there are certain topics that override the first amendment.
 
Pipp

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Shows how intolerant the "tolerate" crowd is, huh ?
 
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john832 said:
Last time I checked the 1st amendment was supposed to guarantee free speech. Seems in America, there are certain topics that override the first amendment.
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I'm skeptical you've ever actually checked. Have you actually read the first amendment? The first amendment says:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
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So, did Congress make a law about this guy? Did Congress abridge his free speech? Did Congress tell him he can't assemble or petition the government for the redress of grievances?

Where did you learn civics? Did you actually have a copy of the document to read or did you just hear "free speech" and think that every employer must put up with everything you say publicly?
 
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As an example of why you're misinterpreting free speech, I'm going to curse at you for just a bit: ***** * ******** ** ****** ****! ***** * *** ** *** ****!?! ****. ** ***** **** *******. ******* **** 17 ***!

Now, if I get banned, is that right or wrong? Does the first amendment apply here? I don't think it does apply here, because the Constitution or its amendments never promised me that I'd be able to stay on CC. Christian Chat is free to determine who can stay or go and at no point can government step in and tell CC to either keep me or ban me. The first amendment is not remotely applicable here.

Now, if CC were accepting government money, then it could make rules. Last time I checked (and like you, I'm just making this up, because I didn't ever ask the mods), they don't take government money.

In the very same way, the Constitution and its amendments never promise that you can say whatever you want and keep your job. That is up to your employer.

If you think free speech means everything, then it means nothing.
 
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gb9

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the left is all about free speech until someone says something they don't like. them they want that person censored.
 
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st_sebastian

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the left is all about free speech until someone says something they don't like. them they want that person censored.
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The left is all about realizing that the 1st amendment protects you from retaliation from the government and bodies that fall under governmental regulation, not from being fired from your job or being boycotted by people who find what you say offensive. Never, ever have serious Americans of left or right thought that free speech meant you can't get fired or boycotted or made fun of on the news or...

When the guy is arrested or otherwise penalized by the government, please then tell us how his free speech has been infringed.

Bad civics + persecution complex = nonsense.
 
Dan58

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st_sebastian said:
Now, if CC were accepting government money, then it could make rules. Last time I checked (and like you, I'm just making this up, because I didn't ever ask the mods), they don't take government money.

In the very same way, the Constitution and its amendments never promise that you can say whatever you want and keep your job. That is up to your employer.
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You have a good point, an employer can pretty much fire you for any reason they want. However, I suspect that if a Muslim said something comparable to what the Duck Commander said, I doubt A&E would have canned the Muslim?
 
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You have a good point, an employer can pretty much fire you for any reason they want. However, I suspect that if a Muslim said something comparable to what the Duck Commander said, I doubt they would have been canned?
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It's true that people are hypocrites. Worse things are said all the time on TV and people manage to keep their jobs.

But my point in this thread is that #1) the guy didn't just paraphrase a Bible verse. He said a whole lot more and has said more in the past that is just now coming to light. And #2) the 1st amendment has nothing to do with the actual case. If a Muslim had said it and was fired, it still wouldn't apply.

But yes, people are hypocrites and give special consideration to all sorts of groups.
 
Bowman

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Dan58 said:
The Duck Dynasty star and former minister paraphrased a bible verse saying that homosexuals would not inherit the kingdom of God, and A&E booted him off his own show. What a nice Christmas present. :( There's a downside to being a Christian and saying what we think. Being P.C. has over-run the first amendment. If you say what you believe, you lose your job.. Do you think firing Phil Robertson was the right thing for the network to do?

"Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God" (1 Corinthians 6:9-10)
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I stand with Phil. I also stand with the rest of the family members should they decide to NOT continue making new episodes. They are not about making more money than they already had before the reality show even started.

The best Christian message that they could project to the world, from this platform, would be to boycott the show altogether (while they are at the top) and end the cash-cow for the liberal company A&E.

I'm tired of the entertainment industry bowing-down to an 'anything goes...I'm Ok...you're OK...we're all OK whatever we do....the more perverse you are, the better' social mentality which so much pervades our culture today.

Since when did idolizing 'stupid' become the thing to do in the first place...? Oh yeah....it started back when it became cool to mimic geeks and wear our pants down around our ankles...

 
Dan58

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st_sebastian said:
It's true that people are hypocrites. Worse things are said all the time on TV and people manage to keep their jobs.

But my point in this thread is that #1) the guy didn't just paraphrase a Bible verse. He said a whole lot more and has said more in the past that is just now coming to light. And #2) the 1st amendment has nothing to do with the actual case. If a Muslim had said it and was fired, it still wouldn't apply.

But yes, people are hypocrites and give special consideration to all sorts of groups.
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Yes, but I suspect A&E had foreknowledge that Robertson was a former conservative minister too. Perhaps they should have prohibited him from doing the interview with GQ magazine? In any case, I don't think its appropriate to fire a person for their religious beliefs. The guy probably didn't articulate himself very well, but the repercussions seem excessive. From what I understand, the entire family is standing behind their patriarch now and will not do the show without him. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out.
 
wisebeardman

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st_sebastian said:
As an example of why you're misinterpreting free speech, I'm going to curse at you for just a bit: ***** * ******** ** ****** ****! ***** * *** ** *** ****!?! ****. ** ***** **** *******. ******* **** 17 ***!

Now, if I get banned, is that right or wrong? Does the first amendment apply here? I don't think it does apply here, because the Constitution or its amendments never promised me that I'd be able to stay on CC. Christian Chat is free to determine who can stay or go and at no point can government step in and tell CC to either keep me or ban me. The first amendment is not remotely applicable here.

Now, if CC were accepting government money, then it could make rules. Last time I checked (and like you, I'm just making this up, because I didn't ever ask the mods), they don't take government money.

In the very same way, the Constitution and its amendments never promise that you can say whatever you want and keep your job. That is up to your employer.

If you think free speech means everything, then it means nothing.
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Lets reverse this whole thing. Lets say it was a gay man that had a show on A&E and he did a interview with GQ and in that interview he said strait people were going to hell. And lets say A&E fired said gay man for what he said in the interview.

The left would go nuts, the ACLU and other left wing organizations would have suits filed in the courts, the left wing "president" would be on tv saying how bad A&E is for firing the gay man for speaking his 1st admendment rights. All you would hear on all the networks would be how A&E is a bad bad company for firing the man. we would never hear the end of it.
 
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st_sebastian

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Dan58 said:
In any case, I don't think its appropriate to fire a person for their religious beliefs.
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They didn't. They fired him for giving interviews about his religious beliefs and comments on race in Louisiana (my home) before and after giving welfare and entitlements to black people, before which (he reports) they were happy and godly.

Of course no pre-civil rights black person complained about white people in front of a white person.

Nobody infringed on his right to hold or practice his religion. But they did say he ought not have done an interview, said those things, and expected to keep a job.
 
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st_sebastian

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Lets reverse this whole thing. Lets say it was a gay man that had a show on A&E and he did a interview with GQ and in that interview he said strait people were going to hell. And lets say A&E fired said gay man for what he said in the interview.

The left would go nuts, the ACLU and other left wing organizations would have suits filed in the courts, the left wing "president" would be on tv saying how bad A&E is for firing the gay man for speaking his 1st admendment rights. All you would hear on all the networks would be how A&E is a bad bad company for firing the man. we would never hear the end of it.
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Yes, and those people would all be hypocrites and I'd be typing this elsewhere. Just because some people are hypocrites over there doesn't mean it's ok to do it here.

Yes, people in general completely misinterpret the 1st amendment. Uninformed people are everywhere.

But let's be clear - the right is going just as nuts. I've seen t-shirts for sale.
 
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john832

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st_sebastian said:
As an example of why you're misinterpreting free speech, I'm going to curse at you for just a bit: ***** * ******** ** ****** ****! ***** * *** ** *** ****!?! ****. ** ***** **** *******. ******* **** 17 ***!

Now, if I get banned, is that right or wrong? Does the first amendment apply here? I don't think it does apply here, because the Constitution or its amendments never promised me that I'd be able to stay on CC. Christian Chat is free to determine who can stay or go and at no point can government step in and tell CC to either keep me or ban me. The first amendment is not remotely applicable here.

Now, if CC were accepting government money, then it could make rules. Last time I checked (and like you, I'm just making this up, because I didn't ever ask the mods), they don't take government money.

In the very same way, the Constitution and its amendments never promise that you can say whatever you want and keep your job. That is up to your employer.

If you think free speech means everything, then it means nothing.
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OK, curse me all you want. You have the right to do that. You should not be censored for it. If this forum censored those who did not subscribe to traditional Christianity, I would not be able to post.

I think you are a LIBERAL arts major.
 
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wisebeardman said:
Lets reverse this whole thing. Lets say it was a gay man that had a show on A&E and he did a interview with GQ and in that interview he said strait people were going to hell. And lets say A&E fired said gay man for what he said in the interview.

The left would go nuts, the ACLU and other left wing organizations would have suits filed in the courts, the left wing "president" would be on tv saying how bad A&E is for firing the gay man for speaking his 1st admendment rights. All you would hear on all the networks would be how A&E is a bad bad company for firing the man. we would never hear the end of it.
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And actually, I would support said gay guy's right to say that. I never said it had to be agreeable to me, if it did, then I couldn't support the other side either.
 
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john832 said:
OK, curse me all you want. You have the right to do that.
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I most certainly do not. That is breaking the rules of CC. No amendment to the constitution can give me that right. If I had actually done it, I should have been banned.

That sound you heard was not a government spy plane putting contrails above your house to control your brain. It was the point, sailing high over your head.
 
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