Dying without Forgiveness

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Jul 18, 2009
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Ok hypothetically speaking if someone did something to you in the past and you hated them for it and forgot all about them later on thus not forgiving them would you be sent to Hell? I have heard those who do not forgive have no forgiveness. Another example say a criminal comes to your door and threatens your life do you invite him back and give him a second chance at the risk of dying or do you avoid him? So yeah does dying in these terms send you straight to Hell?
 
Jul 21, 2009
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Hypothetically speaking, If you hated someone for a past offense but then forgot all about it. Id say that the specific offense matters not. What does matter is the hate you may still be holding on to. If you remember, which your post about it would indicate, I'd ask if you still hated that person?

Now, about a judgement of hell.. which is the lake of fire, is where only the unsaved will go. As a born again believer, all your sins are forgiven. Even a Christian can die with sins not dealt with but this does not mean they will lose their salvation. Those sins, like all works done in the flesh will be judged by God. Those sins will be tested by fire , as will all our works, to see if they are of God or of the flesh. There will be weeping of course and a loss of reward from God, but, we shall be saved as if by fire.

Are you Born again?
 
Jan 8, 2009
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Jesus taught that unless we forgive others, God won't forgive us. He gave a nice parable about a servant who was forgiven his debts , but then refused to show the same mercy and forgive the debts of his own servant.

Now, I believe that dying without God's forgiveness in this life leads to hell. But if a person wants to test God by expecting him to forgive known unreprented sin such as unforgiveness on the other side after death, I wouldn't take that chance.

There was a man, at one of Reinharde Bonke's crusades I think , who died and went to heaven, God sternly warned him he was in danger of hell fire because of an argument he had with his wife and unforgiveness to her.
 
Jul 21, 2009
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Reinhard Bonke?

Some years ago, Mr Bonke came to America, to the Portland , Oregon area. A friend of mine at my church was heavily involved in the planning of the crusade. Also, because of her involvement, I was also involved in helping her help his crusade plans. He also came to our church the day after his crusade.

What transpired I dare not say, but my opinion of Mr Bonke quickly changed when I saw who he was behind the scene. Lets just say he lacks integrity and fired the lady because he felt she didn't draw in a large enough crowd to pay his bills.

Not only did he break his word to our home church, he broke his word to her. I lost total respect for the man and so using his name means nothing to me.

sorry.
 
Jan 8, 2009
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Well his own name and person is irrelevant the story was told all on the TV Benny Hinn etc and the man's webpage is here for anyone to read about a Nigerian pastor's experience. :

http://www.geocities.com/discoverchurch/daniel.htm

Enjoy.

The relevant part is:

The angel also reminded him that Jesus promised that God will
not forgive our sins if we do not forgive others (Matt. 6:14-15),
because we will reap what we have sown. Only those who are
merciful will obtain mercy (Matt 5:7). The angel told Daniel that
the prayers he prayed as he was dying in the hospital were of no
effect, because he refused to forgive his wife even when she
attempted to reconcile on the morning of his fatal accident.
 
Jul 18, 2009
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So if you forget about it is it ok? What is it that sends you to hell about unforgiveness is it the hate or bitterness attatched to unforgiveness? Like for example you die hating someone in your mind and heart for a past act they did and do not want to love or forgive them?
 
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So if you forget about it is it ok? What is it that sends you to hell about unforgiveness is it the hate or bitterness attatched to unforgiveness? Like for example you die hating someone in your mind and heart for a past act they did and do not want to love or forgive them?
Our God is a vengeful God, and a jealous God, a God of wrath as much as a God of love, Jesus who is the Lord our God said that we must hate the world and everything in it, as Christ divides us from the world you may find yourself hating your own mother and father, and if they are anti-christs then Jesus tells us that we should hate them, we should even abandon the dead, abandon our own family even our own lives we must hate, true Christians hate their worldly lives, hate is very much an essence of what it means to be Christian, do not feel sad because you hate whats in the world, even God hates the world and is against the world, and the world hated Him, hate and revenge are essential qualities in a Christian life.
 
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What? Are you serious man?
Luke 14:25-26

'And there went a great multitudes with Him: and He turned to them, and said unto them;
"If any man come to Me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple."
 
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Hate means love less, does it not? It doesn't mean hate as the world uses it. Your statements Cup are a bit off base and I don't believe come from God's Spirit.

Where does the bible say we should hate anti Christs? Technically, EVERY unbeliever is an anti Christ, and we cannot hate them and declare the Gospel at the same time. Hate is not what is in essence to be a Christian, but love.
 
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Hate means love less, does it not?
No 'Snail, hate means hate, Miseo is the Koine Greek word; it means 'to detest' 'dislike', 'unwillingness', it has a very similar meaning to our English word "hate"...I can say 'I hate injustice' and mean I have an unwillingness to associate and with injustice, I detest injustice'. Christians are to be seperate from the world and unwilling to take part in unholiness and lies, but that does not mean that you must be physically removed from it alltogether, you are in the world but you are from God, you are to be a light unto the world, so it is not Christian to always runaway and hide from darkness, but to confront darkness with light. When Jesus says "Ye are salt" He means that His disciples are to be like 'salt', what is 'salt' it is a preservative, it preserves, if you alpply salt to meat it lasts much longer, it protects from infection, corruption - it simp[ly does not go rotten, so Jesus calls His follows 'salt'!

There is nothing wrong with detesting the world, there is nothing wrong with Jesus saying you must hate your own life, but at the same time does not love exist?, certainly, He is a God of love is he not? There is no contradiction in what He says, by hating yourself does not mean you should want to defile your own body and mind, abuse it, he does not say that...'We wrestle not against flesh and blood, but spiritual powers'. If there is a wicked spirit in us we should Miseo that spirit, flesh and blood is flesh and blood, but test the spirits to see if they are from God.
 
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