Easy Believism and Lordship Salvation (why both are false Gospels)
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Absolutely! What else do sinners today need
Absolutely true!
Also important is the word, "those who have ears to hear let them hear". There is a command of Elohim to remember and recite when we rise up, when we lay down, and when we walk along the way. To, "Hear O Israel YHWH Elohim YHWH is One. "
This saying has so many teachings. One of them is to Love YHWH our Elohi with all our Heart, Mind, and strength. To renew my mind on Messiah is to submit to the Father's instructions through obedience. Many forget this
Absolutely true!
Also important is the word, "those who have ears to hear let them hear". There is a command of Elohim to remember and recite when we rise up, when we lay down, and when we walk along the way. To, "Hear O Israel YHWH Elohim YHWH is One. "
This saying has so many teachings. One of them is to Love YHWH our Elohi with all our Heart, Mind, and strength. To renew my mind on Messiah is to submit to the Father's instructions through obedience. Many forget this
Obedience::
An obedient person is one who is following the rules to the letter. Once a person fails to follow the rules to the letter then they have ceased to be obedient..
A person can only be in a state of obedience if they maintain a 100% successful record of following the rules.. Once they fail.. and it only has to be once.. Then they are disobedient.. And if we Must be obedient to have eternal salvation then the first time a person is disobedient they have lost their eternal salvation..
That's if one believes and preaches that people Must be Obedient..
An obedient person is one who is following the rules to the letter. Once a person fails to follow the rules to the letter then they have ceased to be obedient..
A person can only be in a state of obedience if they maintain a 100% successful record of following the rules.. Once they fail.. and it only has to be once.. Then they are disobedient.. And if we Must be obedient to have eternal salvation then the first time a person is disobedient they have lost their eternal salvation..
That's if one believes and preaches that people Must be Obedient..
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I am standing up against the impossable standard being preached that we Must be obedient... No one can attain a state of 100% obedience to the standards of God.. All fall short of the standards of God.. Once you make obedience to the standards of God a MUST then you have placed a stumbling stone before peoples faith and hope for eternal life.. I am not setting an impossible standard.. I am standing against the impossible standard that has been preached in this thread..
Please read my posts again... I am opposed to the works salvation mindset and doctrines.. I have consistently opposed works salvation doctrines in this forum..
Please read my posts again... I am opposed to the works salvation mindset and doctrines.. I have consistently opposed works salvation doctrines in this forum..
You seem to be forgetting a couple of things: (1) the power of the indwelling Holy Spirit -- And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power (Eph 1:19)
and (2) Paul's unequivocal statement which said : I can do all things THROUGH CHRIST who strengthens me". John said "His commandments are not grievous".
and (2) Paul's unequivocal statement which said : I can do all things THROUGH CHRIST who strengthens me". John said "His commandments are not grievous".
So you are preaching that one can be 100% obedient to the standards of God Nehemiah... Woe to you if you fail to live up to those perfect standards just once Nehemiah.. just once..
And another thing.. If the Holy Spirit can cause us to be 100% obedient to the standards of God then we only have two options if we then fall down in keeping up to those standards..
1) The Holy Spirit has failed to cause us to maintain your 100% record in obedience.. Which is saying that God has failed..
2) The Holy Spirit no longer dwells within us.. Which is saying that we are no longer saved.. that the Holy Spirit has departed us..
And another thing.. If the Holy Spirit can cause us to be 100% obedient to the standards of God then we only have two options if we then fall down in keeping up to those standards..
1) The Holy Spirit has failed to cause us to maintain your 100% record in obedience.. Which is saying that God has failed..
2) The Holy Spirit no longer dwells within us.. Which is saying that we are no longer saved.. that the Holy Spirit has departed us..
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If I have failed at the perfect Law of Elohim I have put my trust in Messiah that I may live. If I have put my trust in Messiah that I may live why do you put an impossible task before me to accomplish? Is it impossible for me to become perfect by way of Faith? Does not wisdom teach to fear YHWH Elohim because only He has the ability to throw body and soul into the pit or cleanse my every transgression against the Holy Commandment...
Now do You See a legalistic ideology just because I say the Law is Good? Because I know a legalistic ideology looks like a person who remains quite sure of themselves and has no room for others who teach anything differently from themselves. The Sadusees of the day quote scripture and narcissisticly throw out words like Legalistic mindset all along forgetting we are all held up to a perfect example of obedience. As it is written, "those who practice righteousness are righteous". Anyway taken with all of scripture I am confident that Messiah is still able to save me.
Now do You See a legalistic ideology just because I say the Law is Good? Because I know a legalistic ideology looks like a person who remains quite sure of themselves and has no room for others who teach anything differently from themselves. The Sadusees of the day quote scripture and narcissisticly throw out words like Legalistic mindset all along forgetting we are all held up to a perfect example of obedience. As it is written, "those who practice righteousness are righteous". Anyway taken with all of scripture I am confident that Messiah is still able to save me.
I oppose Works salvation as well as simple belief or lordship based salvation.
James 2 says that demons believe that Elohim is One and they fear him.. Those who do fear Elohim do walk in his ways. This is what the beginning of wisdom is and its effect on the believer.
Second many will say Master to the Messiah in that day and didn't we do great things in your name? He says get away from me you workers of lawlessness. Again who does Messiah say are his mother, brother, and sister? Those who do the will of the Father... The commandments are meant to be a guide not salvation. Salvation is by Grace through Faith. We do live a life running the race of sanctification through the Holy Word of Elohim if we are saved by Grace through Faith. It's not that difficult to understand that I and others who teach to guard the commands of YHWH Elohim are not teaching a works based salvation. It is a very narrow path and on the either side there are people who reject the truth. Either Messiah is the Sabbath or the Sabbath is the seal of Elohim. The Lord and Master of the Sabbath day is Messiah and it is simply a sign that you are his people and he is your Elohim.. Good Fruit is not the command though it is good for correction and instruction. Righteousness, patience, long suffering are good fruits...
James 2 says that demons believe that Elohim is One and they fear him.. Those who do fear Elohim do walk in his ways. This is what the beginning of wisdom is and its effect on the believer.
Second many will say Master to the Messiah in that day and didn't we do great things in your name? He says get away from me you workers of lawlessness. Again who does Messiah say are his mother, brother, and sister? Those who do the will of the Father... The commandments are meant to be a guide not salvation. Salvation is by Grace through Faith. We do live a life running the race of sanctification through the Holy Word of Elohim if we are saved by Grace through Faith. It's not that difficult to understand that I and others who teach to guard the commands of YHWH Elohim are not teaching a works based salvation. It is a very narrow path and on the either side there are people who reject the truth. Either Messiah is the Sabbath or the Sabbath is the seal of Elohim. The Lord and Master of the Sabbath day is Messiah and it is simply a sign that you are his people and he is your Elohim.. Good Fruit is not the command though it is good for correction and instruction. Righteousness, patience, long suffering are good fruits...
I have absolutely no problem with people promoting the Law and striving to do the law and teaching others that Law doing is good and that it pleases God when we strive to do good and we do our best to avoid taking part in evil..
But i will absolutely oppose anyone who teaches that law doing is linked with us being saved or not being saved.. That's the Line that should never be crossed over.. We are saved 100% by believing ( That is believing the teachings of God ) having Faith ( that is trusting) in the Atonement Jesus secured on the cross which gifts us forgiveness for all our transgressions against Gods teachings..
We are saved by Believing and Trusting.... We are Not saved by doing the Law.... Once a person starts to preach that we MUST do the Law to be saved or to maintain salvation then they have rejected salvation by the Atonement of the LORD Jesus Christ.. They have crossed the border into works salvation doctrine..
The very scripture you mentioned makes it clear that those who will be rejected by the LORD on the day of Judgement will be putting forward their many wonderful works as justification for their eternal place with Jesus..
Matthew 7: KJV
22 "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? {23} And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."
These people are not standing before the LORD crying Lord Lord did we not believe in your Word and trust in the atonement you provided for our justification.... Nope they are trying to justify themselves before the LORD by their many wonderful works..
There is only One Way to eternal salvation and that Way is by Faith and not by works.. Anyone who declares that their works either win for them salvation or maintains for them their salvation have fallen from salvation.. Or never believed salvation by the Atonement of the LORD Jesus Christ in the first place..
But i will absolutely oppose anyone who teaches that law doing is linked with us being saved or not being saved.. That's the Line that should never be crossed over.. We are saved 100% by believing ( That is believing the teachings of God ) having Faith ( that is trusting) in the Atonement Jesus secured on the cross which gifts us forgiveness for all our transgressions against Gods teachings..
We are saved by Believing and Trusting.... We are Not saved by doing the Law.... Once a person starts to preach that we MUST do the Law to be saved or to maintain salvation then they have rejected salvation by the Atonement of the LORD Jesus Christ.. They have crossed the border into works salvation doctrine..
The very scripture you mentioned makes it clear that those who will be rejected by the LORD on the day of Judgement will be putting forward their many wonderful works as justification for their eternal place with Jesus..
Matthew 7: KJV
22 "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? {23} And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."
These people are not standing before the LORD crying Lord Lord did we not believe in your Word and trust in the atonement you provided for our justification.... Nope they are trying to justify themselves before the LORD by their many wonderful works..
There is only One Way to eternal salvation and that Way is by Faith and not by works.. Anyone who declares that their works either win for them salvation or maintains for them their salvation have fallen from salvation.. Or never believed salvation by the Atonement of the LORD Jesus Christ in the first place..
You're just setting up and knocking down a straw man by saying that obedience has to be 100% or it's not obedience; therefore since we can't be 100% obedient, obedience is not required. That's an erroneous perception of grace. Obedience is learned, and GOD gives us the grace to make mistakes and learn. It's like anything else: you get good at something by doing it. Those who don't attempt things because they are afraid of failing will never be successful. That attitude is unbelief in grace.
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