Enter My 'rest.' Is this Heaven on earth, or, what?

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GreenNnice

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Pickled, the way you sayvthings is utterly positive and always in Jesus, what a wonderful, 'restful' way to go about life on earth. What rewards ! Here. Await . :)
 

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Pickled, the way you sayvthings is utterly positive and always in Jesus, what a wonderful, 'restful' way to go about life on earth. What rewards ! Here. Await . :)
Everything good in me is Jesus, so give all praise to Him. :)
we are all just the electrical cords, that which God's power works through, Jesus being always the light!


God bless
pickles
 
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psychomom

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Everything good in me is Jesus, so give all praise to Him. :)
we are all just the electrical cords, that which God's power works through, Jesus being always the light!


God bless
pickles
What a great metaphor!
Can I
use that? ;)
 
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markatrart

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Hebrews 3 speaks of entering God's rest. The Hebrews didn't enter it because of many disobediences to God, they tried God's last 'patience,' He was faithful, but then He said, gasp! , ' these people will not enter My rest.'


Is it really possible to win the race to rest before we get to Heaven?

Is this what is meant by: 'Repent, for the kingdom.of Heaven is at hand!' ?

What does this mean, Christ peeps :)

(The straight gate is the promised rest in Hebrews, the wide gate are Christians who come through the Red Sea but are content to STAY in the wilderness)

Cross The Jordan River,............ The River was stopped at ADAM (The beginning) and The Great Salt Sea (Hades)............... Jesus Christ fought and won the battle of Armageddon 2000 years ago!


We are more than conquers in Christ!
 
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Hebrews 3 speaks of entering God's rest. The Hebrews didn't enter it because of many disobediences to God, they tried God's last 'patience,' He was faithful, but then He said, gasp! , ' these people will not enter My rest.'
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When we study the Bible, before you open the Bible we should pray:
"My father who is in heaven, sanctified be thy name, please send your holy spirit into my heart and open my eyes that I may understand your word. Show me what is truth. Thank you father."

This shoudl be prayed every time we open the Bible.

Because what you are about to read will go against what you thought before, and we need the word to change us and teach us,

When we don
'tunderstand" something, then you had reached a point where he was telling you "what you read goes against what you used to think" and the serpent always tells us "YOU DONT UNDERSTAND, STOP IT DO SOMETHING ELSE"

Well, when you dont understand then you pray.

then you go back and read the WHOLE CHAPTER SLOWLY and ask WHAT IS GOD TALKING ABOUT in each verse, and CONTINUE the thought"

Also you have to have a concordance and look up what the word REST really meant in original.

you can use "the word" program online on your computer and see the word meanings.

Now you have to BELIEVE WHAT THE WORD MEANS even though you thought it was something else, then just read it again
look it up
read it again
look it up

And he who seeks will FIND!

I know what that means but you need to look for it. The meanings on this thread are all incorrect, since this is a topic that we have been told something else on for a long time.

May God lead you to the truth every day.

a small child never says to parent, O, I dont think what your telling me is right, all I know is eating and sleeping and getting carried around, I dont believe we should be WALKING!!!

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Crossfire

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Hebrews 3 speaks of entering God's rest. The Hebrews didn't enter it because of many disobediences to God, they tried God's last 'patience,' He was faithful, but then He said, gasp! , ' these people will not enter My rest.'


Is it really possible to win the race to rest before we get to Heaven?

Is this what is meant by: 'Repent, for the kingdom.of Heaven is at hand!' ?

What does this mean, Christ peeps :)
It's a state of the spiritual well being that can indeed be attained in this life where both the human will and heart thinks and feels according to God's word rather than the ways of the world and / or the desires of the flesh.

Colossians 3:1-16

1 If then you have been raised with Christ [to a new life, thus sharing His resurrection from the dead], aim at and seek the [rich, eternal treasures] that are above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God.

2 And set your minds and keep them set on what is above (the higher things), not on the things that are on the earth.

3 For [as far as this world is concerned] you have died, and your [new, real] life is hidden with Christ in God.

4 When Christ, Who is our life, appears, then you also will appear with Him in [the splendor of His] glory.

5 So kill (deaden, deprive of power) the evil desire lurking in your members [those animal impulses and all that is earthly in you that is employed in sin]: sexual vice, impurity, sensual appetites, unholy desires, and all greed and covetousness, for that is idolatry (the deifying of self and other created things instead of God).

6 It is on account of these [very sins] that the [holy] anger of God is ever coming upon the sons of disobedience (those who are obstinately opposed to the divine will),

7 Among whom you also once walked, when you were living in and addicted to [such practices].

8 But now put away and rid yourselves [completely] of all these things: anger, rage, bad feeling toward others, curses and slander, and foulmouthed abuse and shameful utterances from your lips!

9 Do not lie to one another, for you have stripped off the old (unregenerate) self with its evil practices,

10 And have clothed yourselves with the new [spiritual self], which is [ever in the process of being] renewed and remolded into [fuller and more perfect knowledge upon] knowledge after the image (the likeness) of Him Who created it.

11 [In this new creation all distinctions vanish.] There is no room for and there can be neither Greek nor Jew, circumcised nor uncircumcised, [nor difference between nations whether alien] barbarians or Scythians [who are the most savage of all], nor slave or free man; but Christ is all and in all [everything and everywhere, to all men, without distinction of person].

12 Clothe yourselves therefore, as God’s own chosen ones (His own picked representatives), [who are] purified and holy and well-beloved [by God Himself, by putting on behavior marked by] tenderhearted pity and mercy, kind feeling, a lowly opinion of yourselves, gentle ways, [and] patience [which is tireless and long-suffering, and has the power to endure whatever comes, with good temper].

13 Be gentle and forbearing with one another and, if one has a difference (a grievance or complaint) against another, readily pardoning each other; even as the Lord has [freely] forgiven you, so must you also [forgive].

14 And above all these [put on] love and enfold yourselves with the bond of perfectness [which binds everything together completely in ideal harmony].

15 And let the peace (soul harmony which comes) from Christ rule (act as umpire continually) in your hearts [deciding and settling with finality all questions that arise in your minds, in that peaceful state] to which as [members of Christ’s] one body you were also called [to live]. And be thankful (appreciative), [giving praise to God always].


16 Let the word [spoken by] Christ (the Messiah) have its home [in your hearts and minds] and dwell in you in [all its] richness, as you teach and admonish and train one another in all insight and intelligence and wisdom [in spiritual things, and as you sing] psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, making melody to God with [His] grace in your hearts.

Philipians 4: 4-9

4 Rejoice in the Lord always [delight, gladden yourselves in Him]; again I say, Rejoice!

5 Let all men know and perceive and recognize your unselfishness (your considerateness, your forbearing spirit). The Lord is near [He is coming soon].

6 Do not fret or have any anxiety about anything, but in every circumstance and in everything, by prayer and petition (definite requests), with thanksgiving, continue to make your wants known to God.

7 And God’s peace [shall be yours, that tranquil state of a soul assured of its salvation through Christ, and so fearing nothing from God and being content with its earthly lot of whatever sort that is, that peace] which transcends all understanding shall garrison and mount guard over your hearts and minds in Christ Jesus.

8 For the rest, brethren, whatever is true, whatever is worthy of reverence and is honorable and seemly, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely and lovable, whatever is kind and winsome and gracious, if there is any virtue and excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think on and weigh and take account of these things [fix your minds on them].

9 Practice what you have learned and received and heard and seen in me, and model your way of living on it, and the God of peace (of untroubled, undisturbed well-being) will be with you.


Hebrews 4: 11 12

11 Let us therefore be zealous and exert ourselves and strive diligently to enter that rest [of God, to know and experience it for ourselves], that no one may fall or perish by the same kind of unbelief and disobedience [into which those in the wilderness fell].

12 For the Word that God speaks is alive and full of power [making it active, operative, energizing, and effective]; it is sharper than any two-edged sword, penetrating to the dividing line of the breath of life (soul) and [the immortal] spirit, and of joints and marrow [of the deepest parts of our nature], exposing and sifting and analyzing and judging the very thoughts and purposes of the heart.
 
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mule

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Thy will be done -- on EARTH as it is in heaven -- amen?
 
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markatrart

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Hebrews 3 speaks of entering God's rest. The Hebrews didn't enter it because of many disobediences to God, they tried God's last 'patience,' He was faithful, but then He said, gasp! , ' these people will not enter My rest.'
(Christians that live for the world are Christians in turmoil, Christians who BELIEVE ALL Gods' promises enter into His Sabbath Rest " BY FAITH IN THE FINISHED WORK OF CHRIST"........ If a Christian does not believe Jesus Christ fulfilled every jot and tittle of The Law of sin and death, then that Christian is not walking by FAITH but by what he sees! THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS INVISIBLE AND THOSE WHO WOULD ENTER HIS REST must as The Word says "WALK BY FAITH AND NOT BY SIGHT.

Is it really possible to win the race to rest before we get to Heaven?

The Head has already crossed and we are connected to the Head, WE ARE MORE THAN CONQURERS IN CHRIST, HE HAS MADE THE WAY FOR US TO ENTER THE HOLY OF HOLIES.......... This is That Promised Rest

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s this what is meant by: 'Repent, for the kingdom.of Heaven is at hand!' ?


(Simply put, we must not serve the flesh if we desire to enter The Holy of Holies this side of Eternity. Remember, flesh and blood cannot enter so we must put off the deeds of the flesh by The Power in The Blood of The Lamb and be bold in The Holy Spirit and take The Kingdom of Heaven by force "The force kills the deeds of the flesh so we can have great confidence in The Faith He has given to every man)

Set your mind on things above, for you are dead and your life is hid in Christ with God!



What does this mean, Christ peeps :)
 

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It's a state of the spiritual well being that can indeed be attained in this life where both the human will and heart thinks and feels according to God's word rather than the ways of the world and / or the desires of the flesh.

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Attained.

Nothing of the spirit is attained.

Its received. Because it is a gift.

Ye have not, because ye ask not.

Come to Him and ask. The Lord says you must come to Him as a child. A child doesn't work to attain assurance and security from His Father. A child asks His Father for it. And His Father freely gives it.

Just trying to simplify it for everyone. Adding to a really good post...

Good Post Crossfire!!!
 
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markatrart

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Pickled, the way you sayvthings is utterly positive and always in Jesus, what a wonderful, 'restful' way to go about life on earth. What rewards ! Here. Await . :)
REVELATION 4:1

After these things I looked, and behold, a door standing open in heaven. And the first voice which I heard was like a trumpet speaking with me, saying, “Come up here, and I will show you things which must take place after this.”


THIS IS THE DOORWAY TO REST, FLESH CANNOT ENTER, SIN CANNOT ENTER, THE OLD NATURE CANNOT ENTER........... but by Faith in the finished work of Jesus Christ all Blood washed Christians have an open invitation to enter boldly in times of need.
 
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GreenNnice

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I do, everything I say on c.c. is said after prayer to Him, if not consciously, subconsciously, Richintruth. :)

Now, very heavy accusations of my interpretation of 'rest,' and, I agree 100% with the Lord's way of showing 'rest' to me in life, it is by His perfect transfluence in me, working in me, as I movement, thoughts and actions, these from Him, all from Him, all for His glory living on earth :)

But, yes, if possible, do support your casual vagueness and do explain my wrong 'rest' understanding, I would Love to be humbled, the Lord leads :)

Rest is getting your life to a point of understanding that EVERY bone in your body vibrated as He leads, this only clearly understood by one who lives their life through faith, understanding it's truest meaning, understanding to rightly divide it in Scripture with other verses of faith and accountability and the very reality that through faith, the wrong faith, we can fall from the simple grace God gave us by His death on a tree. So, as long as we can stay in Him, abide in Him, become the 'branch' he wants (bearing much fruit) and accepting His inevitable prunings, we dumbz stupid, highly dependent sheep, who have the RIGHT to sin or not, will be in His 'rest' as we 'run our race' through 'spirited' faith, until it is finished. :)
 
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Crossfire

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Attained.

Nothing of the spirit is attained.

Its received. Because it is a gift.

Ye have not, because ye ask not.

Come to Him and ask. The Lord says you must come to Him as a child. A child doesn't work to attain assurance and security from His Father. A child asks His Father for it. And His Father freely gives it.

Just trying to simplify it for everyone. Adding to a really good post...

Good Post Crossfire!!!
I do agree with you Grandpa. I almost used the word "achieved" but changed it for the exact reason you stated. "Attained" seemed more correct even though it still doesn't give the concept justice.
 
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GreenNnice

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I do agree with you Grandpa. I almost used the word "achieved" but changed it for the exact reason you stated. "Attained" seemed more correct even though it still doesn't give the concept justice.
Yes, I agree with gramps (imagine that :D ) , the word is not 'attained,' but, gramps is wrong, too, the spirit is not received either, the spirital life , truest sense ofvthise two words is THROUGH FAITH. It is an ACTIVE ACT! God gives us 'rest' on earth through faith, our faithful obedience to Him. We do receive the Holy Spirit as a gift but getting to His rest requires us to WORK by believing in Him and His giving, we WILL RECEIVE, that is a given. Read 1 Cor. 12) :)
All of those verses, of course, are excellent, since all good for correction, reproof, understanding, teaching, showing, etc., but, yes, crossfyre, His 'rest' is a state of being on earth,came, read my earlier posts, as--the Lord leads--I started to say we were able with the 'mind of Christ' to have true Heaven on earth, but, no, Heaven is beyond beautiful explanation. But, with the words posted of Collodsians, of Phillipians, of Hebrews, YES, WE CAN have a state of restful being, or, 'rest' IF we abide in Him, walk with Him, understand our life is from Him and He will never leave us nor forsake us, and, He is faithful no matter what we do, God will be true to Himself, and, as long as we CHOOSE Him--it is our right to abide in Him, or not--we can NOT be plucked !!!! The Lords leads, we must worship Him in spirit and in Truth, forvwith Him in us we are 'one.' :)
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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Psalm 95:7–11 offers a serious warning about refusing to listen to God’s voice, becoming hardened in unbelief and missing out on the rest which he has promised his people under the new covenant (2 Corinthians 3:2-11). The author of Hebrews (A Jew writing to a primarily Jewish audience at the time they penned Hebrews) is quite passionate in their exposition of the psalm passage because he is clearly worried about certain tendencies in the group he is addressing (Hebrews 8:7-8).

So the danger of ‘drifting’ from Christ, back into the legalism of the Old Covenant, briefly mentioned in 2:1–4, is exposed more fully in Hebrews 4. (I made a few comments here on that in another post if you would like to read them: http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...ace-forgiveness-before-christ.html#post823166 ).

Nevertheless, despite the seriousness of the warning, the power of Scripture to challenge and change believers is emphasized! God sustains his people through the words that he has spoken to them and through the ministry of encouragement they can have to one another.

The rest that Christ secured for his people is interpreted in terms of Gensis 2:2. It is the Sabbath-rest into which God entered after finishing the creation of the world. The land of Canaan, where Joshua established the Israelites in his time, was an anticipation of this ultimate rest for the people of God. With a further warning not to miss out on that rest, the author of Hebrews makes a concluding statement about the power of the word of God to expose and judge the human heart.
 
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RichardofTruth

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There is a mistranslation by translatore theris

rest is

2664. katapauo, kat-ap-ow'-o; from G2596 and G3973; to settle down, i.e. (lit.) to colonize, or (fig.) to (cause to) desist:--cease, (give) rest (-rain).

but everytime the 1500 A.D. translators ran into the SABBATH, they mistranslated it REST because they were keeping sunday, and they didn't understand how that fit.

(Sunday was invented by the man of sin in 321 AD and they took the pagan Baal sun worship day sunday and half the world was pagan Rome and worshipped on this day.

The other part was christian disciples who always kept the Sabbath.

and there was fighting and division.

so constantine in 321 from ROME marched his army through a river, declared them baptised into the church and united the religions into one pagan sunday and passed a laaw no more sabbath keeping everyone must keep sunday.

so most people kept sunday by constantines declaration for 100 years, even though it is not in the Bible at all and it really does matter

so when the translators (sunday keepers in England) ran into the correct term
SABBATISMO
4520. sabbatismos, sab-bat-is-mos'; from a der. of G4521; a "sabbatism", i.e. (fig.) the repose of Christianity (as a type of heaven):--rest.

they said what does it mean?

so they didnt tell the king he was keeping the wrog day cause they would loose their head so they just changed the translation to REST

true story

and all your pastors here will do the same thing, they dont want to loose their head so they will make up an excuse also... (nonbiblical)

but the truth is, it means
there reamains a SEVENTH DAY SABBATH KEEPING to the people of God until Jesus comes back

woa.
now you gonna get angry responses, richard.

well, its the truth

check it out yourself

DAniel predicted the MAN OF SIN (commandment breaking ) would come and change the sabbath to a false day.

Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times (sabbath to sunday) and laws (idols are ok in church): and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. (1260 years.

who is the man of sin?
what does the Bible say

2 Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2 Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.


so who is man of sin?

Anyone who sits in a temple
and says he is God
and tells people to worship a man

no, it isnt me :)
but it is some man on this planet.

any man who calls himself God.

I met several people on bullitin boards who call themselves God - so they are men of sin dont listen to them

anyway, the REST is the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH

you wil not find that in yor Bible since that was all removed, you have to get an old Bible KJV and an on concordance, no one can discover this with modern bibles

I remember it cause I am old....
:)
 
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GreenNnice

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Psalm 95:7–11 offers a serious warning about refusing to listen to God’s voice, becoming hardened in unbelief and missing out on the rest which he has promised his people under the new covenant (2 Corinthians 3:2-11). The author of Hebrews (A Jew writing to a primarily Jewish audience at the time they penned Hebrews) is quite passionate in their exposition of the psalm passage because he is clearly worried about certain tendencies in the group he is addressing (Hebrews 8:7-8).

So the danger of ‘drifting’ from Christ, back into the legalism of the Old Covenant, briefly mentioned in 2:1–4, is exposed more fully in Hebrews 4. (I made a few comments here on that in another post if you would like to read them: http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...ace-forgiveness-before-christ.html#post823166 ).

Nevertheless, despite the seriousness of the warning, the power of Scripture to challenge and change believers is emphasized! God sustains his people through the words that he has spoken to them and through the ministry of encouragement they can have to one another.

The rest that Christ secured for his people is interpreted in terms of Gensis 2:2. It is the Sabbath-rest into which God entered after finishing the creation of the world. The land of Canaan, where Joshua established the Israelites in his time, was an anticipation of this ultimate rest for the people of God. With a further warning not to miss out on that rest, the author of Hebrews makes a concluding statement about the power of the word of God to expose and judge the human heart.
Yes, and, THROUGH FAITH in He who leads us we can choose to never or 'ever' enter His rest.
There is a specific point that God spoke of for Israelites to enter 'My rest.' Disobedience kept them from ever entering His 'rest.'

On the 7th day, God rested. DID God need to rest? Of course not. The word 'rest' here in Genesis is the Divine's all-knowing, showing us in the beginning that we are to work hard for a time, and, then, take some time off to worship Him, and, yes, the Sabbath is holy , God sanctified it . Remember, the sabbath, and, keep it holy. This means to do something different from what you were doing, and, God says it is a 'blessed,' and, a 'holy' day.

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Really, Richardintruth, you writing your own Truth now, what the bible says is really unknown, there is conspiracy? Who shot Kennedy, anyway ;)
You and eg should go rewrite the bible together, translate, punctuated it just how you like.

Me, personally, I believe God gave the writers not JUST holy, inspired words breathed into their minds but also He breathed punctuation into those same apostles' writings too, ALL of them.

All words, all meaning, do NOT take away or add what has been written, it is 'good.' :)
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Yes, and, THROUGH FAITH in He who leads us we can choose to never or 'ever' enter His rest.
There is a specific point that God spoke of for Israelites to enter 'My rest.' Disobedience kept them from ever entering His 'rest.'

this is wrong.


heb 3: 19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

They did not enter rest, because they did not trust God. it is because they did not trust God. that they lived in sin and rebellion. But it was not the sin which caused them not to enter rest, it was their lack of faith.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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Virtually all the images in Hebrews are associated with its extensive comparison and contrast of the Old Testament with the redemptive work of Christ, which supersedes it. The overall argument of Hebrews is developed with a series of pictures drawn from the world of OT worship and the portrayal of their superior NT counterparts. Both simple and elaborate metaphors are used throughout Hebrews to clarify the argumentation and to illustrate the points made.

The author of Hebrews portrays backsliding or apostasy in the Christian faith with a variety of images. The image of the wilderness generation and its hardness of heart in rebellion against God and its ultimate failure to enter God’s rest in Canaan portrays a Christian whose heart is evil and unbelieving and who turns away from God in disobedience and never enters God’s rest in heaven (Heb 3:7–4:13).

The ultimate rest for Christians is after physical death. The writer of Hebrews rings the changes on this theme, claiming that “we who have believed enter that rest” (Heb 4:3 RSV) and assuring believers that “there remains a sabbath rest for the people of God; for whoever enters God’s rest also ceases from his labors as God did from his. Let us therefore strive to enter that rest” (Heb 4:9–11). And in Revelation we hear the voice from heaven saying, “Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord henceforth … that they may rest from their labors” (Rev 14:13 RSV).
 
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GreenNnice

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this is wrong.


heb 3: 19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

They did not enter rest, because they did not trust God. it is because they did not trust God. that they lived in sin and rebellion. But it was not the sin which caused them not to enter rest, it was their lack of faith.
Disobedience=unbelief in God, no faith believing in His way to rest, the Israelites were told their rest was in Canaan, but did NOT get there, because of unbelief, which IS disobedience :(
This Canaan was a literal resting place , 'a land of milk and honey,' symbolic of our being able to 'rest' in Him by the New testament revealed. Our eternal rest is with Him, after earth, but that is not rest, that is play :)
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Disobedience=unbelief in God, no faith believing in His way to rest, the Israelites were told their rest was in Canaan, but did NOT get there, because of unbelief, which IS disobedience :(

No unbelief leads to disobedience. that is why adam sinned, because he did not trust god. and why they sinned, because they did not trust god.
You have it backwards. Your not going to obey someone you do not believe in.