Equality.

[Ramon]

2Co 8:7 Therefore, as ye abound in every thing, in faith, and utterance, and knowledge, and in all diligence, and in your love to us, see that ye abound in this grace also.

2Co 8:8 I speak not by commandment, but by occasion of the forwardness of others, and to prove the sincerity of your love.
2Co 8:9 For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.
2Co 8:10 And herein I give my advice: for this is expedient for you, who have begun before, not only to do, but also to be forward a year ago.

2Co 8:11 Now therefore perform the doing of it; that as there was a readiness to will, so there may be a performance also out of that which ye have.
2Co 8:12 For if there be first a willing mind, it is accepted according to that a man hath, and not according to that he hath not.

2Co 8:13 For I mean not that other men be eased, and ye burdened:
2Co 8:14 But by an equality, that now at this time your abundance may be a supply for their want, that their abundance also may be a supply for your want: that there may be equality:
2Co 8:15 As it is written, He that had gathered much had nothing over; and he that had gathered little had no lack.

 

[WeStand]

Though this should probably be understood on a spiritual level, there is a physical truth to this as well, and this is what i'm focusing on when i state the following:

Moses prophysied that Israel would go forth and utterly corrupt themselves; and on a physical level, we were to be fair with each other, representing our Father's ways.

I would venture a guess, that this is one of the statutes of the law, that remains in effect, though terribly upheld.

When studying Dueteronomy, you will find out what The Father considers Fair, and this is what you will learn, and i'm not aware of anywhere in the Bible where He changed this paticular statute, including the cross.

Father stated, that if it is not your own labour, or your own money, involed in the trafficking of merchandise, then as a middleman (salesperson) you are entitled to a 10% profit margin, and nothing more.

Look at the profit margins that these people use today sure wouldn't want to be in their shoes, IF they have not repented.

Forever in Christ

 

[Ramon]

Though this should probably be understood on a spiritual level, there is a physical truth to this as well, and this is what i'm focusing on when i state the following:

Moses prophysied that Israel would go forth and utterly corrupt themselves; and on a physical level, we were to be fair with each other, representing our Father's ways.

I would venture a guess, that this is one of the statutes of the law, that remains in effect, though terribly upheld.

When studying Dueteronomy, you will find out what The Father considers Fair, and this is what you will learn, and i'm not aware of anywhere in the Bible where He changed this paticular statute, including the cross.

Father stated, that if it is not your own labour, or your own money, involed in the trafficking of merchandise, then as a middleman (salesperson) you are entitled to a 10% profit margin, and nothing more.

Look at the profit margins that these people use today sure wouldn't want to be in their shoes, IF they have not repented.

Forever in Christ

Please help me understand what you mean by a profit margin, and who gets the 10%? Also who is the middleman, and who is involved in trafficking of merchandise. I would really like to know. Thank you.

May Jesus bless you.

 

[WeStand]

Please help me understand what you mean by a profit margin, and who gets the 10%? Also who is the middleman, and who is involved in trafficking of merchandise. I would really like to know. Thank you.

May Jesus bless you.

Hi Ramon; Sorry that it didn't come through clear its kinda of a lame attempt of me abasing the rich.

But what i wrote is the truth, from what i understand.

So lets begin before the monetary times, when money was actually of intrinsical value, eg: goods, gold, food etc... If it took you 5 hours to make a flower vase, and somebody else had mugs or cups that took 1 hour each to make.

Gods fair, anything less than 5 cups or mugs for 1 flower vase, is stealing, plain and simple, as the only true value of anything is the time and cost spent producing it.

Of course this is assuming that the vase and cups are made of the same material, otherwise you would have to come up with a compreble soulition, thats fair, or equal.

As Gods children grow and multiply, there becomes more efficent ways to produce goods and food, through mass production for the masses of people. God provides.

What is required for a mass production of a paticular good, is First, investers, to take a monetary risk, of gold or silver into the structure required and to pay the labourers.

The people taking this risks, in old times, it generally depended on wether or not there was a good harvest, as to wether or not it was succesful or not; God can rain on your parade, if He so chooses

So; things should be done fairly; those who took the monetary risk; entitled to 40% of the overall profit; those who laboured to produce the goods, 50% and the man in the middle who stores the goods, who took neither the monetary risk, or put his blood, sweat or time into the production of the goods 10%.

Gods perfect Labour Union if you cannot operate within these parameters, likely not a good investment; unless you plan to disobey.

Hope thats a little clearer for you, and may God Bless you as well

Forever in Christ

 

[Ramon]

Hi Ramon; Sorry that it didn't come through clear its kinda of a lame attempt of me abasing the rich.

But what i wrote is the truth, from what i understand.

So lets begin before the monetary times, when money was actually of intrinsical value, eg: goods, gold, food etc... If it took you 5 hours to make a flower vase, and somebody else had mugs or cups that took 1 hour each to make.

Gods fair, anything less than 5 cups or mugs for 1 flower vase, is stealing, plain and simple, as the only true value of anything is the time and cost spent producing it.

Of course this is assuming that the vase and cups are made of the same material, otherwise you would have to come up with a compreble soulition, thats fair, or equal.

As Gods children grow and multiply, there becomes more efficent ways to produce goods and food, through mass production for the masses of people. God provides.

What is required for a mass production of a paticular good, is First, investers, to take a monetary risk, of gold or silver into the structure required and to pay the labourers.

The people taking this risks, in old times, it generally depended on wether or not there was a good harvest, as to wether or not it was succesful or not; God can rain on your parade, if He so chooses

So; things should be done fairly; those who took the monetary risk; entitled to 40% of the overall profit; those who laboured to produce the goods, 50% and the man in the middle who stores the goods, who took neither the monetary risk, or put his blood, sweat or time into the production of the goods 10%.

Gods perfect Labour Union if you cannot operate within these parameters, likely not a good investment; unless you plan to disobey.

Hope thats a little clearer for you, and may God Bless you as well

Forever in Christ

I am very thankful that you commented on this thread. It has been a while since I have had an opportunity to fellowship in this way, and between you and another of my friends, it has truly been awesome!

May we continue this conversation?:

I sort of understand this, but I cannot say I completely understand it. But my brother and I got into a conversation. He said to me that wood is more valuable than gold. (The conversation started on a more silly premises.

So, he went into this whole thing about trade and such, before we had money and buying and selling. But my case was very simple, yet it must have come off very silly.

I said to him, nothing has value, and he says, that it things only have the value people attribute to him (now this was in favor of my original case).

It is like goods today. Things are set at a high priceand over time they diminish in value, but if they diminish then what value did they ever have (were they ever worth the money?)

He asked, ''what purpose does gold serve?'' I had to think about that, and it really doesn't serve any purpose that I know of (it may, but I may not just know it).

I said to him that everything ought to be free, and he laughed at it, as most people would. ''Sure, they say, that will never happen.''

Some people wonder how that could work, many say it could never work. But one main thing keeps this idea from working, though it could work very well. One person gets greedy, and the whole thing falls through.

This was an issue in Judas. He could not understand this business Jesus was in. But I understand very clearly this business Jesus is in, and this business is foolishness to the world.

I have a question though. The 50% is split between the workers, so each individual gets less, right? And those who get the 10% are like markets right? And the 40% are those big guys behind the scene making all the money right? If that is the case, it makes me understand something more, but I really don't like the setup, even though is seems fair.

May Jesus bless you.

 

[WeStand]

Actually, done in this manner everyone's a winner, its called profit sharing and the so-called big guys don't get the lions share of the profit, the workers do.

The big guys have all the exspences; structure costs and maintenece, labour costs, office staff as well as a basic wage for the workers. Its at the end of the year that they divy up the profits, 50/40/10.

I worked for a while at a place that operated very simlar to this set-up, and it was just a massive warehouse, people were retiring after just 20-25 years of service, as millionares

So though it can be done, it just isn't going to happen anymore, as when i was there, they had already stopped people from jumping onboard this system.

Most of the unfairness and problems in the world could be solved by kindergarten children, because they still have a pure mind at that time.

I would have to agree with your freind that wood is worth more than gold, as anything with life in it, is precious.

Gold does have its place; though its like you say, kinda useless in this current world, other than its pretty and used in some equipment.

On the other hand, in the world that was and in the world to come, gold has many applications i'm sure, as it is mentioned in the Bible that the streets are literally paved in gold.

If you think about it, knowing that were in a salvage operation, I beleive that its not just minds that are being saved, but anything that has the capacity to last forever, Precious gems & metals seem to fall into this catergory as well, and in the Bible it also says that there are cities (plural) built out of these materials.

Wherever the Father is; his Alter is also made of these materials; near as i can figure, i beleive that Father told Bonehead satan, that not only are you sentenced to death, But before i executed you, your gonna clean up this mess you caused me to make.

I got this idea while studying the part in Genisis where Father says to satan, and all the days of your life, ye shall crawl on your belly, and eat the dust of the earth.

Another interesting thing is the qualities that gold has, as in the more fire you put to it, the purer it becomes, and then think about how God uses gold and silver to describe our works, with the gold works being; turning frowns upside down.

Hope this helps some.

Forever in Christ

 

[Cobus]

Westand I am attempting to get two Biblestudy groups to do a Biblestudy on the same Scripture... The one Group is stinking rich and have millions in the bank, the other is a really poor group, all claim to be Christians, and this is the text they have to put an essay together on their findings... They can chose any one of these three verses...
Mat_19:24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
Mar_10:25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
Luk_18:25 For it is easier for a camel to go through a needle's eye, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

I will post the results, God willing...Amen!

 

[Ramon]

Actually, done in this manner everyone's a winner, its called profit sharing and the so-called big guys don't get the lions share of the profit, the workers do.

The big guys have all the exspences; structure costs and maintenece, labour costs, office staff as well as a basic wage for the workers. Its at the end of the year that they divy up the profits, 50/40/10.

I worked for a while at a place that operated very simlar to this set-up, and it was just a massive warehouse, people were retiring after just 20-25 years of service, as millionares

So though it can be done, it just isn't going to happen anymore, as when i was there, they had already stopped people from jumping onboard this system.

Most of the unfairness and problems in the world could be solved by kindergarten children, because they still have a pure mind at that time.

I would have to agree with your freind that wood is worth more than gold, as anything with life in it, is precious.

Gold does have its place; though its like you say, kinda useless in this current world, other than its pretty and used in some equipment.

On the other hand, in the world that was and in the world to come, gold has many applications i'm sure, as it is mentioned in the Bible that the streets are literally paved in gold.

If you think about it, knowing that were in a salvage operation, I beleive that its not just minds that are being saved, but anything that has the capacity to last forever, Precious gems & metals seem to fall into this catergory as well, and in the Bible it also says that there are cities (plural) built out of these materials.

Wherever the Father is; his Alter is also made of these materials; near as i can figure, i beleive that Father told Bonehead satan, that not only are you sentenced to death, But before i executed you, your gonna clean up this mess you caused me to make.

I got this idea while studying the part in Genisis where Father says to satan, and all the days of your life, ye shall crawl on your belly, and eat the dust of the earth.

Another interesting thing is the qualities that gold has, as in the more fire you put to it, the purer it becomes, and then think about how God uses gold and silver to describe our works, with the gold works being; turning frowns upside down.

Hope this helps some.

Forever in Christ

I will be reading over this thread, but I am glad you let me know it is possible. I would like to discuss with you an idea I had also. I made a post about it a long time ago, and I cannot find it now, but I am glad you worked where it was possible. I know it is, but I know certain people have cut out a scheme to steal from people. And I have seen it.

God is truly fair. His laws are even fair, and good and just. I don't know who can say they aren't, and not be ignoring them. That is the first thing I noticed about him, that he is fair, and full of justice, YET MERCIFUL!! So many things.

May Jesus bless you. I will continue with more of this later.

 

[Cobus]

Westand God says FAIR profit, sometimes a fair profit is 1% and sometimes it is 90%. The Fair is a place of peace! If you feel not right about the markup on a product, LISTEN TO THE HOLY SPIRIT and change it! If you are at peace AFTER you added your profit, God is pleased! Stay Tuned to RADIO HOLY SPIRIT! And you will never even ask 1c too much or too little!

Know the Lord in ALL your ways and He will ADVIZE as HE wants!

Some times even losing the whole INPUT value is HIS WILL... Like if God says to you... "Cobus, this person should not pay today!" Then you do not let the person pay a single cent! And that happens believe me!

May the Lord bless you all, Ramon, The Lord says... If I make you free you are free indeed.... To say He made me free and I still sin, is to say...Sorry Lord you failed!.... Stay strong brother, stand firm we will be set free!!! Amen!