Esau Killed Nimrod?

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Hizikyah

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[h=1]Did Esau really did kill Nimrod?

Book of Jasher, Chapter 27[/h] "1 And Esau at that time, after the death of Abraham, frequently went in the field to hunt.


2 And Nimrod king of Babel, the same was Amraphel, also frequently went with his mighty men to hunt in the field, and to walk about with his men in the cool of the day.

3 And Nimrod was observing Esau all the days, for a jealousy was formed in the heart of Nimrod against Esau all the days.

4 And on a certain day Esau went in the field to hunt, and he found Nimrod walking in the wilderness with his two men.

5 And all his mighty men and his people were with him in the wilderness, but they removed at a distance from him, and they went from him in different directions to hunt, and Esau concealed himself for Nimrod, and he lurked for him in the wilderness.

6 And Nimrod and his men that were with him did not know him, and Nimrod and his men frequently walked about in the field at the cool of the day, and to know where his men were hunting in the field.

7 And Nimrod and two of his men that were with him came to the place where they were, when Esau started suddenly from his lurking place, and drew his sword, and hastened and ran to Nimrod and cut off his head.

8 And Esau fought a desperate fight with the two men that were with Nimrod, and when they called out to him, Esau turned to them and smote them to death with his sword.

9 And all the mighty men of Nimrod, who had left him to go to the wilderness, heard the cry at a distance, and they knew the voices of those two men, and they ran to know the cause of it, when they found their king and the two men that were with him lying dead in the wilderness.

10 And when Esau saw the mighty men of Nimrod coming at a distance, he fled, and thereby escaped; and Esau took the valuable garments of Nimrod, which Nimrod's father had bequeathed to Nimrod, and with which Nimrod prevailed over the whole land, and he ran and concealed them in his house.

11 And Esau took those garments and ran into the city on account of Nimrod's men, and he came unto his father's house wearied and exhausted from fight, and he was ready to die through grief when he approached his brother Jacob and sat before him.

12 And he said unto his brother Jacob, Behold I shall die this day, and wherefore then do I want the birthright? And Jacob acted wisely with Esau in this matter, and Esau sold his birthright to Jacob, for it was so brought about by the Lord.

13 And Esau's portion in the cave of the field of Machpelah, which Abraham had bought from the children of Heth for the possession of a burial ground, Esau also sold to Jacob, and Jacob bought all this from his brother Esau for value given.

14 And Jacob wrote the whole of this in a book, and he testified the same with witnesses, and he sealed it, and the book remained in the hands of Jacob.

15 And when Nimrod the son of Cush died, his men lifted him up and brought him in consternation, and buried him in his city, and all the days that Nimrod lived were two hundred and fifteen years and he died.

16 And the days that Nimrod reigned upon the people of the land were one hundred and eighty-five years; and Nimrod died by the sword of Esau in shame and contempt, and the seed of Abraham caused his death as he had seen in his dream.

17 And at the death of Nimrod his kingdom became divided into many divisions, and all those parts that Nimrod reigned over were restored to the respective kings of the land, who recovered them after the death of Nimrod, and all the people of the house of Nimrod were for a long time enslaved to all the other kings of the land."
 
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I think your dates are flawed .... or something

Nimrod was on the earth long before Esau .... much longer than and acquaintance could be possible
 

Hizikyah

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I think your dates are flawed .... or something

Nimrod was on the earth long before Esau .... much longer than and acquaintance could be possible
Estimated timeframe Bible Timeline

Before 2100 BC - The Tower of Babel

2006 BC - Birth of Jacob and Esau

It is possible
 
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"Before 2100 BC - The Tower of Babel"


Way before

No possibility

What is it that you are casing?
 

Hizikyah

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"Before 2100 BC - The Tower of Babel"


Way before

No possibility

What is it that you are casing?
Bible Timeline © 2010 by Rich Valkanet, Discovery Bible and Biblos.com.

All Dates are Approximate. Timeline based on traditionally accepted timeframes and general consensus of a variety of sources, including Wilmington's Guide to the Bible, A Survey of Israel's History (Wood), The Mysterious Numbers of the Hebrew Kings (Thiele), ESV Study Bible, The Treasury of Scripture Knowledge, International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, and Easton's Bible Dictionary.
 

Nautilus

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my bible does not have a book of jasher, i think youre lying.
 
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my bible does not have a book of jasher, i think youre lying.
The bible does reference the book of Jasher......Joshua 10:13 and 2nd Samuel 1:18...how many witnesses does the bible require for something to be correct?

Not necessarily saying I agree...just pointing out the references to Jasher.
 
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Abraham lived 1000 years after the flood

Nimrod built "babel" before 500 years earlier

No chance for a Nimrod Esau encounter
 
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my bible does not have a book of jasher, i think youre lying.
"This is one of the apochrypal Books of Jasher. There are several (as many as five) separate works by this title, all composed much later than Biblical times. This particular one is a translation of a Hebrew book printed in 1613. Sepir Ha Yasher, the Hebrew title of this book, means the 'Book of the Upright', or 'the Upright or Correct Record'. This title was misread as 'Jasher', and at some point Jasher was treated as a proper name; however the pronoun 'the' (hebrew 'ha') never preceeds proper names."

The Book of Jasher

This book of Jasher was written after biblical times according to the source, but it's interesting that it is mentioned in the bible. Makes me wonder if it had been around even though the source says it was written after biblical times.......
 
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Hizikyah

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Abraham lived 1000 years after the flood

Nimrod built "babel" before 500 years earlier

No chance for a Nimrod Esau encounter
Before 2500 BC The Great Flood Genesis 7

Before 2100 BC The Tower of Babel Genesis 11

2091 BC God Sends Abram to Egypt Genesis 12

Bible Timeline © 2010 by Rich Valkanet, Discovery Bible and Biblos.com.

All Dates are Approximate. Timeline based on traditionally accepted timeframes and general consensus of a variety of sources, including Wilmington's Guide to the Bible, A Survey of Israel's History (Wood), The Mysterious Numbers of the Hebrew Kings (Thiele), ESV Study Bible, The Treasury of Scripture Knowledge, International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, and Easton's Bible Dictionary.
We are grateful to Rich Valkanet and Discovery Bible for their major contributions to this project.
 

Hizikyah

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"This is one of the apochrypal Books of Jasher. There are several (as many as five) separate works by this title, all composed much later than Biblical times. This particular one is a translation of a Hebrew book printed in 1613. Sepir Ha Yasher, the Hebrew title of this book, means the 'Book of the Upright', or 'the Upright or Correct Record'. This title was misread as 'Jasher', and at some point Jasher was treated as a proper name; however the pronoun 'the' (hebrew 'ha') never preceeds proper names."

The Book of Jasher

This book of Jasher was written after biblical times according to the source, but it's interesting that it is mentioned in the bible. Makes me wonder if it had been around even though the source says it was written after biblical times.......
That is what got me interested, so I thought I would bring it up here to see different views.
 

Hizikyah

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The Book of Jashar is also mentioned in the Biblical Book of Joshua amid the descriptions of Joshua's military exploits in the land of Canaan, specifically after Adoni-zedek, king of Jerusalem, and his allies attacked Gibeon for allying themselves with Israel and Joshua and the Israelites came to Gibeon's aid (Joshua 9-10). When "YHWH gave the Amorites over to the sons of Israel," Joshua told the sun to stand still over Gibeon and the moon to stand still over Valley of Aijalon (Josh. 9:12). Then the Book of Joshua 10:13 states:

And the Sun stood still, and the Moon stayed,
until the people had avenged themselves on their enemies.Is this not written in the Book of the Upright (per haYYāšār)?[SUP][3][/SUP]
 
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That is what got me interested, so I thought I would bring it up here to see different views.
You know, while we are there I will also add that there are numerous references to Jasher and Enoch as books in the bible and a direct quote in the book of Jude.....
 
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From my understanding there are many books of Jasher in history. One could be called the Lost Book of Jasher, for to all knowledge it once existed in the ancient ages, but nowadays is completely gone except for brief mentions in other books. There are numerous Pseudo-Jashers, which were made well into the AD.

Nevertheless, let's examine this theory. It says "all the days of Nimrod were 215 years and he died."
Now consider Genesis 11 and the Semitic Patriarch List. From the Flood to birth of Abraham, Nahor, and Haran there are 292 years.

Now if we assume Tower of Babel Event occured sometime around Peleg's birth by reason of the contextual clue that in that day the earth was divided, that is 101 years from the Flood. If we assume Nimrod was a young man around that time this leaves 191 years from Peleg's birth/possible Tower of Babel time to Abraham.

Then we know Abraham had Isaac when he was 100 years old (Genesis 21:5). Isaac was 60 years old when he had Esau and Jacob (Genesis 25:26). This would bring us to a total of 452 years from the Flood to the birth of Jacob and Esau, and 351 years from Peleg's birth (theoretical Tower of Babel time) to birth of Jacob and Esau. So we can see here the age given for Nimrod in Pseudo-Jasher makes it impossible for him to have been alive when Esau was a young man.
 

SolidGround

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Where did you get this copy of Jasher from?
I have read excepts from one of them for a class. It did not seem very convincingly authentic.

Here's the opnion of the scholars at gotquestions.org (very mainline theology website)

There is a book called “The Book of Jasher” today, although it is not the same book as mentioned in the Old Testament. It is an eighteenth-century forgery that alleges to be a translation of the “lost” Book of Jasher by Alcuin, an eighth-century English scholar. There is also a more recent book titled “The Book of Jashar” by science fiction and fantasy writer Benjamin Rosenbaum. This book is a complete work of fiction.

Another book by this same name, called by many “Pseudo-Jasher,” while written in Hebrew, is also not the “Book of Jasher” mentioned in Scripture. It is a book of Jewish legends from the creation to the conquest of Canaan under Joshua, but scholars hold that it did not exist before A.D. 1625. In addition, there are several other theological works by Jewish rabbis and scholars called “Sefer ha Yashar,” but none of these claim to be the original Book of Jasher.


Read more:What is the Book of Jasher and should it be in the Bible?
 
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If the book of Jasher was so important don'y you think that The Holy Spirit would have included it in the bible?
 

Hizikyah

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Where did you get this copy of Jasher from?
I have read excepts from one of them for a class. It did not seem very convincingly authentic.

Here's the opnion of the scholars at gotquestions.org (very mainline theology website)

There is a book called “The Book of Jasher” today, although it is not the same book as mentioned in the Old Testament. It is an eighteenth-century forgery that alleges to be a translation of the “lost” Book of Jasher by Alcuin, an eighth-century English scholar. There is also a more recent book titled “The Book of Jashar” by science fiction and fantasy writer Benjamin Rosenbaum. This book is a complete work of fiction.

Another book by this same name, called by many “Pseudo-Jasher,” while written in Hebrew, is also not the “Book of Jasher” mentioned in Scripture. It is a book of Jewish legends from the creation to the conquest of Canaan under Joshua, but scholars hold that it did not exist before A.D. 1625. In addition, there are several other theological works by Jewish rabbis and scholars called “Sefer ha Yashar,” but none of these claim to be the original Book of Jasher.


Read more:What is the Book of Jasher and should it be in the Bible?
Thank you for the reply.

Copied that randomly off the net, just for the purpose of asking.

I just heard of "Book of Jasher" when I made this thread, while I have spent years studying Scripture, I honestly know next to nothing about this book.

again ty for the link and your views.
 
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I'm familiar with the book you're referring to. It's far from proven this is an authentic historical document, and even if it is, there's no way to know if it's accurate over if it was the book of the upright referenced in scripture.

Is it possible Nimrod was killed by Esau? Sure, it's possible. According to biblical timelines, Shem, the son of Noah was still alive when Isaac was born. He lived an incredible 500 years after the flood. And Eber, Shem's great grandson lived over 460 years and lived many years beyond Shem. He actually outlived Abraham and was alive with Jacob and Esau were born.

Now Nimrod was the son of Cush in the line of Ham, and we're not told when he was born. But it's by no means impossible he lived a long life and was alive in Esau's day. But that said, there's no way to know if this is true.
 

Hizikyah

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There is a book called “The Book of Jasher” today, although it is not the same book as mentioned in the Old Testament.
Is it possible Nimrod was killed by Esau? Sure, it's possible.
Thank you both.

Question for all:

So is there any evidence of where this story/account originated.

and is there any reason to believe that the basis is true, but the text was re-written because the original was lost?
 
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Thank you both.

Question for all:

So is there any evidence of where this story/account originated.

and is there any reason to believe that the basis is true, but the text was re-written because the original was lost?
Well I can say for sure, it is not an inspired account, as it gets the birth of Abraham wrong. I remember researching this, and coming across that one problem. While it compliments the Genesis account in many ways, it does contradict Genesis at some points and so I can completely rule it out being in any way equal to scripture.

So the real question for me is, does it have any historical value, like for instance Josephus' works (Antiquities of the Jews) which also corroborate and complement much of what Genesis records? I'm not certain at this point. Author Ken Johnson has written some books on this subject you may want to check out. One is "ancient post-flood history". In it he also covers pre-flood history, and he believe Jasher has some historical value. But he also is very clear that the document we have today is by no means inspired.

I think it would do you well to research this more. I would just warn about going off the deep end like some others I know, and lifting this document up as scripture. Many christians have done this, and they've completely lost their minds and all discernment. I think there's a balance. Scripture is scripture, and all other historical documents must be read with a discerning mind.