eternal life

[sydude]

I want to first say that I believe that Jesus is the son of God and died on the cross for us and that he rose defeating death and sin and i have repented and accepted him into my life as lord and savior. The reason im posting this is because im scared that things i have done might take me out of the book of life or send me to hell and i really dont want to go there. The reason im scared is beacuse im afraid of the verses, mathew 12 31-32, and revalations 22 18-19 and im afraid i might have committed them because i wrote a play about a few stories in the bible for a bunch of kids to watch and i was lazy and went through it fast and im scared i might have changed the meaning not trying to and in my head i keep thinking bad things about the Holy Spirit without meaning to and i would never mean it but i just think it constantly and its hard and i plrayed for God to help me have i commited those sins?

 

[Slepsog4]

Didn't you already start a thread on this???

Consider Acts 8:18-24

 

[sydude]

yes but not many people seem to post in there and im really scared about this and need help

 

[wattie]

The assurance of salvation: this is basic christian doctrine by the way- something that the earliest christians believed

1John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may KNOW that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were SEALED with that Holy Spirit of promise,
Eph 1:14 Which is the EARNEST (promise) of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.


Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together WITH him, having FORGIVEN you all trespasses;
Col 2:14 BLOTTING OUT the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a show of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, HATH (or has) everlasting life, and SHALL NOT come into condemnation; but IS PASSED from death unto life.

John 4:14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into EVERLASTING LIFE.


John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not (will not) perish, but have everlasting life.

Rom 6:22 But now being MADE FREE from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may (will) have everlasting life: and I WILL raise him up at the last day.

John 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me HATH (has) everlasting life.

Rom 8:35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
Rom 8:36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
Rom 8:37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
Rom 8:38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
Rom 8:39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

John 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I WILL raise him up at the last day.

John 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall NEVER perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, by (grace ye are saved

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

So..

Syrude.. if you have accepted Christ.. He has forgiven you, and you have eternal life.. because He has sealed you with the Holy Spirit.. and promises you eternal life.

Also.. Matthew 12

Jesus is not talking to saved people when He tells them blasphemy won't be forgiven.. He talked to scribes and pharisees who were denying who He was and His salvation

This does not apply to saved people! If Jesus is talking to unsaved.. why apply it to saved?

Blasphemy.. is rejecting salvation from Jesus.. denying who He is.. at some stage.. a saved person accepts salvation and that Jesus is God!

As for Revelation 22 18-19

Put that in the context of all the other verses about having eternal life.. and also the context of the chapter surrounding it.. and then see what it really is saying.

Consider that the people 'outside the gates' of the heavenly Jerusalem city.. may still be in heaven.. but not have access to the holy city. Saved.. but did not seek after Jesus.. went their own way.

Consider that the heavenly Jerusalem is the local church of heaven.. and not all of heaven in itself.. given that it is possible to come in and out of the heavenly Jerusalem.

But most of all think about the verses that do talk about eternal life.. those are the primary verses.

 

[sydude]

The problem i see there is that many others say that your not for sure going to heaven if you are a Christian and have accepted him and believe and how do i know whats true and if your not how do i know i did not commit it because it says he will take your name out of the book of life and doesn't that mean eternal life? and others say that blasphemy is the actual meaning "Blasphemy" and or speaking against the Holy Spirit.

 

[MahogonySnail]

I want to first say that I believe that Jesus is the son of God and died on the cross for us and that he rose defeating death and sin and i have repented and accepted him into my life as lord and savior.

Then you're saved, period, and don't have to be afraid. You are forgiven.

Because you are so afraid of doing it proves you have not done it. People who blaspheme do it intentionally and these are always enemies of Christ. Sometimes temptation from satan will come to say bad things about God but this is not you that is the devil doing that. Tell the evil thoughts to be gone in Jesus's name.

 

[sydude]

I really hope i didn't i want to spend eternity in heaven with God worshiping him, i have OCD so i tend to freak out about this and i still have doubts

 

[starfield]

Blasphemy is insulting or having lack of reverence for God, the act of claiming the attributes of divinity, irreverence toward something considered sacred for instance the bible. It is a sin of the tongue and not action. The only unforgivable sin is the constant rejection of Christ's offer of salvation, which is His gift of eternal life. Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is CONTINOUSLY slandering God and rejecting salvation. I emphasized continuously because as long as a person remains in unbelief, he voluntarily excludes himself from forgiveness of sin. Now that is the unforgivable sin and if they continue in that manner eternal life with God is lost. But if this person realizes their fault and asks for forgiveness, God will forgive.

So if you think you have blasphemed, do not make it an unpardonable sin by continuing in the sin. Ask God for forgiveness then you will be destined for heaven.

As for Revelation 22:18-19 John was referring specifically to the book of Revelation, but it implies to all scriptures. We are also warned about adding and diminishing from the scripture in Deuteronomy 4:2 "Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish [ought] from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you." John and Moses are correct; we should not add or subtract from God's infallible word. But if you did it out of ignorance or wilfully and you ask for forgiveness, He will pardon. No sin is above forgiveness: "I, even I, am he who blots out your transgressions, for my own sake, and remembers your sins no more" (Isaiah 43:25).

I hope this helps.

 

[sydude]

i know all sin are forgivable but if he will forgive you why does it say he will take your name out of the book of life

 

[burch]

man look first off you have to be babtized to be save not just believe and repent its six steps

1. hear the gospel. Romans 10:14

2. believing. Hebrews 11:16

3. repent. Luke 13:1-5

4. confess. matthew 10:32-33

5. being baptized. Mark 16:16

6. being faithful until death. matthew 7:21



now you just cant believe to get to heaven theres more to it than that...

 

[wattie]

John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

John 4:14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.

Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a show of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

Joh 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.

I could go on ..

but ENOUGH SAID

salvation is not a a life long process... it is asking Christ into your life to forgive you of your sins and give you eternal life..

that is all.

Service to Jesus comes after this and is not contingent on salvation.. (not by works)



Some misquoted verses:

"Faith without works is dead"

This verse in James.. has surrounding context of acts of service to God.. not about receiving eternal life. Consider the examples given of Rahab and Abraham..

They were justified by works only in that God accepted their acts of faith to Him.

They were NOT justified by works in terms of eternal salvation. How do I know this? Because scripture compared with scripture:

Rom 4:2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.

The above Romans verse is related to salvation.. and not daily service. Their is no contradiction in scripture.

Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Again.. another verse that is about eternal salvation.. having no works element.. no justification by works.. only by Jesus.


So.... "Faith without works is dead"

becomes.. not taking opportunities to use your faith in helping others makes it dormant. Not lost.. not that you never had it.. just unused!


Another one- "He who endures to the end will be saved"

The surrounding context of this verse is also not about eternal salvation.. it is not mentioned in the surrounding verses.. what is mentioned is being rescued or delivered from trouble and tribulation..

In this case 'saved' refers not to eternal salvation but being rescued from trouble.


Also.. Hebrews 6

(Heb 6:4) For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

(Heb 6:5) And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

(Heb 6:6) If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,



notice--- this is someone who has 'tasted the heavenly gift- and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come'

So they are a saved person!

notice--- in the book of Hebrews.. the writer admonishes the readers that the sacrifice of bulls has nothing to do with salvation.. only symbolic of Jesus.

So.. if a saved person falls away.. they can't be renewed to repentance because they can't sacrifice a bull to make up for what they have done.. and they can't get salvation again.. cos Jesus has already paid for their sin.

So it is impossible for a saved one to lose their salvation because Jesus has done what He needs to.. can't put Him back on the cross.

 

[Derek]

yes but not many people seem to post in there and im really scared about this and need help

If you need help with this stuff, you need to have a sit down with your pastor at church. This site might offer some direction but the best thing you can do is have a face to face conversation with a pastor. Thats what they are there for, they love you, they care for you and want to help guide you in a spiritually sound walk with God.

......Get after it dude!

 

[doubleedge]

Become "Born Again" - John 3:1-10 - 1 Peter 1
John 3:4-6 explains how one is "Born Again"! There're over 200 scriptures that reference "Salvation" for "Born Again" believers! There is no way I can list them all, but I don't believe in "literal" coincidence! Luckily... I came across a site dealing with this very same fear not too long ago; http://www.biblebelievers.com/montgomery/montgomery002.html. All the passages U need to help U find peace with God are listed there. I didn't even need the info because my heart is at peace. However, The Lord spoke to my heart & I saved it to my favorites list... "possibly just for U my friend"! I was "Born Again" while in my early teens, & this is a faith that I already possess! I know in my heart that God wants for U to be at peace with him too. I do NOT advise U to read the "private interpretations" before reading the scriptures (listed at bottom)! God makes the final call... but its good to make amends, so SEARCH THE SCRIPTURES ALWAYS... & go with Yahshua (Jesus)!

 

[doubleedge]

P.S.
I may make mistakes (as we all do)... for we are but man; but I have had my head anointed with oil on severl occasions in my early teens. My "LOVE" for Jesus (for whose name I now know the original tongue), has lead me down a path of peace (with victory in conflict) & suffering (John 15:21) as all TRUE believers are destined to!

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

Become "Born Again" - John 3:1-10 - 1 Peter 1
John 3:4-6 explains how one is "Born Again"! There're over 200 scriptures that reference "Salvation" for "Born Again" believers! There is no way I can list them all, but I don't believe in "literal" coincidence! Luckily... I came across a site dealing with this very same fear not too long ago; http://www.biblebelievers.com/montgomery/montgomery002.html. All the passages U need to help U find peace with God are listed there. I didn't even need the info because my heart is at peace. However, The Lord spoke to my heart & I saved it to my favorites list... "possibly just for U my friend"! I was "Born Again" while in my early teens, & this is a faith that I already possess! I know in my heart that God wants for U to be at peace with him too. I do NOT advise U to read the "private interpretations" before reading the scriptures (listed at bottom)! God makes the final call... but its good to make amends, so SEARCH THE SCRIPTURES ALWAYS... & go with Yahshua (Jesus)!

"Born from above"

It's unfortunate, but many English translatiions, have been tampered with over the years, Satan has had all the time he needs to change words here and there, and the chapter with Nicodemus and Jesus has unfortunately been mutilated. If you study the original Kione Greek you can find that it says "Born from above" not 'born again', Anybody claiming "born again" status has simply been decieved and will have to come to terms with the magnitude of Satan's deception, which is vast and complex, but ahhhhh God willing perhaps there is still time left, it will not be easy though.

 

[doubleedge]

Are U a catholic by any chance Cup-of-Ruin? - If GREEK words are the foundation upon which U have built Ur understanding... U have a rude awakening coming!

 

[MahogonySnail]

Cup ,

Firstly I fail to see the distinction in practice or belief between the use of the terms "born again" and "born from above". What does it matter. They both mean the same thing - the spiritual reality of an inward transformation by the Holy Spirit that takes place within a person's soul/spirit.

Secondly, I fail to see how your interpretation of strictly "born from above" and not "born again", can be correct, given that Nicodemus interpreted Jesus's words as "born again", which led to his question regarding being born out of the womb twice.

 

[doubleedge]

The Word of God (which is MY foundation), is even sharper than my name!!! What "under" God's Heaven is a "Cup-of-Ruin" anyway???

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

anothen

Are U a catholic by any chance Cup-of-Ruin? - If GREEK words are the foundation upon which U have built Ur understanding... U have a rude awakening coming!

'doubleedge'

I'm just informing you to what the Bible says and what Jesus said, He said, and this is in the original Koine Greek that John wrote in under the guidence of the Holy Spirit, he wrote "Born from above"!!!
Not born 'again'. that has been changed, it's a deliberate mistranslation, the Bible never does not say 'born again' it says 'ye must be born from above'....It's quite simple, if people want to continue on in this tradition of men who have corrupted the Bible under the deception of Satan then they can go right ahead, they can jump up and down all they like, but the Gospel of John was written in Greek.

Nicodemus did not understand what Jesus meant, he thought Jesus meant born a second time 'born again' and the word anothen is ambiguous, but John the author uses anothen John 9:11 ("Thou couldest have no power against me unless it was from above [anothen. GR.]" Same word John uses but the KJV has given an incorrect translation, why? Because it's harmful that's why, I mean we go through in we read these mistranslation, believing it's the truth then we find out it's a lie, and we feel cheated, the natural reaction is to bame God, and that's what Satan want's you to do, but repentece, repentence is a change of mind, if you want to grow as a Christian you will need to get well aquainted with repentence, there is this constant change off mind, letting go of all the past lies as God leads you into His truth, and I tell you we are under a mountain of lies, I think the position that were in now, is dire, it's really bad, the deception is so vast, so well established that overcoming it is something that I can barely begin to comprehend, I have been fighting lie upon lie for so long, and every time I must repent and change, repent and change, I come to grips with one deception and it takes me days, weeks and I am so tired and then very next thing i'm faced with another deception, and i'm looking at my life, and it's one big deception - and then it's God and the word - I am the way, the truth, and the light...check that line and you will find it's accurate, Satan does not change everything, he only changes a little, select words here and there, subtle, crafty.

 

[MahogonySnail]

I fail to see how the words being born again instead of born from above, is anything to be concerned about.
The fact that a person must be born again, is implicit in the statement to be 'born from above' anyway. So he may as well have said "born again". Jesus clarifies what he means in the next verses anyway. So it is probably nothing to be worried about, and is not an incorrect translation.