Eternal Security and free choice for the Christian?

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How do eternal security and free will relate together for the Christian

  • I believe in 5-point Calvinism: man does not have free choice (at least in relation to salvation)

    Votes: 1 16.7%

  • I believe that the Christian no longer has free choice in the area of salvation

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • I believe that when a person becomes a Christian his free choice (will) unites with God's will, thus

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • I believe that a Christian has free choice, but because of understanding God's love and goodness, th

    Votes: 3 50.0%

  • Other: Please explian what happens to the free will when a person is born again

    Votes: 1 16.7%

  • I don't believe in eternal security: a Christian has free will and is able (could) to reject Christ

    Votes: 1 16.7%
  • Total voters
    6
  • Poll closed .
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eternally-gratefull

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PeterJens said:
I am sorry EG. I am lost on your belief I am lying about you. You claim I am a legalist because I believe you can walk in righteousness and purity. You then say I am lying to say you do not believe you can walk in righteousness and purity.
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See you can't even get this right.

I believe your a legalist, because you preach salvation is based on works we do. Not soely on the cross.. Not because you believe you can walk in righteousness and purity (which unless your sinless. You can't even do this. but that's another story)

This is a confusing position to take. I am either right and you agree with me, or I am wrong and you do not agree.
I cannot be called a liar for saying you do not believe this.

You claim eternal security, that even if you fall away you are saved. Now I hold if you fall away from faith, you no longer believe in Jesus and therefore have given up your salvation. Again I am not lying, I am defining what you have stated.
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I can't fall away, That would make me stronger than God.. as for the rest of the sentence, I have never said it, nor would I even think it, It does not even closely resemble what I believe.



So from my position you just want to smear me, but all I would point out, it is meaningless. You do not change the argument or make anything clearer but just fling an accusation. You are caught in this hamster wheel.
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No, I do not want to smear you. I want you to listen and stop bearing false witness against others. then consider what they say..

That's all.

I just want to praise the Lord for His love for me and those who believe in Him.
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I want to praise God for those who have faith in him. Belief is not enough.. Many believe but have never been saved.

I want people to be given the right to be called Gods children, not because they obey commands, But because they believe in his name.

and because they believe, and are given that right to be called Gods children. They learn to obey, and willingly and happily do it. not to earn something, But out of gratitude for Gods love
 
Budman

Budman

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#182
Mar 9, 2014
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The truth is we believe the same things but interpret things slightly differently.
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No we don't.

There is nothing "slight" about it.

We believe we are saved by grace - God's unmerited favor - and kept saved by His grace no matter how we live, because our salvation is rooted in the finished work of Christ on the cross, and given as a gift that cannot be earned in any way.

You believe in a mixture of grace and works. You believe one must live and act a certain way or they will lose their salvation.

Christ took that burden off of us, and you want to put it right back on.
 
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Amellinialman

Guest
#183
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Yes, budman. We are by grace through faith and not of works, it is a gift fron God. Lest, anyone should boast.
 
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