Eternal sin?

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Sorry, peeps if this is on the wrong board. If it is, then I would greatly appreciate if you could move it.

Okay, I’m a bit concerned about something called the “Eternal sin” or better know as the “Unpardonable sin” (Mark 3:28-30) When I heard about it curses instantly crossed my mind, I kept having thoughts like “he’s evil” or curses calling him a demon (I don’t believe he’s evil or a demon, I know he’s good but still these things came to my mind” and more bad stuff. Have I done the unpardonable sin? I’m concerned that maybe God doesn’t love me anymore, mabye he has abandoned me, or even mabye I did it? I’ve heard stuff about the unpardonable sin like “The unpardonable sin is unbelief” I simply do not believe in that because: 1, there are lots of people who did NOT believe in God, but then turned their life around and were forgiven. Next I heard about how it’s un duplicatable today, and another how it cannot be done in your mind, and one other one about how it’s not merely words you actually must BELIEVE in your HEART that He was that. I don’t have these thoughts as much as I used to but I feel like I’m at the end of my rope and there’s no hope for me. I feel depressed and cannot get over it. I feel like I cannot be happy again. I have asked God to remove these Blasphemous thoughts, and temptations to do it from my head, but I do not feel like he’s listening. Is there hope for someone like me?
Look.....at the end of the day it boils down to UNBELIEF into Christ and his work to be saved

JESUS said the Pharisees would die in their sins and not be able to go where he would be...WHY....because they believed that he was doing the work by the power of the devil instead of by the power of the Holy Spirit dwelling in him....this is UNBELIEF and ONE who will not believe <---Cannot be FORGIVEN.....

THE SIMPLICITY found in Christ...........

It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save the that BELIEVE
 

Placid

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Hi Decontroversal,

Quote: Look.....at the end of the day it boils down to UNBELIEF into Christ and his work to be saved.

Actually we were all in unbelief before we heard the Gospel message and were saved, and we believe that all of our sins were pardoned. --- So it is other than that. --- It is the deliberate denying of Christ and His work, after you see the evidence of His healing and deliverance.

Consider this profound statement from John 3:1 There was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. 2 This man came to Jesus by night and said to Him, “Rabbi, we know that You are a teacher come from God; for no one can do these signs that You do unless God is with him.”

Notice that Nicodemus was a Pharisee, a ruler of the Jews, so he was one of authority. He said, "We (Pharisees) KNOW that You are a teacher come rom God --- (and the proof is), for no one can do these signs that You do except God be with him.

So the Pharisees that opposed Jesus Christ deliberately put themselves in Satan's camp.
 

preston39

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So the real 'blasphemy of the Holy Spirit,' is attributing the power of God to Satan or his demons.
--- The wonderful thing is that nobody who believes in God can commit a sin that cannot be forgiven. --- The thing is to go quickly to God for forgiveness, and healing.
P....,
Where in scriptures does it say ...if un pardonable sin is committed ..."go to quickly to G-d for forgiveness"...? Aren't we speaking of the un pardonable sin here? There is no ...go to.
Any sin is giving power to Satan and his entities.
 

Budman

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It is by the Holy Spirit that God the Father draws men to Jesus. The Holy Spirit also reproves men of sin. A person who has blasphemed the Spirit of God will have no desire to be saved because the Spirit will thus never come to him to reprove him of his sins.

Therefore, anyone who still has the desire to be saved has not committed the Unpardonable Sin.

And no Christian can commit the Unpardonable Sin for the simple reason that on the matter of salvation, all of his sins are already pardoned.

Rejecting the offer of salvation through unbelief, to the point of death, is the only sin attributed to man.
 

Placid

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Hi Preston39,

Quote:
So the real 'blasphemy of the Holy Spirit,' is attributing the power of God to Satan or his demons.
--- The wonderful thing is that nobody who believes in God can commit a sin that cannot be forgiven. --- The thing is to go quickly to God for forgiveness, and healing.
Click to expand...
P....,
Where in scriptures does it say ...if un pardonable sin is committed ..."go to quickly to G-d for forgiveness"...? Aren't we speaking of the un pardonable sin here? There is no ...go to.
Any sin is giving power to Satan and his entities.

Response:
I guess I should have clarified that the wonderful thing for Christians, who have been forgiven of sin, and sin again, --- is that they can go quickly to God and have the current sin forgiven. --- The important thing is to have the presence of mind to do it quickly, lest we try to rationalize or compare to others to minimise the offense. --- When conviction comes from the Holy Spirit we need to go to God first for forgiveness, and then go to others who we might need to apologise to, if the offence involved others.

I agree with Budman above. Quote: "No Christian can commit the Unpardonable Sin."
 

preston39

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It is by the Holy Spirit that God the Father draws men to Jesus. The Holy Spirit also reproves men of sin. A person who has blasphemed the Spirit of God will have no desire to be saved because the Spirit will thus never come to him to reprove him of his sins.

Therefore, anyone who still has the desire to be saved has not committed the Unpardonable Sin.

And no Christian can commit the Unpardonable Sin for the simple reason that on the matter of salvation, all of his sins are already pardoned.

Rejecting the offer of salvation through unbelief, to the point of death, is the only sin attributed to man.

B...,
The Bible doesn't say that. Maybe you have one of those new age religion types....?
 

preston39

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Dec 18, 2017
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Hi Preston39,

Quote:
So the real 'blasphemy of the Holy Spirit,' is attributing the power of God to Satan or his demons.
--- The wonderful thing is that nobody who believes in God can commit a sin that cannot be forgiven. --- The thing is to go quickly to God for forgiveness, and healing.
Click to expand...
P....,
Where in scriptures does it say ...if un pardonable sin is committed ..."go to quickly to G-d for forgiveness"...? Aren't we speaking of the un pardonable sin here? There is no ...go to.
Any sin is giving power to Satan and his entities.

Response:
I guess I should have clarified that the wonderful thing for Christians, who have been forgiven of sin, and sin again, --- is that they can go quickly to God and have the current sin forgiven. --- The important thing is to have the presence of mind to do it quickly, lest we try to rationalize or compare to others to minimise the offense. --- When conviction comes from the Holy Spirit we need to go to God first for forgiveness, and then go to others who we might need to apologise to, if the offence involved others.

I agree with Budman above. Quote: "No Christian can commit the Unpardonable Sin."
P...,
You and B...above are wrong.
 

Placid

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Sep 27, 2016
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While our desire is to assure ImOneOddCooki that he has not committed the unpardonable sin, there is another category that can be mentioned in Hebrews 10:

26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,
27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries.
28 Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses.
29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?
30 For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord. And again, “The Lord will judge His people.”
31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

--- If a person accepts Jesus Christ as his Savior and Lord, and has received 'the knowledge of the truth,' or has tasted the 'awareness of God,' --- and then willfully turns from it to denounce what he has received and to deny the Gospel, and the saving power of Jesus Christ through His death on the cross, --- then there is not another way to be saved. --- He has removed himself from the way to eternal life.

--- We are to be our brother's keeper by prayer and supplication, but:
It says in 1 John 5:16 If anyone sees his brother sinning a sin which does not lead to death, he will ask, and He will give him life for those who commit sin not leading to death. --- There is sin leading to death. I do not say that he should pray about that. --- 17 All unrighteousness is sin, and there is sin not leading to death.
--- Unrighteousness can be repented of and forgiven, but the sin unto death can refer to those who have denounced their faith and are unrepentant.

(This can bring up the debate of "Once saved always saved," --- or "You can be saved and lost again.") --- It says in John 10:27 "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. 28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand. "
--- At this time Judas was still with the disciples as one of them, --- so did he take himself out of the hand of God to be called the 'son of perdition?' --- John 17:12.

So, while no one else can pluck us out of the Father's hand, --- we can take ourselves out, can we not? By the denunciation of our faith? --- And then 'we fall into the hands of the living God.'
 
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theanointedsinner

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the only unforgivable sin is the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit
which is denying that Jesus is the Christ, which is a sin that the saved will never have to worry about
 

Nauga

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Sorry, peeps if this is on the wrong board. If it is, then I would greatly appreciate if you could move it.

Okay, I’m a bit concerned about something called the “Eternal sin” or better know as the “Unpardonable sin” (Mark 3:28-30) When I heard about it curses instantly crossed my mind, I kept having thoughts like “he’s evil” or curses calling him a demon (I don’t believe he’s evil or a demon, I know he’s good but still these things came to my mind” and more bad stuff. Have I done the unpardonable sin? I’m concerned that maybe God doesn’t love me anymore, mabye he has abandoned me, or even mabye I did it? I’ve heard stuff about the unpardonable sin like “The unpardonable sin is unbelief” I simply do not believe in that because: 1, there are lots of people who did NOT believe in God, but then turned their life around and were forgiven. Next I heard about how it’s un duplicatable today, and another how it cannot be done in your mind, and one other one about how it’s not merely words you actually must BELIEVE in your HEART that He was that. I don’t have these thoughts as much as I used to but I feel like I’m at the end of my rope and there’s no hope for me. I feel depressed and cannot get over it. I feel like I cannot be happy again. I have asked God to remove these Blasphemous thoughts, and temptations to do it from my head, but I do not feel like he’s listening. Is there hope for someone like me?
The unpardonable sin would be blaspheming the Holy Spirit...A persons mouth can get them into deep doodoo because of the very real power of our words but sinning with a runaway mouth is forgivable...Blaspheming the Holy Spirit is not.