ETERNAL SOCIAL ORDER- Part 1

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SeekinHIM

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Precious Brothers and Sisters,

THIS IS A MOST FAVORITE TOPIC OF MINE TO TALK ABOUT BECAUSE THIS IS FOR ALL OF US THAT ARE GOD'S SON'S AND DAUGHTERS.........

Just as we here on Earth have a social order, so this will be the same in Heaven.......The Bible clearly portrays this in numerous places under different aspects of heirarchy and order.....So, just as we have rulers and authorities here, this will be the same in Heaven. THE GREAT DIFFERENCE IS THERE WILL BE NO SIN OR DECAY OR DEATH OR SORROW AND THE GOVERNMENT WILL BE UPON HIS SHOULDERS....
ISAIAH 9:6

Let's just look at a couple of things that were revealed to Isaiah, from the LORD... PLEASE READ CH.9
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FOR A CHILD SHALL BE BORN TO US, A SON WILL BE GIVEN TO US; AND THE GOVERNMENT WILL

WILL REST UPON HIS SHOULDERS; AND HIS NAME WILL BE CALLED WONDERFUL CONSELOR, MIGHTY

GOD, ETERNAL FATHER, PRINCE OF PEACE. THERE WILL BE NO END TO THE INCREASE OF HIS

GOVERNMENT OR OF PEACE ON THE THRONE OF DAVID AND OVER HIS KINGDOM, TO ESTABLISH IT

AND TO UPHOLD IT WITH JUSTICE AND RIGHTEOUSNESS FROM THEN ON AND FOREVERMORE.

Ok it's pretty clear here that this passage from Isaiah is talking about JESUS CHRIST.........

Now let's look at some other Scriptures that also indicate a social order......

MANSIONS IN HEAVEN - JOHN 14:1-3 Do not let your hearts be troubled; believe in GOD, believe also in ME. In MY FATHERS House are many mansions (dwelling places) if it were not so I would have told you....for I go to prepare a place for you. If I go and prepare a place for you; I will come again and receive you unto MYSELF, that where I am, there you may be also.

Ok, that's pretty clear, there are homes for us there.......Now let's look at Authority there.....

1 TIMOTHY 6:15- WHICH HE WILL BRING ABOUT AT THE PROPER TIME- HE WHO IS THE BLESSED AND ONLY SOVERIGN , THE KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS...........

REVELATION-19:16- AND ON HIS ROBE AND ON HIS THIGH HE HAS A NAME WRITTEN, KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.......

REVELATION 20:21- 27 PLEASE READ THESE PASSAGES, FOR SPACE SAKE I WILL ONLY PUT VERSES 24+25- AND THE NATIONS WILL WALK BY IT'S LIGHT, AND THE KINGS OF THE EARTH WILL BRING THEIR GLORY INTO IT. IN THE DAYTIME (for there will be no night there) IT'S GATES WILL NEVER BE CLOSED...............

Now there are a lot more Scriptures that teach us about this Eternal order, some talk about us Judging Angels, and much, much more......Please look into this...........While this order is quite tainted because of sin and the resulting DECAY in all of it's forms.....THIS WILL NEVER BE IN HEAVEN OUR TRUE HOME.

MORE TO FOLLOW........

SeekinHIM
 
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sunshine_debbie

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Just as we here on Earth have a social order, so this will be the same in Heaven.......The Bible clearly portrays this in numerous places under different aspects of heirarchy and order.....So, just as we have rulers and authorities here, this will be the same in Heaven. THE GREAT DIFFERENCE IS THERE WILL BE NO SIN OR DECAY OR DEATH OR SORROW AND THE GOVERNMENT WILL BE UPON HIS SHOULDERS....

I do not understand this. How can there be a social order. I mean excepting maybe like the saints and the angels, why on earth would one Christian be any higher or lower on a social order then another? That goes against every teaching I have ever heard. It sounds Catholic almost, like the more good works you do and the more Christian like you become, the higher your standing. The more sins you have committed and the worse the sin, the lower down the social ladder. Please explain this to me as I am quite confused.

Thank you

Debbie
 
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SeekinHIM

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Precious Sunshine,

I sent you a pm, to share some of this with you, and also, if you have any other questions, just feel free to ask me......

SeekinHIM
 
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imoss

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hope you arent leading her to a cult like belief. Perhaps you should post for all to see.
 
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SeekinHIM

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Dear Imoss,

Do you really believe this ? A cult ? With all of the other posts / threads, that I've done on here, AND MY CLEAR TRANSPARANCY OF LOVE FOR MY GOD AND JESUS............. is that what they sound like.....?

Wow, that's a little suprising........Since she had a difficult time with this, I believed it was more important to contact her directly, as I have on other topical questions from others.........This, my friend, does not constitute a cult.........If you asked me that question I would have responded the same way, A PRIVATE MESSAGE......

SeekinHIM
 
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oopsies

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Well, if you post for all to see then we can all read it, take it in, and discern. If discernment by the Holy Spirit leads us to believe that you are right, then through you good has been done. So why not post for all to see?
 
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SeekinHIM

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While this is a good idea, I ask you, instead of even an implication of wrongdoing, why couldn't you have asked this first, instead of throwing spears, or shooting arrows ...........?

Have you ever read the Book called "Crucified By Christians" ? It's by an author named Gene Edwards.............You might want to check it out.....

BESIDES, IT IS PRUDENT FOR THOSE WHO GET AN AROMA OF THE BANQUET- FROM A DISTANCE; TO COME TO THE TABLE TO HAVE THEIR FILL.....


SeekinHIM
 
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oopsies

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SeekinHIM said:
While this is a good idea, I ask you, instead of even an implication of wrongdoing, why couldn't you have asked this first, instead of throwing spears, or shooting arrows ...........?

Have you ever read the Book called "Crucified By Christians" ? It's by an author named Gene Edwards.............You might want to check it out.....

BESIDES, IT IS PRUDENT FOR THOSE WHO GET AN AROMA OF THE BANQUET- FROM A DISTANCE; TO COME TO THE TABLE TO HAVE THEIR FILL.....


SeekinHIM
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I didn't throw "spears." I'm just explaining the logic behind why imoss wanted to read what you sent.

So... are you going to share with the rest of the body of Christ? Or are you going to "hoard" this knowledge?
 
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SeekinHIM

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Precious,

LOGIC : this sounds suspiciously like you are leaning on your own understanding, not Acknowledging GOD in all of your ways....

Even a slight indication of a cult involvement, is uh, certainly not a GODLY response, nor a request to learn........Whether you know it or not, cults are seriously controlled by strong Principalities..........My heart is for My KING, and nothing more, except the freedom afforded by HIM for you, and all others.....THIS IS CLEARLY PORTRAYED IN MY THREADS, DON'T YOU SEE THIS ? I THOUGHT IT WAS CLEAR!

I will do a more descriptive teaching for you and others, at another time.....TRUST ME, it will clearly portray THE ETERNAL SOCIAL ORDER THAT AWAITS THE REDEEMED.....

SeekinHIM
 
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greatkraw

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SeekinHIM said:
Dear Imoss,

Do you really believe this ? A cult ? With all of the other posts / threads, that I've done on here, AND MY CLEAR TRANSPARANCY OF LOVE FOR MY GOD AND JESUS............. is that what they sound like.....?

Wow, that's a little suprising........Since she had a difficult time with this, I believed it was more important to contact her directly, as I have on other topical questions from others.........This, my friend, does not constitute a cult.........If you asked me that question I would have responded the same way, A PRIVATE MESSAGE......

SeekinHIM
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I smell a wolf in sheeps clothing who will not answer direct questions
 
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SeekinHIM

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Precious Brother,

I had a sense you were ready to pounce.......hmmm... Well anyway, as I said, I will do a much more in-depth teaching on this subject, but please, do not wait for me.........! Search the Word for yourselves........FOR WHEN YOU SEARCH FOR HIM, YOU WILL FIND HIM, WHEN YOU SEARCH WITH ALL OF YOUR HEART......

Here's a thought from Watchman Nee.............ALL KNOWLEDGE IS THE OUTGROWTH OF WISDOM..........THE REST IS JUST INFORMATON!

SeekinHIM "wolves in sheeps clothing"............Remember what Paul has to say about that..........or, you could just search it out.
 
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SeekinHIM

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Dear Greatkraw,

Perhaps you and Oopsies could get the book I mentioned......CRUCIFIED BY CHRISTIANS by Gene Edwards, and do a study on it......

Just a thought.....

SeekinHIM
 
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imoss

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Seekinghim... sorry, I've just heard the multilevel heaven thing and it was the Jehovahs witness Church that promoted it and this cult has caused much division within my family. I truly am sorry, for I am not your Accuser and have never had a problem with your posts and I absolutely am corrected and am truly sorry for any attacks upon your person as a result of my post. I hope you understand that I immediately assume a stance of defensiveness when I see anything remotely resembling that cults theology. I'm sorry for my assumption & to be quite honest with you, when I posted that post I was in a terrible CRANKY mood. This is no excuse and I deeply regret the attack. Hoping you can accept this.
 
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SeekinHIM

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Precious Imoss,

Thank you imoss, I had already forgiven you after the comment, and I have to say that I am blessed for this response. I assure you that I am in no way involved with the Jehovah Witnesses...........As a matter of fact the last one that came to my door had a serious ailment that was apparent, and I gently tried to minister to her, needless to say, she refused simply because of unbelief......They havn't come to my door since...........That was a year and a half ago............

Thank you

SeekinHIM
 
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sunshine_debbie

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I got your message and read the scriptures and still do not get what you are trying to say. Except for the throne next to God on each side, which Jesus said is reserved, there is nothing else that I see that points to a social order.

Did you get my reply?

Because I am still confused, and the scriptures you gave go against what you said, or am I reading them wrong?

Debbie
 
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SeekinHIM

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Precious Brothers and Sisters,

The specific words in these texts, are indicators and clearly portray the reality of an Eternal social order............Some of these are commonly used here, but IN THE HEAVENLIES THESE WILL BE PERFECT.............WHICH SIMPLY MEANS NO SIN PRESENT, NO SICKNESS, NO FEAR, ETC.......
Now this is almost too difficult to imagine here, now, on Earth, because we are in the WORST times on Earth, SIN IS INCREASING ALL AROUND.....
JESUS QUOTED ......JUST AS IN THE DAYS OF NOAH.........BUT THIS ETERNAL ORDER WILL BE A SINLESS PARADISE........THE WORD IS CLEAR.

GOVERNMENT- Now again, we can't conceive a perfectly run government, because we have never seen or experienced such a thing on this Earth...

MANSIONS- Now this is clear in the text, and the best part is, NO MORTGAGE PAYMENTS........

KING of kings-
LORD of lords- This is clear in Timothy...Remember, JESUS IS KING OF THE UNIVERSE ......And also we are the kings and lords in HIS GOVERNMENT...
This is written capitals, and lower case for a reason ............AND THEN IN REVELATION, JOHN, WHO WROTE IT MAKES IT ALL CAPITAL LETTERS, BECAUSE WE ARE GLORIFIED WITH THE LORD IN THAT PART OF REVELATION....................WOOOOOHOOOO.....

I hope this clears up any confusion on this issue.......There's a lot more in the Word, and I specifically DON'T give all of the references because what fun would that be, where's your desire to search, to read and study this most amazing LOVE STORY OF THE AGES........This is why I place these teachings here, as instructed of the LORD, to get you thinking, searching, crying out to GOD to heal your life, no matter what the problem is.....
BECAUSE QUITE SIMPLY, I LOVE YOU..........AND THIS IS YOUR PORTION, YOUR BLESSINGS, YOUR PROVISION BY YOUR LOVING FATHER......

SeekinHIM
 
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greatkraw

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you dont really get into specifics, do you?
 
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SeekinHIM

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Precious Greatkraw,

I thought this was specific...........All you have to do is sit and ponder these different aspects of society that are mentioined here........judges, overseers, pastors, teachers, custodians, official messengers, cultural attache's, AMBASSADORS, the list's go on and on.......

Everything about this society is TAINTED WITH SIN.................THE ETERNAL ONE WON'T BE.........Of course we won't need certain aspects of this order, such as fish markets, NATURALLY OCCURRING FOOD Related things, because the food is quite different there............

Just consider that in Revelation it speaks of the MARRIAGE SUPPER OF THE LAMB...............THIS IS NOT JUST A SPACE FILLER, THIS IS AN ACTUAL

EVENT THAT WILL TAKE PLACE SHORTLY...............SO GET READY.....

SeekinHIM
 
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greatkraw

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we are going to reign on earth with Christ for a thousand years

there will still be sin on earth during that time

before that we will spend at least 7 years in heaven while Christs purges the church
 
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After reading this thread, let me ask a question.

Two brothers, both having the Spirit and the new birth, both believing and saved.

One spends all day and night in fellowship with Jesus and through Him, the Father.

One spends his day working for his family, and providing for their comfort. He sleeps at night. He spends what time he has available to spend in fellowship with Jesus and the Father.

Which one will be closer to Jesus in heaven?

Please note that both have opportunity to spend equal time with Jesus and with the Father. What you are doing in this world does not preclude in any way fellowship with our God. It may distract, but will not preclude.

In His peace,
 
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