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right now it's 10:35 am
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There's no need to speculate about this seeing as how God defined the limits
of Day and Night very early in the Bible.
†. Gen 1:3-5 . . And God said: Let there be light-- and there was light. God
saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness.
God called the light Day and the darkness He called Night.
†. Gen 1:14-18 . . God made two great lights-- the greater light to govern
the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. God
set them in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth, to govern the
day and the night, and to separate light from darkness.
In other words: Day is when the sun is up, and Night is when the sun is
down; viz: Day in the Bible is never a 24-hour amalgam of light and dark.
To that Jesus Christ agreed by identifying the length of a Day as only 12
hours rather than 24.
†. John 11:9 . . Jesus answered: are there not twelve hours in the day? A
man who walks by day will not stumble, for he sees by this world's light.
A day divided into twelve equal periods was regulated by what's known as
temporal hours; which vary in length in accordance with the time of year.
There are times of the year at Jerusalem's latitude when days on earth
consist of less than 12 normal hours of daylight, and sometimes more; but
when Jesus was here; the official number of hours was always 12 regardless.
I don't exactly know why the Jews of that era divided their work day into
twelve equal periods regardless of the seasons, but I suspect it was just a
convenient way to operate the government and conduct civil affairs;
including the Temple's activities (e.g. the daily morning and evening
sacrifice)
So; to answer the OP, evening is best reckoned from high noon to sundown,
while morning is best reckoned from sunup to high noon.
It's very important to follow Christ's lead and use God's definitions of Day
and Night or otherwise confusion will result when attempting to figure out
the chronology of Jesus Christ's burial and resurrection.
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There's no need to speculate about this seeing as how God defined the limits
of Day and Night very early in the Bible.
†. Gen 1:3-5 . . And God said: Let there be light-- and there was light. God
saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness.
God called the light Day and the darkness He called Night.
†. Gen 1:14-18 . . God made two great lights-- the greater light to govern
the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. God
set them in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth, to govern the
day and the night, and to separate light from darkness.
In other words: Day is when the sun is up, and Night is when the sun is
down; viz: Day in the Bible is never a 24-hour amalgam of light and dark.
To that Jesus Christ agreed by identifying the length of a Day as only 12
hours rather than 24.
†. John 11:9 . . Jesus answered: are there not twelve hours in the day? A
man who walks by day will not stumble, for he sees by this world's light.
A day divided into twelve equal periods was regulated by what's known as
temporal hours; which vary in length in accordance with the time of year.
There are times of the year at Jerusalem's latitude when days on earth
consist of less than 12 normal hours of daylight, and sometimes more; but
when Jesus was here; the official number of hours was always 12 regardless.
I don't exactly know why the Jews of that era divided their work day into
twelve equal periods regardless of the seasons, but I suspect it was just a
convenient way to operate the government and conduct civil affairs;
including the Temple's activities (e.g. the daily morning and evening
sacrifice)
So; to answer the OP, evening is best reckoned from high noon to sundown,
while morning is best reckoned from sunup to high noon.
It's very important to follow Christ's lead and use God's definitions of Day
and Night or otherwise confusion will result when attempting to figure out
the chronology of Jesus Christ's burial and resurrection.
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One has to be careful with hours in the New Testament. Sometimes
they're the Jews' hours and sometimes they're the Romans' hours. The
Romans began counting their hours at midnight; while the Jews began
counting theirs six hours after midnight. In other words: what the sixth
hour was for Romans was the first hour for Jews.
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One has to be careful with hours in the New Testament. Sometimes
they're the Jews' hours and sometimes they're the Romans' hours. The
Romans began counting their hours at midnight; while the Jews began
counting theirs six hours after midnight. In other words: what the sixth
hour was for Romans was the first hour for Jews.
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EXCERPT FROM ARTICLE:
Understanding Hours of the Day
The biblical way of reckoning time starts with a calendar day that breaks at sunset instead of the modern calendar day-break at midnight.
Within the calendar day there are two 12 hour periods, 12 hours of darkness, called night, and 12 hours of daylight, called day.
Most biblical references to time at night are given as a reference to 1 of 4 different Watches of the Night. The second ring on 12 hour analog style Bible Clocks marks the start of each of those 4 watches. The starting time for the first watch is at nominal sunset, 6:00 PM, then the second watch at 9:00 PM, the third watch at 12:00 Midnight, and the 4th watch at 3:00 AM.
All biblical references to time during the daylight part of the day are given by the hour of the day. The first hour starts at 6:00 AM, 1/2 way through the calendar day. The seventh hour of the day begins at 12:00 Noon, the 12th hour of the day begins at 5:00 PM.
The Calendar of the Bible puts particular emphasis on the Sabbath cycle, including a weekly cycle, and a Sabbath cycle in the years and in Jubilees. The biblical view of the hours of the day indicates the seventh hour begins at high-noon, which is the normal start for the lunch hour, or siesta, and it marks a mid-day Sabbath.
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[h=3]1. Bible Clocks - Bible Clocks[/h]
Understanding Hours of the Day
The biblical way of reckoning time starts with a calendar day that breaks at sunset instead of the modern calendar day-break at midnight.
Within the calendar day there are two 12 hour periods, 12 hours of darkness, called night, and 12 hours of daylight, called day.
Most biblical references to time at night are given as a reference to 1 of 4 different Watches of the Night. The second ring on 12 hour analog style Bible Clocks marks the start of each of those 4 watches. The starting time for the first watch is at nominal sunset, 6:00 PM, then the second watch at 9:00 PM, the third watch at 12:00 Midnight, and the 4th watch at 3:00 AM.
All biblical references to time during the daylight part of the day are given by the hour of the day. The first hour starts at 6:00 AM, 1/2 way through the calendar day. The seventh hour of the day begins at 12:00 Noon, the 12th hour of the day begins at 5:00 PM.
The Calendar of the Bible puts particular emphasis on the Sabbath cycle, including a weekly cycle, and a Sabbath cycle in the years and in Jubilees. The biblical view of the hours of the day indicates the seventh hour begins at high-noon, which is the normal start for the lunch hour, or siesta, and it marks a mid-day Sabbath.
FOUND HERE
[h=3]1. Bible Clocks - Bible Clocks[/h]
WebersHome,
re: "I'm not familiar with that term. Where did you get it?"
I sense I'm getting tricked into something here since you must be familiar with the phrase "beyn ha'arbayim" Exodus 12:6 Young's Literal Translation (YLT) "And it hath become a charge to you, until the fourteenth day of this month, and the whole assembly of the company of Israel have slaughtered it between the evenings..."
re: "I'm not familiar with that term. Where did you get it?"
I sense I'm getting tricked into something here since you must be familiar with the phrase "beyn ha'arbayim" Exodus 12:6 Young's Literal Translation (YLT) "And it hath become a charge to you, until the fourteenth day of this month, and the whole assembly of the company of Israel have slaughtered it between the evenings..."
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Honest; no tricks. This is new to me.
It looks to me that Young's is correct. The little Hebrew word beyn can mean
"between" but according to Strong's Lexicon, it can also mean some other
things too depending upon the context.
Well; I'm no linguist; but I suggest it should be translated "in the evening"
rather than between the evenings because the law of the Passover requires
that the lambs be slaughtered and roasted ready to eat by sundown; most
especially because Passover night commences the Feast of Unleavened
Bread; the first night of which commences a special sabbath during which no
manner of work may be done. In other words: Jews can eat after sundown;
but they can't do any cooking.
FYI: Incidentally, modern Jews don't eat lamb on Passover night; the reason
being that they interpret the law to require a lamb be slaughtered and
roasted on the Altar in conjunction with the lambs that are slaughtered and
roasted for dinner. Well; currently there is no Altar in Jerusalem so I guess
the Jews figure that releases them of their obligation to eat lamb for dinner
on Passover night.
Actually Jews out-of-country aren't supposed to eat their lambs on Passover
night anyway. According to Num 9:10-11 they're supposed to wait a full
month after Passover before eating theirs.
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Honest; no tricks. This is new to me.
It looks to me that Young's is correct. The little Hebrew word beyn can mean
"between" but according to Strong's Lexicon, it can also mean some other
things too depending upon the context.
Well; I'm no linguist; but I suggest it should be translated "in the evening"
rather than between the evenings because the law of the Passover requires
that the lambs be slaughtered and roasted ready to eat by sundown; most
especially because Passover night commences the Feast of Unleavened
Bread; the first night of which commences a special sabbath during which no
manner of work may be done. In other words: Jews can eat after sundown;
but they can't do any cooking.
FYI: Incidentally, modern Jews don't eat lamb on Passover night; the reason
being that they interpret the law to require a lamb be slaughtered and
roasted on the Altar in conjunction with the lambs that are slaughtered and
roasted for dinner. Well; currently there is no Altar in Jerusalem so I guess
the Jews figure that releases them of their obligation to eat lamb for dinner
on Passover night.
Actually Jews out-of-country aren't supposed to eat their lambs on Passover
night anyway. According to Num 9:10-11 they're supposed to wait a full
month after Passover before eating theirs.
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Edersheim's "The Temple" (1969 edition) in chapter 11 The Passover page 211-212 concludes "from the contemporary testimony of Josephus (Jew. Wars, vi. 9, 3) and from Talmudical authorities, there cannot be a doubt that, at the time of our Lord, it was regarded as the interval between the sun's commencing to decline and his actual disappearance."
That was about the half-way point from high noon until actual sunset.
The Smararitans, the Karaite Jews, and many modern interpreters regarded evening as between actual sunset and nightfall/complete darkness, 6P-7P varied by seasons (page 212).
There's some opinion, his included, the first evening was based on the timing of the Passover sacrifice which began then at 2:30 (9th hour watch beginning at 2), when a lamb should be killed, the second evening at 3:30 at Jerusalem when it is offered, concerning provision of making adequate time to prepare for then observe everything else required by sunset (such as prayers), else activities fell into the next day, so evening was backed up to the afternoon. Low lying towns would experience the end of day earlier, so there was about an hour difference across Israel because of location, high or low lying. If the sun couldn't be seen, then they went by when the fowls went to roost. They don't do that right at full darkness, another little detail against the Samaritan opinion.
That was about the half-way point from high noon until actual sunset.
The Smararitans, the Karaite Jews, and many modern interpreters regarded evening as between actual sunset and nightfall/complete darkness, 6P-7P varied by seasons (page 212).
There's some opinion, his included, the first evening was based on the timing of the Passover sacrifice which began then at 2:30 (9th hour watch beginning at 2), when a lamb should be killed, the second evening at 3:30 at Jerusalem when it is offered, concerning provision of making adequate time to prepare for then observe everything else required by sunset (such as prayers), else activities fell into the next day, so evening was backed up to the afternoon. Low lying towns would experience the end of day earlier, so there was about an hour difference across Israel because of location, high or low lying. If the sun couldn't be seen, then they went by when the fowls went to roost. They don't do that right at full darkness, another little detail against the Samaritan opinion.