Explaining Jesus as a man?!

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giantone

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He doesnt read the bible, and he's not familiar with them bible except what he hears at Celebrate Recovery! He recently saw a video called Fathers Love Letter and he really payed attention! If you've never seen it, look it up on youtube abd watch the top choice!
Second, Im not going to marry him if he doesnt come to know the Lord or at least continue towards him! I need a Godly man who will strengthen my walk, not drag me down! And he knows this!
It isn't me your accountable to, You know what is what more than anyone. All I can convey is some of what I've been through and seen, hindsight is 20/20. I've found that people are going to do what they are going to do, good or bad and theres nothing I can do about it except say what needs to be said and then let the person make the choice, it's there life. Thats how my mom treats things, I make good choices and very very bad ones even if I don't always listen to wise counsel, but they are my choices and no one els's. I pray and plead to God for the best for you and whoever gets to be your husband, i'm sure he will be a very lucky man.

Proverbs 18:22 *¶Whoso findeth a wife findeth a good thing, and obtaineth favour of the LORD.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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There so much information to cover to really be thorough when dealing with the topic of Jesus's divinity. Many exhaustive scholarly books have been written on the subject and there is good information in many unscholarly ones.

A more scholarly introduction on the Divinity of Christ from the 'Son of God' topic headings in the 'Dictionary of Jesus and the Gospels' and also the 'Dictionary of Paul and His Letters.'

Which would lead us into a scholarly discussion with much meat to digest :) found in Dr. Norman Geisler's 'Christian Apologetics' book chapter 17 'The Deity and Authority of Jesus Christ' paying special attention to the section titled 'The Substantiation of Christ's Claims to Be God.'

On the basis of the historical reliability of the New Testament we can be sure that we possess the essence of the teachings of Christ about himself. In view of the messianic prophecies Jesus fulfilled, the titles of deity he applied to himself, and the worship he accepted, as well as the other claims to deity Christ made, we must conclude that Jesus thought of himself as God Incarnate in human form.

An examination of his disciples' beliefs about him reveals that they too taught that he was equal with and identical to God. Jesus not only claimed deity but he provided a unique and threefold proof that he was truly the person he claimed to be. He miraculously fulfilled dozens of prophecies made hundreds of years before his birth; he lived a sinless and miracle-filled life, and he died and rose triumphantly and bodily out of the grave. This convergence of three lines of the miraculous in one man-Jesus of Nazareth-confirms his claims to be the unique Son of God. Jesus alone claimed and proved to be deity.

We are now in a position to answer another of David Hume's objections to miracles. Hume argued that all religions present miracles in support Of their truth claims; hence, no religion can appeal to miracles since their claims are mutually self-canceling. Now we can see this is not true.
Only Christianity has a triune concurrence of unique miracles in the Person and claims of Christ. Hence, we may argue two things: first, only Christianity is true; and second, all other religions (based as they are on similar sub-Christian evidence) are false, since they are mutually self canceling. This argument for the truth of Christianity will stand unless a similar or unique miraculous concurrence can be historically verified for another religion.

One very important consequence follows from the conclusion that Christ is God, namely, his divine authority. But I am running out of room to type here.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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I'm sort of struggling with this system the administrators of this site put in place. I just discovered you only have 5 minutes to edit or delete a post after which it becomes finalized forever until the return of our Lord Jesus Christ. The only exception would be to contact the administrators and formally begin a discussion to change or delete a post.

So I couldn't edit my first or second post here. What a bummer. I hope the administration fixes this so people can go back and edit their posts or even delete them after five minutes.

*GASP* !!! Would it really be so terrible to allow it?

I don't think I'll be posting miuch in here as it's just too inflexible. This five minute set in concrete rule just doesn't sit well with me. So enjoy the discussions people. I'm just stick with chat and go find a Bible forum that is more flexible. Peace out.
 
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The only way to the Father is thr the Son show him that in the word. There are bible searches. Pray!
 
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greatkraw

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I'm sort of struggling with this system the administrators of this site put in place. I just discovered you only have 5 minutes to edit or delete a post after which it becomes finalized forever until the return of our Lord Jesus Christ. The only exception would be to contact the administrators and formally begin a discussion to change or delete a post.

So I couldn't edit my first or second post here. What a bummer. I hope the administration fixes this so people can go back and edit their posts or even delete them after five minutes.

*GASP* !!! Would it really be so terrible to allow it?

I don't think I'll be posting miuch in here as it's just too inflexible. This five minute set in concrete rule just doesn't sit well with me. So enjoy the discussions people. I'm just stick with chat and go find a Bible forum that is more flexible. Peace out.
Dude!

I SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO love tha avatar:D:D:D
 
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JMans1187

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So here is an update on my boyfriend/father of unborn child, He was in a DUI 2 months ago which violated the probation he was already on! This past Thursday he was finally arrested on a warrant issued from New Mexico(we live in Florida) where the first charges were commited! He has been attending Celebrate Recovery with me and learning Christ was God's son through some of the videos and songs we sing! He also watched how the others in our group treated him with respect, and how everyone treated him like a brother! He called me from booking before going into general population and asked me to write him, and "If I wouldnt mind, include some scripture in my letters!" Now I am going crazy without being able to just pick up a phone and call him, I miss him like crazy! But am so glad he is still seeking for the truth! My pastor is going to write him, we are working on getting him a bible, and I got him a subscription to the Daily Bread to be sent straight to him! So many people have been praying for his heart to open, and it is opening! Thank you everyone for your responses, and encouragement!! We really appreciate it!
 
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charisenexcelcis

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So here is an update on my boyfriend/father of unborn child, He was in a DUI 2 months ago which violated the probation he was already on! This past Thursday he was finally arrested on a warrant issued from New Mexico(we live in Florida) where the first charges were commited! He has been attending Celebrate Recovery with me and learning Christ was God's son through some of the videos and songs we sing! He also watched how the others in our group treated him with respect, and how everyone treated him like a brother! He called me from booking before going into general population and asked me to write him, and "If I wouldnt mind, include some scripture in my letters!" Now I am going crazy without being able to just pick up a phone and call him, I miss him like crazy! But am so glad he is still seeking for the truth! My pastor is going to write him, we are working on getting him a bible, and I got him a subscription to the Daily Bread to be sent straight to him! So many people have been praying for his heart to open, and it is opening! Thank you everyone for your responses, and encouragement!! We really appreciate it!
How long will he be in? I will pray for both of you.
David King
 
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JMans1187

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He was released after a week! Went to court for his DUI today and didnt get any jail time, just probation! He has court in New Mexico next month, and we dont know what will happen with that! I'm leaving it in Gods Hands!
 
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Redeemed79

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Well i would say God's plan for his life is already unfolding for you, I do not know you but have an excitement about it all!! I really hope all goes well for you, him and your baby to come!! I love that what seems to have softened his heart was "and they shall know us by our love for one another".......you are OBVIOUSLY in a loving church and I LOVE THAT!!! Best of luck....xox
 
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I am a newly rededicated Christian and still learning and growing in God's Word! There is a situation I need help with! So here it goes....

My boyfriend, and baby's father to be, is not a Christian! Once in a while we get into conversations about God and the Bible, which turns into debates! He says he belives there is God the Father and God the Holy Spirit, But he doesn't believe Jesus was God's son who came in human form, as he says it! He believes Jesus was real, but was just a really good man! I've even asked him if Jesus was just a really good man, why would he die for everyone? Why if He wasn't God's son, knowing he will rise again? My bf just says "I know people who would die for others!"
Please help guide me towards some scriptures I can present to him during our next conversation/debate! He seems to get more and more interested in my new found happiness and Love for Christ, but I think he is scared and doesnt undestand! PLEASE HELP!!
Hi,
As many people have said, Prayer is your best answer. You could fast also. Not by denying food intake but by taking some yummy food out of your routine. You can "fast" in any way, just by doing (not doing) something in His name for His honour.
I know very little about the Muslim faith but watch closely. Is he close to his parents and his friends who are muslims. They are persecuted horribly if they convert. I also think that it is a trait that muslims act subserviently until they are in a strong position then they rebel. The truth is not in them.
love
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Elijahtruth

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J TAKE HIM too Adam and Eve seed gathering ministry on the net, therein the mystery is finished and the gathering has begun, when He realize's the Lord comes and He could be removed with the wicked Matthew 13:49-50! He will say lets begin too prepare for the gathering, those of Adam and Eve unmired/unmarred are now being gathered for the inheritance of the promisedland/paradise called earth! Much respect, also on the gathering site Adam and Eve are now honoured for their completed mission/research! Many classic paintings 100's telling the story of our People and God! The mystery and code is now given! Read the entire site, go to the contact page and leave a contact for many proofs too be given..Much respect Elijahtruth
 
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Ricke

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First of all
Please Remember the following when you witness to a Muslim.

They never Think of Jesus as The Son of God, rather a Great Prophet like their Mohammed.

They don't Beleive Jesus died at Calvary for our Sins.

They certainly don't Beleive Jesus is God, their God is Allah.

They don't Beleive in The Bible, only Their Koran.

They Beleive that lots of "Good Works" gets you in heaven, same as Many Religions beleive.

You have your work cut out for you.

One Think I DO like is The Muslims do not Beleive in a Triune God nor do I, but let that slide on this thread.!

Here is my suggestion. Turn in your Bible to I Timothy 3 v 16 KJV preferred...."And Great is the Mystery of Godliness, God was manifested in The Flesh......"

#2 Revelation, where Jesus says; " I Am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and The end.....saith THE ALMIGHTY.".

#3 John 1 v 1+14; "In the BEGININING Was THE Word., and The. word was with God, and the Word was God. V14 And THE WORD became Flesh".


#4 Isaiah 43 v 11 " I, even I Am The Lord, and beside me their is NO GOD" (no Allah, No Buddha, no Michael Jackson...oh wait! )

#5 John 20 v 28 Thomas says to Jesus..."My Lord, and My GOD".


#6 Acts 9 v 5 Paul on thee road to Demascus, is striken blind by Jesus. Jesus talks to him, Paul says, WHO ART THOU LORD"??

Jesus says" I AM Jesus , whom thou persecutest.....".

Try those for starters, maybe a light will shine in his heart... let us know....God Bless.
 
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#4 Isaiah 43 v 11 " I, even I Am The Lord, and beside me their is NO GOD" (no Allah, No Buddha, no Michael Jackson...oh wait! )
If you would have understood Islam, you wouldn't have said the above. All Muslims agree with the above quote of Isaiah (43:11).

in French: Dieu
in English: God
in Spanish: Dios
in Arabic: Allah

Peace be upon you
 
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Ricke

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StraightPath;
The Quote in Isaiah 43 v 11 refers to the Judeo- Christian God in The Old Testament not To "Allah" is that what Muslims beleive ? Or is it the mere mention of God they automatically think is Allah.?
 
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StraightPath;
The Quote in Isaiah 43 v 11 refers to the Judeo- Christian God in The Old Testament not To "Allah" is that what Muslims beleive ? Or is it the mere mention of God they automatically think is Allah.?
Allah is God and God is Allah. "Allah" is the same word used by Christian Arabs and Jewish Arabs in their Bible, centuries before Islam came.

If you open the Arabic Bible and go to Isaiah chapter 43 verse 11, you will find the world 'الله‎' = Allah =God. that's the point I was making in the previous post. If you open the English Bible and go to the same passage, you will find the world 'God' = Allah.
If you do the same with a Greek Bible you will find the world 'Θεός' =Theos = God/Allah ... and so on and so forth..

you say the quote Isaiah 43v11 refers to the Judeo-Christian God,but be careful, the God of the Heavens and the earth is Not a tribal God. God as spoken in Isaiah 43 v 11 is the God of Muslims, Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Atheists, Agnostics ... whatever and no matter if their understanding of God is right or wrong, it does not change the fact that God as spoken in Isaiah 43v11 is God of all these people. He is not a tribal god, He is God of All Mankind ...

you can say that the Muslims and Jews and these and those out there do not worship God/Allah as He is supposed to be worshiped (in Christianity?), you have a right to say so, and explain ... but as I said previously, referring to that:

#4 Isaiah 43 v 11 " I, even I Am The Lord, and beside me their is no god" (no Allah, No Buddha, no Michael Jackson...oh wait! )
If you would have understood Islam, you wouldn't have said the above. All Muslims completely agree with the above quote of Isaiah (43:11).

when I read from the Bible and I come across passages such as Isaiah (43:11) ... I can Only agree with It !

Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in God hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And God heareth and knoweth all things. [Quran 2:256]
 
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charisenexcelcis

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Allah is God and God is Allah. "Allah" is the same word used by Christian Arabs and Jewish Arabs in their Bible, centuries before Islam came.

you say the quote Isaiah 43v11 refers to the Judeo-Christian God,but be careful, the God of the Heavens and the earth is Not a tribal God. God as spoken in Isaiah 43 v 11 is the God of Muslims, Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Atheists, Agnostics ... whatever and no matter if their understanding of God is right or wrong, it does not change the fact that God as spoken in Isaiah 43v11 is God of all these people. He is not a tribal god, He is God of All Mankind ...

If you would have understood Islam, you wouldn't have said the above. All Muslims completely agree with the above quote of Isaiah (43:11).

when I read from the Bible and I come across passages such as Isaiah (43:11) ... I can Only agree with It !

Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in God hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And God heareth and knoweth all things. [Quran 2:256]
Straightforward! Good to see you. Just wanted to tell you that I am praying for you. I pray that you will come to know the depth of the mysteries of His will and purposes. god bless you.
 
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Straightforward! Good to see you. Just wanted to tell you that I am praying for you. I pray that you will come to know the depth of the mysteries of His will and purposes. god bless you.
just wanted to tell you, that I also pray very often for my own-self ... and others of course, but I do not neglect my soul. Prayers are always welcomed, as long as they are offered to God and God Alone.
Peace be upon you,
 
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Lifelike

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just wanted to tell you, that I also pray very often for my own-self ... and others of course, but I do not neglect my soul. Prayers are always welcomed, as long as they are offered to God and God Alone.
Peace be upon you,

And as long as they are prayed through Jesus Christ lol and as long as they arent witchcraft prayers(our own ideas, agendas and opinions), but are scriptural and spirit lead. ;) "no one comes to the Father, except by Me" "I am the door" "I am the Gate." Going to God the Father through Jesus Christ means death to ourselves. Nothing of the flesh gets through Him - He is death to our sin nature.
 
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paul1149

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JMans, a very interesting situation and thread. First, I would commend GiantOne's advice to you. Not to say that that necessarily describes your situation, but I laud him for bringing it up because it had to be covered. Take all the time you need to make sure that what you have is good and genuine .

As for the issue of Jesus being God, there are a few steps that might need to be taken when dealing with Muslims. They are taught that the Bible is corrupted, so if that's a problem you need to show the reliability of the texts. Then the fact that Jesus actually claimed to be God may have to be established.

If he likes to read, I would suggest CS Lewis' Mere Christianity for a philosophical approach, and Josh McDowell's Evidence that Demands a Verdict, and More than a Carpenter, for a systematic approach to Christianity. All are easy to read and very absorbing.

For something really quick and exceedingly powerful, you can find CS Lewis' Great Trilemma online. This is the famous apologetic in which he gives the reader only three choices - Jesus was either Lord, liar or lunatic, because no merely "good" man goes around claiming to be God, as did Jesus (receiving worship, forgiving sins, raising the dead, claiming to be one with the Father, to be the only way to the Father, to have taken the punishment for the sin of the whole world upon himself, etc).

All that said, I really like the witness of Christian love your church has made. So very often the head and the heart need to work together to bring us to salvation!

Be blessed.
 
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