Faith vs. presumption
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Definition ------from Dictionary
presumption the act of presuming.
belief on reasonable grounds or probable evidence.
So I see Presumption tied in with Dead Faith -------All Faith comes from God -----All of us are born with Dead Faith or what I personally call Human Faith which relies on our 5 senses ------so you believe in what you see ---feel --hear --taste and touch -----you believe in your Doctor as you see the person ---you believe the stove is hot cause when you touch it --it can burn you ---Science is based on this Faith ----
Faith is really never explained and many have no idea what real Faith is and just how powerful The Right Faith is ===My personal terms for the 3 Faiths is Human ---Demonic and Saving
These Faiths are described in Scripture ------2 of these Faiths are NON Producing -----the 3rd Faith is a producing Faith ----
The Book of James describes these Faiths -----
You can read all at link below ----I just posted part from this sight -----
Note: Copy Right gives permission to use as long as the person does not charge a fee -----
https://www.ccel.org/contrib/exec_outlines/ja/ja_10.htm
I. DEAD FAITH (14-17)
A. THIS KIND OF FAITH...
1. Substitutes words for deeds (consider James' example)
a. People with this kind of faith:
1) Know the correct vocabulary for prayer and sound doctrine
2) Can even quote the right verses from the Bible
b. But their "walk" does not measure up to their "talk"!
2. Is only an INTELLECTUAL faith
a. In one's mind, he or she knows the doctrine of salvation
b. But they have never really submitted themselves to God and
trusted in Jesus for salvation
c. They know the right "words", but they do not back up their
words with their "works"!
II. DEMONIC FAITH (18,19)
A. PERHAPS TO SHOCK ANY COMPLACENT READERS, JAMES REMINDS US THAT
EVEN "DEMONS" HAVE A KIND OF FAITH!
1. They believe in God (no atheists or agnostics here!)
2. They even believe in the deity of Christ - cf. Mk 3:11-12
3. They also believe in the existence of a place of condemnation
- cf. Lk 8:31
4. And they believe Jesus will be the Judge! - Mt 8:28-29
III. DYNAMIC FAITH (20-26)
A. WHAT KIND OF FAITH IS THIS?
1. We know from other passages that such faith is based upon the
Word of God - cf. Ro 10:17
2. Dynamic faith involves the WHOLE MAN
a. DEAD faith touches only the intellect
b. DEMONIC faith involves both the mind and the emotions
c. DYNAMIC faith involves the intellect, the emotions, AND the
WILL!
1) The MIND understands the truth
2) The HEART desires and rejoices in the truth
3) The WILL acts upon the truth
3. True, saving faith, then, LEADS TO ACTION
a. It is not intellectual contemplation
b. It is not emotionalism
c. It is that which leads to obedience in doing good works
presumption the act of presuming.
belief on reasonable grounds or probable evidence.
So I see Presumption tied in with Dead Faith -------All Faith comes from God -----All of us are born with Dead Faith or what I personally call Human Faith which relies on our 5 senses ------so you believe in what you see ---feel --hear --taste and touch -----you believe in your Doctor as you see the person ---you believe the stove is hot cause when you touch it --it can burn you ---Science is based on this Faith ----
Faith is really never explained and many have no idea what real Faith is and just how powerful The Right Faith is ===My personal terms for the 3 Faiths is Human ---Demonic and Saving
These Faiths are described in Scripture ------2 of these Faiths are NON Producing -----the 3rd Faith is a producing Faith ----
The Book of James describes these Faiths -----
You can read all at link below ----I just posted part from this sight -----
Note: Copy Right gives permission to use as long as the person does not charge a fee -----
https://www.ccel.org/contrib/exec_outlines/ja/ja_10.htm
I. DEAD FAITH (14-17)
A. THIS KIND OF FAITH...
1. Substitutes words for deeds (consider James' example)
a. People with this kind of faith:
1) Know the correct vocabulary for prayer and sound doctrine
2) Can even quote the right verses from the Bible
b. But their "walk" does not measure up to their "talk"!
2. Is only an INTELLECTUAL faith
a. In one's mind, he or she knows the doctrine of salvation
b. But they have never really submitted themselves to God and
trusted in Jesus for salvation
c. They know the right "words", but they do not back up their
words with their "works"!
II. DEMONIC FAITH (18,19)
A. PERHAPS TO SHOCK ANY COMPLACENT READERS, JAMES REMINDS US THAT
EVEN "DEMONS" HAVE A KIND OF FAITH!
1. They believe in God (no atheists or agnostics here!)
2. They even believe in the deity of Christ - cf. Mk 3:11-12
3. They also believe in the existence of a place of condemnation
- cf. Lk 8:31
4. And they believe Jesus will be the Judge! - Mt 8:28-29
III. DYNAMIC FAITH (20-26)
A. WHAT KIND OF FAITH IS THIS?
1. We know from other passages that such faith is based upon the
Word of God - cf. Ro 10:17
2. Dynamic faith involves the WHOLE MAN
a. DEAD faith touches only the intellect
b. DEMONIC faith involves both the mind and the emotions
c. DYNAMIC faith involves the intellect, the emotions, AND the
WILL!
1) The MIND understands the truth
2) The HEART desires and rejoices in the truth
3) The WILL acts upon the truth
3. True, saving faith, then, LEADS TO ACTION
a. It is not intellectual contemplation
b. It is not emotionalism
c. It is that which leads to obedience in doing good works
Rom 10:8, But what saith <the righteousness of faith>? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
Psa 119:11, Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee.
Psa 119:11, Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee.