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Hi Hoffco.
Regarding 1John 1:8, consider the evangelical context of 1John 1 from the beginning. Note that it declares eternal life so that others may also have fellowship with the Father and His Son.
Also, if 1John 1:8 referred to Christians, what "sin" does it refer to?
Is it the sin of transgression of the law (1John 3:4)?
No, as Christians are not under the law (Rom 8:2, Rom 10:4, Gal 4:25, Gal 5:18, 1Tim 1:9).
Is it the sin of unrighteousness (1John 5:17)?
No, as our faith is counted for righteousness, Rom 4:5.
Is it the sin of unbelief in Jesus (John 16:9)?
No, as we believe in Jesus.
So what "sin" can 1John 1:8 refer to if it speaks to Christians?
Also, Christians are not in the flesh/sinful nature.
Rom 8:9
you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit
But, we may agree in part as I see 1John 3:9 refers to believers as the new creation that cannot sin. Our lives are hid with Christ in God (Col 3:3) so who can lay anything to the charge of those God has justified (Rom 8:33)?
As for our imperfect physical bodies, it's already dead (by faith) because of sin (Rom 8:10).
Regarding 1John 1:8, consider the evangelical context of 1John 1 from the beginning. Note that it declares eternal life so that others may also have fellowship with the Father and His Son.
Also, if 1John 1:8 referred to Christians, what "sin" does it refer to?
Is it the sin of transgression of the law (1John 3:4)?
No, as Christians are not under the law (Rom 8:2, Rom 10:4, Gal 4:25, Gal 5:18, 1Tim 1:9).
Is it the sin of unrighteousness (1John 5:17)?
No, as our faith is counted for righteousness, Rom 4:5.
Is it the sin of unbelief in Jesus (John 16:9)?
No, as we believe in Jesus.
So what "sin" can 1John 1:8 refer to if it speaks to Christians?
Also, Christians are not in the flesh/sinful nature.
Rom 8:9
you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit
But, we may agree in part as I see 1John 3:9 refers to believers as the new creation that cannot sin. Our lives are hid with Christ in God (Col 3:3) so who can lay anything to the charge of those God has justified (Rom 8:33)?
As for our imperfect physical bodies, it's already dead (by faith) because of sin (Rom 8:10).
H
To Haz, You rightly point out That 1jh. is evangelistic. It is written to false believes who are claiming to be Perfect because of Christ work on the cross but yet living such disgraceful lives that they bring much shame to the name of Jesus. It is an extreme "faith only" cult, very much like modern easy believism, carnal christians, who deny that good works are necessary for salvation. Very much the church at Pergamos Rev. 2:14 "But I have a few things against you, because you have there those who hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balak to put a stumbling block before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed to idols, and to commit sexual immorality. It is only the overcomers who are truly saved, as in 2:7"...to him who overcomes I will give to eat from the tree of life, which is in the midst of the Paradise of God" It is only the good people who go to Heaven, the habitual sinners don't go to heaven. As psa.1 said, and Jesus taught. And Peter said " the righteous one is scarcely saved" You are still sounding like gnosticism which John fought in his epistles. The gnostics believed the body was evil, and the soul was good. They denied Jesus humanity, and they claimed a higher knowledge then the Scriptures. A knowledge from angels and spirits. You claim to have the Holy Spirit but you hate the truths of the Bible.You judge the Bible wrong from false knowledge from evil spirits talking to you. True Christians only go by the Bible, not experiences with or words of spirits. We condemn spiritual knowledge from out side the Bible. Even the Bible fundamentals deny parts of the Bible, but not as bad as you people do. some gnostics went into asceticism , but others just sinned heavy because the body didn't count ,it was the spirit that mater, This could be why you keep saying the body dies before the spirit can live in us, because the body is evil in nature while the spirit is good. You keep saying,"As for our imperfect bodies, it's already dead (by faith) because of sin Rom 8:10." This is crazy, our phy.body is alive. We die to the old sinful nature, not our phy.body. Paul rejected wicked sinners in the church and throw them out ,delivered them to satan, how can you say, "who can lay anything to the charge of those God has justified(Rom 8:33). You are crazy to follow voices, only follow the Scriptures. Loveto all Hopffco
C
If you are meaning to say that we can live in a habitual lifestyle contrary to God's will and still be walking on that compressed and narrow path which leads off to the right side of the Lord at Judgment, then I would have to disagree. But, if you are meaning to say that one who is upon that road can sometimes have a side-slip (perform a sin), with the understanding of repenting, then I am in agreement.
One is liable to disobedience (a child sometimes disobeys a parent), not as a habit, but to those limited times of frailties. It is always with the understanding of the need to abandon that "side-slip", or else one continues to walk contrary to the path the Spirit is showing one to walk on.
If you will, afford me this opportunity to grammatically translate those two verses and let us see what it is saying. This is not only for our benefit, but for all who will read.
seeing that = we first see that this is an explanation of why we should not forsake our assembling together. The purpose is explained in verse 24, and that is so that we can fully observe one another for the provoking/exhorting into love and good works.
willful = choosing by our freewill to either do or not do an act. So, willful sinning is "freely choosing to perform sin". But, we need to take note of the present participle. The present participle tells us of an act being performed now and with every indication of it continuing until it is stopped. We call this "habitual sin". Example: "he is swimming" and will continue swimming until he stops or is stopped. Point being, "willful sinning" is one choosing to continue in sin.
accepted...Truth = we, as Christians, are taught by the Holy Spirit, and by which Spirit, we are told the Truth. If, after having been told the Truth by the Spirit, and we then choose to continue to walk in defiance of that Truth, then we are walking (present participle) contrary to the path which leads to the Father. But, if we agree with the Spirit that what we are doing is sin and we repent, all is forgiven. Remember, we are talking about those who are in willful defiance to what the Spirit has told them is God's way.
sacrifice no longer remains = we first take note that "no longer" is in the absolute negative. Because of that, it cannot be negated because it is an absolute statement. So, there is absolutely no sacrifice which remains for those who willfully and unrependedly walk contrary to what the Spirit says.
the adversaries = who opposes God's will? As the word "adversary" tells us, those "contrary to, oppose to" following the Truth.
If one is able to continue to walk in contradiction to the Truth being told him, then not only those of the Law, but also those on the road to destruction have a justified case against God. And we know that those who are being spoken about are Christians, in that it says, "from us".
Thank you all for hearing me out.
One is liable to disobedience (a child sometimes disobeys a parent), not as a habit, but to those limited times of frailties. It is always with the understanding of the need to abandon that "side-slip", or else one continues to walk contrary to the path the Spirit is showing one to walk on.
If you will, afford me this opportunity to grammatically translate those two verses and let us see what it is saying. This is not only for our benefit, but for all who will read.
seeing that = we first see that this is an explanation of why we should not forsake our assembling together. The purpose is explained in verse 24, and that is so that we can fully observe one another for the provoking/exhorting into love and good works.
willful = choosing by our freewill to either do or not do an act. So, willful sinning is "freely choosing to perform sin". But, we need to take note of the present participle. The present participle tells us of an act being performed now and with every indication of it continuing until it is stopped. We call this "habitual sin". Example: "he is swimming" and will continue swimming until he stops or is stopped. Point being, "willful sinning" is one choosing to continue in sin.
accepted...Truth = we, as Christians, are taught by the Holy Spirit, and by which Spirit, we are told the Truth. If, after having been told the Truth by the Spirit, and we then choose to continue to walk in defiance of that Truth, then we are walking (present participle) contrary to the path which leads to the Father. But, if we agree with the Spirit that what we are doing is sin and we repent, all is forgiven. Remember, we are talking about those who are in willful defiance to what the Spirit has told them is God's way.
sacrifice no longer remains = we first take note that "no longer" is in the absolute negative. Because of that, it cannot be negated because it is an absolute statement. So, there is absolutely no sacrifice which remains for those who willfully and unrependedly walk contrary to what the Spirit says.
the adversaries = who opposes God's will? As the word "adversary" tells us, those "contrary to, oppose to" following the Truth.
If one is able to continue to walk in contradiction to the Truth being told him, then not only those of the Law, but also those on the road to destruction have a justified case against God. And we know that those who are being spoken about are Christians, in that it says, "from us".
Thank you all for hearing me out.
H
Jesus was asked what works we should do. He answered that our works are to believe in him, John 6:29.
Believing in Jesus are the good works we do.
Believing in Jesus is God's will for us, John 6:40.
Believing in Jesus gives us life everlasting, John 3:16.
In believing in Jesus we overcome the world, 1John 5:4,5
And unbelief in Jesus is the sin the world is convicted of (John 16:9).
Anyone who thinks that deeds of the law is part of the salvation package, is in unbelief, as you cannot mix grace with works of the law.
Rom 11:6
if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.
Legalists argue against belief in Jesus, describing it as "easy believism". They seek to lure people away from Christ. I suggest, for your own sake, that you avoid their doctrines, as a little leaven (doctrines of works of the law, as Jesus described in Matt 16:12) leavens the whole lump, Gal 5:9.
. Those who commit sexual immorality, as described in Rev 2, are those who are spiritually fornicating with Hagar/righteousness by works of the law, Gal 4:24. God gives many warnings in scripture to abstain from spiritual fornication with Hagar/righteousness by works of the law.
And note how we overcome, as Rev 2 speaks of.
1John 5:4,5
whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith. Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?
How do you define a good person?
How good a lifestyle do they live?
How do you define "habitual"?
Is it exceeding 7x70 transgressions of the law?
Can you please support this doctrinal claim you offer, with details in scripture.
Also, do you have a definition for the sin spoken of in 1John 1:8, if it refers to Christians, as you suggested?
Christians walk by faith, and you know what faith is already (Heb 11:1).
But the doctrine you follow proposes that we continue to see our physical bodies as not being crucified with Christ, nor as being dead because of sin. Hence this doctrine you follow claims we are to continue to judge our righteousness by it's deeds. That is error which contradicts the gospel.
You are referring to 1Cor 5 which is speaking against spiritual fornication within the church. The fornication it speaks against is fornication with Hagar/righteousness by works of the law, Gal 4:24. These spiritual fornicators are spiritual drunkards as they are drunk with the wine of fornication.
Rev 17:1,2
Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and talked with me, saying to me, “Come, I will show you the judgment of the great harlot who sits on many waters, with whom the kings of the earth committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth were made drunk with the wine of her fornication.”
Believing in Jesus are the good works we do.
Believing in Jesus is God's will for us, John 6:40.
Believing in Jesus gives us life everlasting, John 3:16.
In believing in Jesus we overcome the world, 1John 5:4,5
And unbelief in Jesus is the sin the world is convicted of (John 16:9).
Anyone who thinks that deeds of the law is part of the salvation package, is in unbelief, as you cannot mix grace with works of the law.
Rom 11:6
if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.
Legalists argue against belief in Jesus, describing it as "easy believism". They seek to lure people away from Christ. I suggest, for your own sake, that you avoid their doctrines, as a little leaven (doctrines of works of the law, as Jesus described in Matt 16:12) leavens the whole lump, Gal 5:9.
. Those who commit sexual immorality, as described in Rev 2, are those who are spiritually fornicating with Hagar/righteousness by works of the law, Gal 4:24. God gives many warnings in scripture to abstain from spiritual fornication with Hagar/righteousness by works of the law.
And note how we overcome, as Rev 2 speaks of.
1John 5:4,5
whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith. Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?
How do you define a good person?
How good a lifestyle do they live?
How do you define "habitual"?
Is it exceeding 7x70 transgressions of the law?
Can you please support this doctrinal claim you offer, with details in scripture.
Also, do you have a definition for the sin spoken of in 1John 1:8, if it refers to Christians, as you suggested?
Christians walk by faith, and you know what faith is already (Heb 11:1).
But the doctrine you follow proposes that we continue to see our physical bodies as not being crucified with Christ, nor as being dead because of sin. Hence this doctrine you follow claims we are to continue to judge our righteousness by it's deeds. That is error which contradicts the gospel.
You are referring to 1Cor 5 which is speaking against spiritual fornication within the church. The fornication it speaks against is fornication with Hagar/righteousness by works of the law, Gal 4:24. These spiritual fornicators are spiritual drunkards as they are drunk with the wine of fornication.
Rev 17:1,2
Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and talked with me, saying to me, “Come, I will show you the judgment of the great harlot who sits on many waters, with whom the kings of the earth committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth were made drunk with the wine of her fornication.”
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Hi Hoffco,
Just a post to clarify things further so there's no misunderstanding.
Nobody is suggesting that grace is a license to live selfishly.
No Christian is going to profit by doing wrong.
Consider King David who committed adultery and murder. God chastised him.
But each Christian is at a different stage of growth/maturity.
Therefore we should not be judging one another's righteousness or salvation based on behavior.
God is working in each Christian to build them up. Let Him do it without judging, condemning and interfering with their walk. Trust in Him to work in each of our lives.
Just a post to clarify things further so there's no misunderstanding.
Nobody is suggesting that grace is a license to live selfishly.
No Christian is going to profit by doing wrong.
Consider King David who committed adultery and murder. God chastised him.
But each Christian is at a different stage of growth/maturity.
Therefore we should not be judging one another's righteousness or salvation based on behavior.
God is working in each Christian to build them up. Let Him do it without judging, condemning and interfering with their walk. Trust in Him to work in each of our lives.
Thank you sir for that lesson, and it was very well done. However, I believe you missed something.
I would like to make a distinction between habitually sinning and willfully, deliberately, or intentionally sinning.
Habit- [TABLE]
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[TD="class: DEFINITION"]regularly repeated behavior pattern: an action or pattern of behavior that is repeated so often that it becomes typical of somebody, although he or she may be unaware of it I really need to get into the habit of writing down what I spend.
the annoying habit of finishing someone else's sentences [/TD]
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[TD="class: DEFINITION"]addiction: an addiction to a drug (slang)[/TD]
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[TD="class: DEFINITION"]persisting in behavior: continuing in a particular practice as a result of an ingrained tendency[/TD]
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Habitually sinning does not necessarily constitute a willingness to practice or be sinful. There are many Christians who don't want to sin but don't know how to stop either. They are trapped or held captive, in a prison of a sort. Like Paul was with the flesh.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Rom 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
Rom 7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
This varies from person to person, as we don't all see things the same way.
Jas_4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.
This is not about the acts one does, so much as, the condition of ones heart.
I would say both chapters 6 and 10 are talking about the same kind of person. These verses of scripture are not about a person who sins habitually, but basically, it is someone who has rejected Christ from their heart openly, after they have met the conditions listed in the following verses.
Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Heb 6:7 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:
Heb 6:8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.
Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Heb 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
Heb 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
When Jesus dealt with people, it was always based on, and directed at, the condition of the person's heart. God look at the thoughts and intentions of the heart of the person when they sin.
Luk 12:46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.
Luk 12:47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
Luk 12:48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.
This is not talking about eternal punishment, but stripes here on earth. One does not receive few stripes in hell. This might be one of the places the Catholics came up with purgatory, a temporary hell.
No, God chastens His children when they sin, and it is not with eternal punishment or damnation.
Col 3:25 But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done: and there is no respect of persons.
Gal_6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
Gal_6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption [physical infliction, decay, deterioration and finally death]; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
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Know,
Not ignoring you, just have several things to do today. But, a short response from the difference between "habitual" and "willful" as you explained it would be: thank you for taking the time to explain to me that difference. "Habitual" was a wrong choice of words. I was trying to use it to define "willful sinning" : to intently to be continuing in sin". I was trying to emphasize the present participle for understanding. Perhaps, you could also help me to express "willful sinning"?
I will be back to night and will read the rest of what you have said. Again, thanks for that distinction.
Not ignoring you, just have several things to do today. But, a short response from the difference between "habitual" and "willful" as you explained it would be: thank you for taking the time to explain to me that difference. "Habitual" was a wrong choice of words. I was trying to use it to define "willful sinning" : to intently to be continuing in sin". I was trying to emphasize the present participle for understanding. Perhaps, you could also help me to express "willful sinning"?
I will be back to night and will read the rest of what you have said. Again, thanks for that distinction.
H
To Know1, The verses in post 129 are good, but you came to a false conclusion because you did not listen to the verses . "Don't read into verses that which is not there. Gal 6: 7-10 is as plain as the nose on my face, It is the difference between "corruption" vs. "eternal life" Your conclusion of "temporal" discipline.e is wrong. And in Lk.12:46 "with the unbelievers" = Hell
(but conclusion because you did not listen to the verses. you twisted the verse to fill your bad theo.. Love to all, Hoffco
(but conclusion because you did not listen to the verses. you twisted the verse to fill your bad theo.. Love to all, Hoffco
C
To shorten the post down to readablity, I deleted the verses, but left their markers so that any can go and read them in Scriptjure.
As previously stated, and again "thanks", using "habitual" was a wrong choice of words and did not fit into what was being explained.
It is most wonderful how God gives us a method to escape the dictates of that wretched flesh. Let us all give thanks to God because of Jesus Christ and what He brought with Him in the new Covenant. Because of our Lord, we now serve God's Law (love (agape = love of esteem (love from the mind))) with the mind. But without Him, we would still be serving the Law. of sin (the laws which were to be done with fleshly effort). Romans 7:25
They who cannot break free from habitual sin (as per defined) tries to come in line with God's will with their flesh. Indeed, it is impossible (so many times have I attempted it, yet I remained a wretched man. What was I to do?). But our Lord has given us a new method. Die to your flesh and become alive to your spirit. Praise my God before me. In Him there is deliverance from that law of sin, the law which dictates those deadly dos and don'ts of the flesh. Let all know, obedience is not to the Law, but to the Spirit and by Him we do walk pleasingly before God. But, as children, we are yet not perfect in the mold God has planned us to be and there will be times of resisting, but like good children, we turn from our wayward way and continue our walk with the Lord.
And as the Spirit teaches us to do good, we do it and it is good. But, the one who knows to do good and still does not do it, to him it is sin, because the Spirit teaches nothing but only God's eternal way. But, as to food, drinks, and days it then is pesonal and as the Lord leads, so do.
I agree with you. And from the heart, one acts.
Again, I agree with you in what you said concerning those particular verses. But, we are still faced with the knowledge that "one who is intentionally (willfully) walking contrary to God's will (sinning) after having accepted what the Spirit told them concerning God's will (the acknowledgement of the Truth), with full intent of continuing walking that path without repenting, NO LONGER has a sacrifice for sins." With that intent, perhaps later he would repent, he is saying: I no longer wish to be walking on the path you are leading on". And, then steps off onto the spacous and broad road leading off into destruction. God is not a God who forces one's worship. Inasmuch as the fallen angels, unrependant sinners are/were giving the opportunity of freely following God, they who are on His path are also given that opportunity. Let no one think we can willfully walk contrary to God without changing and still remain upon that road. No!
But, as you pointed out: they who desire to remain on that path will receive for the wrong they have done, seeing that God's glory demands its justice without respect of persons.
As previously stated, and again "thanks", using "habitual" was a wrong choice of words and did not fit into what was being explained.
It is most wonderful how God gives us a method to escape the dictates of that wretched flesh. Let us all give thanks to God because of Jesus Christ and what He brought with Him in the new Covenant. Because of our Lord, we now serve God's Law (love (agape = love of esteem (love from the mind))) with the mind. But without Him, we would still be serving the Law. of sin (the laws which were to be done with fleshly effort). Romans 7:25
They who cannot break free from habitual sin (as per defined) tries to come in line with God's will with their flesh. Indeed, it is impossible (so many times have I attempted it, yet I remained a wretched man. What was I to do?). But our Lord has given us a new method. Die to your flesh and become alive to your spirit. Praise my God before me. In Him there is deliverance from that law of sin, the law which dictates those deadly dos and don'ts of the flesh. Let all know, obedience is not to the Law, but to the Spirit and by Him we do walk pleasingly before God. But, as children, we are yet not perfect in the mold God has planned us to be and there will be times of resisting, but like good children, we turn from our wayward way and continue our walk with the Lord.
And as the Spirit teaches us to do good, we do it and it is good. But, the one who knows to do good and still does not do it, to him it is sin, because the Spirit teaches nothing but only God's eternal way. But, as to food, drinks, and days it then is pesonal and as the Lord leads, so do.
I agree with you. And from the heart, one acts.
Again, I agree with you in what you said concerning those particular verses. But, we are still faced with the knowledge that "one who is intentionally (willfully) walking contrary to God's will (sinning) after having accepted what the Spirit told them concerning God's will (the acknowledgement of the Truth), with full intent of continuing walking that path without repenting, NO LONGER has a sacrifice for sins." With that intent, perhaps later he would repent, he is saying: I no longer wish to be walking on the path you are leading on". And, then steps off onto the spacous and broad road leading off into destruction. God is not a God who forces one's worship. Inasmuch as the fallen angels, unrependant sinners are/were giving the opportunity of freely following God, they who are on His path are also given that opportunity. Let no one think we can willfully walk contrary to God without changing and still remain upon that road. No!
But, as you pointed out: they who desire to remain on that path will receive for the wrong they have done, seeing that God's glory demands its justice without respect of persons.
D
Salvation is truly something that none of us can earn, because we did nothing to "earn" it. It's only by that grace of God we are saved. That doesn't mean works entirely go out the window and have no value whatsoever.....or that we can do whatever we want without consequences.
Matthew 5:16
"[SUP]16 [/SUP]Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven."
Romans 2:6
"Who will render to every man according to his deeds:"
Revelation 22:12
"And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be."
Jeremiah 17:10
"[SUP]10[/SUP] I the LORD search the heart, I try the mind,2 to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings "
2 Corinthians 5:10
"[SUP]10 [/SUP]For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad."
Matthew 5:16
"[SUP]16 [/SUP]Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven."
Romans 2:6
"Who will render to every man according to his deeds:"
Revelation 22:12
"And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be."
Jeremiah 17:10
"[SUP]10[/SUP] I the LORD search the heart, I try the mind,2 to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings "
2 Corinthians 5:10
"[SUP]10 [/SUP]For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad."
Thank you sir for your response. Generally, when I say something that people can't refute, or so it seems, I get no reply. When I see that I am wrong, though I don't like admitting it, I still let the other person know that they were right. It's when I don't know enough about a subject that I leave it alone. This happens to be one of those topics that I know a thing or two about.
I think you understand what I am talking about, and possibly agree, when I mentioned that many Christians are caught up in a habit or two and don't know how to get free, whether it is a physical addiction or psychological. Usually, it brings some type of temporary pleasure to the physical body or comfort to the mental state of the person. For instance, smoking, drinking too much alcohol, needing sex, and the like, is in a sense, a sin against the body. What about over eating or gluttony? It basically breaks down or causes harm to the temple of the Holy Ghost. Well, that's the physical aspect of a habit that one might be caught up in, and for the psychological, as for the males it might be pornography, women tend to worry, or maybe one might hold a grudge against or look down on a certain person or people because of whatever.
These things will not cause one to lose their salvation, though it is sinning and it does involve the heart, such sins, though it will cause at least one curse of the law to come on a person, even though it is written that they are redeemed from and made free from the curse of the law of sin and death, it will not cause them to loose their salvation. What soever a man sows that shall he also reap, right? Are we free from that spiritual law? Nope, it still applies.
Deu_30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you [both] life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live [in the blessings in the natural world]:
Psa_109:17 As he loved cursing, so let it come unto him: as he delighted not in blessing, so let it be far from him.
These are just a few, and though it can be a blessing or a curse, it still applies to the child of God. In this case, it is on the side of the curse.
Mat 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
Joh_20:23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.
Mat_18:18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
In the spirit world, that includes the heart of man, whatsoever we choose to hold on to or retain, such as a grudge, we will keep or retain, because we have refused to let it go in faith, but rather chose to hold it against or over the head of someone. We can choose to forgive and let it go or loose it, and it will go or be loosed from us.
We received Christ in our hearts by faith, confessing Him before men. In like manner, after we have met all the requirements in Hebrews 6, when a child of God rejects Christ, saying they do not want or need Him any longer, that person has sealed their fate. They have willfully sinned the sin of eternal separation/damnation from God our savior because he 'hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace.' This does not apply to baby Christians, but to the fully mature.
The child of God who sins habitually will generally have the same attitude as Paul did, though He continue in sin.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
On the other hand, the kind of person who has willfully sinned is the kind that has rejected Christ openly and has no intention of changing, but revels in his sins and desires to continue without any remorse, after they 'were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, and have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come'.
For it is impossible, if they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. Heb 6:4, Heb 6:6
This person started out loving God, received revelation knowledge of His word, had gifts operating in his life, and so on, then got caught up in a sin that was unto death.
1Jn_5:16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
Personally, I'm not sure if this is talking about physical death or eternal separation from God, I can see it going both ways.
For example, there was a beautiful woman who was a pastor's wife that had a good singing voice. One day, a demon sat on her shoulder and said, 'you are a beautiful woman with a wonderful voice, you could have all your dreams come true if you leave and sing for so and so. At first, she rebuked the thing, and it left for a period, then it came back and said the same thing to her and she rebuked it again, and it left again, but it came back a third time and repeated the same thing and this time she agreed with it and acted on it. Amo_3:3 Can two walk together, except they be agreed? This not only applies to two people agreeing together, but in order for some spirits to gain access or entry into a person, that person needs to agree with the stench/spirit and act on it. After the stench gains entry into the soul of the person, which I believe to be the door or gateway to the heart, it will work on the mind of the person to gain entry to the heart. Once in the heart of the person, it basically can control the intentions, thought, desires, imaginations,...etc., of the person to the point of denying publicly and not wanting anything to do with Christ Jesus. To me, this is what 'willfully sinning' is. Again, I believe it to be a condition of the heart of the person, rather than the act itself that would cause one to loose their salvation.
Please back up your claim with scripture sir.
I never try to twist scripture to fit my doctrine. On the contrary, I adjust my doctrine to line up with scripture. Which is more than I can say for most people. If you can prove to me your claim, though I wouldn't like to admit it, I would definitely change my doctrine.
Here are a few verses that say God does disciplines His children in the temporal sense. Though I can see where you might mistake some of the verses as eternal. There are of course many more I can use, for the bible is riddled with them.
I don't have time to go through every verse to explain why I see it as temporal, but they are listed here because of that very reason.
Much of this explains why people get sick and die prematurely.
1Co 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
1Co 11:28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
1Co 11:29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
1Co 11:30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.
1Co 11:31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
1Co 11:32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.
Col 3:25 But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done: and there is no respect of persons.
Gal_6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
Gal_6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
Gal 3:9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
Gal 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live [or walk, or do the works (of)] by faith.
Gal 3:12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
Gal 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
Gal 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Heb 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
Heb 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Joh 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Rom 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Rom 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
Rom 6:19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
Rom 6:20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
Rom 6:21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
Rom 6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Gal 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
Gal 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
Gal 6:9 And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.
Job_4:8 Even as I have seen, they that plow iniquity, and sow wickedness, reap the same.
Hos 10:12 Sow to yourselves in righteousness, reap in mercy; break up your fallow ground: for it is time to seek the LORD, till he come and rain righteousness upon you.
Hos 10:13 Ye have plowed wickedness, ye have reaped iniquity; ye have eaten the fruit of lies: because thou didst trust in thy way, in the multitude of thy mighty men.
2Co 9:6 But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully.
2Co 9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.
2Co 9:8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work:
Luk 6:38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.
Mat 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
Mat 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
Pro_3:12 For whom the LORD loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.
Pro_28:13 He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.
1Jn_1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Luk 12:45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;
Luk 12:46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.
Luk 12:47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
Luk 12:48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.
Heb 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
Heb 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
Heb 12:3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.
Heb 12:4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
Heb 12:5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
Heb 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
Heb 12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
Heb 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
Heb 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
Heb 12:10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
Heb 12:11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.
Heb 12:12 Wherefore lift up the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees;
Heb 12:13 And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way; but let it rather be healed.
Heb 12:14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:
Heb 12:15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;
Heb 12:16 Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.
Heb 12:17 For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.
Heb 12:18 For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest,
Heb 12:19 And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more:
Heb 12:20 (For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart:
Heb 12:21 And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake
Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
Heb 12:25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:
Heb 12:26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.
Heb 12:27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
Heb 12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
Heb 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.
Mat 6:12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
Mat 6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
Mat 6:14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
Mat 6:15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
Mat 18:21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
Mat 18:22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.
Mat 18:23 Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king, which would take account of his servants.
Mat 18:32 Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me:
Mat 18:33 Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?
Mat 18:34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.
Mat 18:35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.
1Pe 3:10 For he that will love life, and see good days, let him refrain his tongue from evil, and his lips that they speak no guile:
Jas 2:9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Jas 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
Jas 2:13 For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.
Jas 3:1 My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.
Jas 5:9 Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned: behold, the judge standeth before the door.
Jas 5:12 But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation.
Jas 5:14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
Jas 5:15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
Jas 5:16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.
1Pe 1:17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:
Jas 5:19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
Jas 5:20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
Joh 5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.
Joh 9:1 And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.
Joh 9:2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?
Joh 9:3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.
I never try to twist scripture to fit my doctrine. On the contrary, I adjust my doctrine to line up with scripture. Which is more than I can say for most people. If you can prove to me your claim, though I wouldn't like to admit it, I would definitely change my doctrine.
Here are a few verses that say God does disciplines His children in the temporal sense. Though I can see where you might mistake some of the verses as eternal. There are of course many more I can use, for the bible is riddled with them.
I don't have time to go through every verse to explain why I see it as temporal, but they are listed here because of that very reason.
Much of this explains why people get sick and die prematurely.
1Co 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
1Co 11:28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
1Co 11:29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
1Co 11:30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.
1Co 11:31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
1Co 11:32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.
Col 3:25 But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done: and there is no respect of persons.
Gal_6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
Gal_6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
Gal 3:9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
Gal 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live [or walk, or do the works (of)] by faith.
Gal 3:12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
Gal 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
Gal 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Heb 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
Heb 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Joh 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Rom 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Rom 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
Rom 6:19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
Rom 6:20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
Rom 6:21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
Rom 6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Gal 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
Gal 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
Gal 6:9 And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.
Job_4:8 Even as I have seen, they that plow iniquity, and sow wickedness, reap the same.
Hos 10:12 Sow to yourselves in righteousness, reap in mercy; break up your fallow ground: for it is time to seek the LORD, till he come and rain righteousness upon you.
Hos 10:13 Ye have plowed wickedness, ye have reaped iniquity; ye have eaten the fruit of lies: because thou didst trust in thy way, in the multitude of thy mighty men.
2Co 9:6 But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully.
2Co 9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.
2Co 9:8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work:
Luk 6:38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.
Mat 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
Mat 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
Pro_3:12 For whom the LORD loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.
Pro_28:13 He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.
1Jn_1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Luk 12:45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;
Luk 12:46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.
Luk 12:47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
Luk 12:48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.
Heb 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
Heb 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
Heb 12:3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.
Heb 12:4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
Heb 12:5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
Heb 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
Heb 12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
Heb 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
Heb 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
Heb 12:10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
Heb 12:11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.
Heb 12:12 Wherefore lift up the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees;
Heb 12:13 And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way; but let it rather be healed.
Heb 12:14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:
Heb 12:15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;
Heb 12:16 Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.
Heb 12:17 For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.
Heb 12:18 For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest,
Heb 12:19 And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more:
Heb 12:20 (For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart:
Heb 12:21 And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake
Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
Heb 12:25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:
Heb 12:26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.
Heb 12:27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
Heb 12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
Heb 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.
Mat 6:12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
Mat 6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
Mat 6:14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
Mat 6:15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
Mat 18:21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
Mat 18:22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.
Mat 18:23 Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king, which would take account of his servants.
Mat 18:32 Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me:
Mat 18:33 Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?
Mat 18:34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.
Mat 18:35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.
1Pe 3:10 For he that will love life, and see good days, let him refrain his tongue from evil, and his lips that they speak no guile:
Jas 2:9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Jas 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
Jas 2:13 For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.
Jas 3:1 My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.
Jas 5:9 Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned: behold, the judge standeth before the door.
Jas 5:12 But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation.
Jas 5:14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
Jas 5:15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
Jas 5:16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.
1Pe 1:17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:
Jas 5:19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
Jas 5:20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
Joh 5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.
Joh 9:1 And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.
Joh 9:2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?
Joh 9:3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.
No no, you haven't offended me at all sir. I apologize for my failure to convey my thoughts adequately. I wasn't talking about you at all. I deleted something out of that post which would have put this misunderstanding to rest. Only, it seemed to be out of place at the time, because by the time I posted it, you had already made a couple posts of your own.
I am the one who needs to be apologizing to you. So again, sorry for the misunderstanding.
What I had deleted was the fact that you took the time to let me know that you were not ignoring my post, when I thought you were. So I was thanking you for that and at the same time letting you know what some others had done. I should have deleted the rest of what I wrote to avoid any confusion. Again, I apologize for missing that and any offense you may have taken.