Fear Peace and the love of God

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Lion222

Lion222

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Bbrdrd said:
I'm not sure it's necessary. Fear certainly hasn't been a motivator in my life towards anything good. And that kind of fear is exactly what's addressed in 1 John.

Recognizing that I am loved has caused me to avoid far more sin than fear of punishment. In fact, fear of punishment use to feed a vicious loop of sin in my life and it wasn't until I finally prayed for God to reveal His judgment against me that I was set free.

Maybe for some the fear is a necessary ingredient, but to me when I read "the fear of God" I read it as respect/reverential awe.
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The Fear of God is the beginning of understanding.
Once your fear is firmly placed in God you have peace because you have come to know of his love and now keep his commandments because you love Him back.
We may not be logically aware that is what has happened, but it is.
Everything we have, has its rightful place.
 
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Lion222 said:
But later it is fearing God as our Father knowing what he expects from us.
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Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground outside your Father’s care. And even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. So don’t be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows.
Matt 10:29-31

But the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary; you have found favor with God. You will conceive and give birth to a son, and you are to call him Jesus Luke 1:30-31 I added this one because it illustrates my previous post wherein I said those who had an encounter with an angelic being were always afraid but they were reassured and told not to fear

There is no fear in love, but perfect love drives out fear, because fear involves punishment. The one who fears has not been perfected in love. I John 4:18

The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to sonship. And by him we cry, “Abba, Father. Romans 8:15

Do not be anxious about anything, but in every situation, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God. And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus. Phil 4: 6-7


and so many many more.
 
Lion222

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lenna said:
from what I can see in scripture, everyone who had an encounter with an angel or 'the angel of the Lord' were in great fear. no one was like 'oh hey dude. wasup?'

and every one of them were told not to fear

I don't think we should be spinning the word 'fear' here in a way that is obviously not intended

just my 2.5 pennies
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That might have something to do with the angels purpose regarding you.
Sodom and Gomorrah might have done well to fear.

The wicked do not fear God.
 
Lion222

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Destruction and unhappiness in their ways: and the way of peace they have
not known: there is no fear of God before their eyes - Psalm 24:3

the way of peace they have not known. There is no fear of God before their eyes. - Romans 3:8

There is no fear of God before their eyes - Psalm 36:1

he will not lengthen his life like a shadow, since he has no fear before God - Ecclesiastics 8:13

Because they are unchanged, they have no fear of God - Psalm 55:19

Do not fear what they fear - 1 Peter 3:14

Slaves, be obedient to those who are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in the sincerity of your heart, as to Christ; -Eph 6:5

So then, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your salvation with fear and trembling; - Phl 2:12

If you address as Father the One who impartially judges according to each one's work, conduct yourselves in fear during the time of your stay on earth; - 1 Peter 1:17

Clearly there is a time to fear and reasons to fear and a time to not fear and reasons to not fear.
Gods time and reasons our for us and His ways are for our life and peace.
 
Nehemiah6

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Bbrdrd said:
Fear has to do with punishment, once you've been judged by God you need not fear punishment because you know His judgment.
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There are several kinds of fear presented in Scripture: (1) the fear of man (which bringeth a snare), (2) the reverential fear of God which is expected of God's children, and (3) the fear of God's judgment and eternal Hell, which should be within every unsaved person. Then there is the fearfulness of those who allow fear to control their hearts and minds, whether the threats are real or imagined.

The title connects three unrelated topics.
 
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lenna

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Lion222 said:
That might have something to do with the angels purpose regarding you.
Sodom and Gomorrah might have done well to fear.

The wicked do not fear God.
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well we are not seeing the same thing then

so how do you apply all the many verses in scripture and passages as well, where God is saying do not fear or the writer is saying'I will not fear'
 
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Lion222 said:
If you address as Father the One who impartially judges according to each one's work, conduct yourselves in fear during the time of your stay on earth; - 1 Peter 1:17
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that is not fear as in I gotta hide...like Adam and Eve in the garden

you seem not to acknowledge reverential fear as described in the post above by Nehemiah

at this point, I am wondering and asking you, what is the purpose of your thread? are you trying to say people should be afraid of God whether or not they believe and by that I mean scared?
 
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Lion222 said:
The Fear of God is the beginning of understanding.
Once your fear is firmly placed in God you have peace because you have come to know of his love and now keep his commandments because you love Him back.
We may not be logically aware that is what has happened, but it is.
Everything we have, has its rightful place.
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The question is what you mean by fear. Those who know God do not cower before Him terrified He will punish them. We know He corrects us but His correction is not something to be afraid of.

We delight in the fear of God which is something far different from what "fear" means today. Those who fear punishment do not come before God with their sin seeking His riches to free them from it.

In fact, that kind of fear often leads to more sin because it induces unnecessary shame and guilt and that causes a further drawing away from God.

So what do you mean by "fear"?
 
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