Fight the good fight of faith

[InSpiritInTruth]

Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

You are right concerning what you said in your post,but in this point the saints are not overcome in a spiritual way,but they are overcome in a physical way,if you are saying that some are overcome in a spiritual way,for the beast makes war against all the saints because they did not take the mark,and he makes war against them physically.These saints could not be deceived by the beast,and would not take his mark,so the beast makes war against the saints,and prevails against them physically.

Dan 7:21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them.

Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time(three and one half years).

Dan 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
Dan 8:24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people(physically).

Dan 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

In this instance the saints are not overcome spiritually,but overcome physically,as the beast makes war against them,and when he shall accomplish to scatter their power,then all the things in Daniel shall be finished,and it will be the time for God to put down the world.

That saints being overcome in that instance is in a physical fashion because they did not go along with the beast,and would not take the mark of the beast,so they were not deceived spiritually,and they are the elect,so they could not be deceived spiritually,and since they did not go along with the beast,he goes against them physically,and that is how they were overcome.

How does the whole world worship the Red Dragon=Satan, aka the Devil? There is not going to be a giant red dragon statue erected for people to worship. The whole world worships the Devil by doing his desires= living in sin.

The saints that are overcome spiritually fall back into a lifestyle of sin and are deceived by the false doctrines from the many deceivers that were prophesied to come. This speaks of one who was once a believer, but fell away from the faith.

[h=1]2 Peter 2:19-20[/h] [SUP]19 [/SUP]While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.

[SUP]20 [/SUP]For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

 

[Grace777x70]

It is all of his followers who are wrestling with the scriptures because they follow his false teachings that are contrary to the scriptures.

No...the gospel of the grace of Christ just "conflicts" with your self-works religion which is why you have so many people against your teachings and many have said they have had to put you on ignore because your posts are full of condemnation and hatred.

You never talk about the grace and beauty of the Lord Jesus Christ - how great our salvation is in Him. This reveals the "spirit" that is driving you which is why most people just ignore your posts. I just try to give out the gospel with your posts so that no new people are deceived and put under condemnation.

Come to trust in the Lord ISIT - it is hard for you to kick against the goads. Acts 26:14

I have good news for you - the Lord is going to come visit you and He is going to wrap His arms around you and show you His great love and grace towards you. I am very excited for you!

 

[Talishi]

It appears to me this thread is at the core a wrestling over Joseph Prince and has little to do with what Scripture actually says.

1 Corinthians 3:4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Yes..the word for "remaineth" is in the Greek present tense...it's an on-going truth happening in the present for those that choose to believe in Christ's finished work. It is not a future thing - it is now as is clearly seen by the tenses of the verbs in Heb. 4:9-11

Also the Greek word for "remaineth" means something that is "left behind" - it's for us to pick up and believe in the rest of Christ.

Mr twister is his name, and twisting scriptures is his game,.... Mr. Twister. (sung to the old Roto-Rooter gingle) LOL

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

No...the gospel of the grace of Christ just "conflicts" with your self-works religion which is why you have so many people against your teachings and many have said they have had to put you on ignore because your posts are full of condemnation and hatred.

You never talk about the grace and beauty of the Lord Jesus Christ - how great our salvation is in Him. This reveals the "spirit" that is driving you which is why most people just ignore your posts. I just try to give out the gospel with your posts so that no new people are deceived and put under condemnation.

Come to trust in the Lord ISIT - it is hard for you to kick against the goads. Acts 26:14

I have good news for you - the Lord is going to come visit you and He is going to wrap His arms around you and show you His great love and grace towards you. I am very excited for you!

It's the Lord who sent me.

 

[eph610]

Read my posts again, I said we are empowered by God to be able to overcome, but you must fight and resist temptation and sin, even bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ. This is only possible by being born again of God's Spirit. But you hyper-grace followers are always trying to prop up the D.I.Y. "self righteousness" straw man; that dog won't hunt with me.

While you fight, resist and bring into captivity in your own strength, I will be letting grace teach me to do in my Spirit what you are doing in your flesh....that is the difference between us friend, you fight from your own strength, grace teaches me and guides me to live more holy on accident than you will ever in self determined purpose...

Get off the merry go round of works and sin consciousness.....

Titus 2.11-15
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men, [SUP]12 [/SUP]instructing us to deny ungodliness and worldly desires and to live sensibly, righteously and godly in the present age, [SUP]13 [/SUP]looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus, [SUP]14 [/SUP]who gave Himself for us to redeem us from every lawless deed, and to purify for Himself a people for His own possession, zealous for good deeds.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]These things speak and exhort and reprove with all authority. Let no one disregard you.

 

[Grace777x70]

It's the Lord who sent me.

The Spirit of God lifts up Christ and His work. The Spirit of God loves to talk about the beauty of Christ and all that He has done. The Spirit of God loves to speak of the grace of God - He is called the Spirit of grace.

The Spirit of God loves to tell about the great love that God has for us and how we are strong in Him and that He is faithful to us and loves us dearly.

When someone never talks about Jesus and His love and grace but in all posts there is nothing but condemnation, demonic, death, sin and accursedness and evil and hatred - there is something wrong.

The gospel of the grace of Christ is never spoken of - the Lord Jesus and His beauty is never spoken about. All this speaks volumes to me.

Jesus in His own words had this to say about "this spirit".

Luke 9:54-56 (NASB)
[SUP]54 [/SUP] When His disciples James and John saw this, they said, "Lord, do You want us to command fire to come down from heaven and consume them?"

[SUP]55 [/SUP] But He turned and rebuked them, and said, "You do not know what kind of spirit you are of;

[SUP]56 [/SUP] for the Son of Man did not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them."

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

We don't make the old man dead or finally make him dead - he died with Christ on the cross. It's in knowing this that we are able to walk in victory too which is in Christ - that He has already won for us.

Romans 6:6 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

Romans 6:6 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

What does "might be" mean? Are you still sinning, and have you brought into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ? Never mind, I already know the answer to that by your past confessions, so you might want to work on putting to death the deeds of the body (flesh)=body of sin

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

The Spirit of God lifts up Christ and His work. The Spirit of God loves to talk about the beauty of Christ and all that He has done. The Spirit of God loves to speak of the grace of God - He is called the Spirit of grace.

The Spirit of God loves to tell about the great love that God has for us and how we are strong in Him and that He is faithful to us and loves us dearly.

When someone never talks about Jesus and His love and grace but in all posts there is nothing but condemnation, demonic, death, sin and accursedness and evil and hatred - there is something wrong.

The gospel of the grace of Christ is never spoken of - the Lord Jesus and His beauty is never spoken about. All this speaks volumes to me.

Jesus in His own words had this to say about "this spirit".

Luke 9:54-56 (NASB)
[SUP]54 [/SUP] When His disciples James and John saw this, they said, "Lord, do You want us to command fire to come down from heaven and consume them?"

[SUP]55 [/SUP] But He turned and rebuked them, and said, "You do not know what kind of spirit you are of;

[SUP]56 [/SUP] for the Son of Man did not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them."

You act like you know Him?

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

While you fight, resist and bring into captivity in your own strength, I will be letting grace teach me to do in my Spirit what you are doing in your flesh....that is the difference between us friend, you fight from your own strength, grace teaches me and guides me to live more holy on accident than you will ever in self determined purpose...

Get off the merry go round of works and sin consciousness.....

Again, not my own strength, that straw man has already been tried several times now in this thread.

1 Timothy 1:19

Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck:

 

[Grace777x70]

What does "might be" mean? Are you still sinning, and have you brought into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ? Never mind, I already know the answer to that by your past confessions, so you might want to work on putting to death the deeds of the body (flesh)=body of sin

Simple...it's called a "dependent clause" in the Greek.

The usage of the Greek word "hina" which means " that" is before " might be"

It is a statement of fact. Our old man was crucified with Him that the body of sin might be destroyed. Romans 6:6

Romans 6:6 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

The subjunctive in Greek in some cases is used because a "dependent clause" has been made. In this case - "Our old man was crucified with Him" - this is the dependent clause.

Here is an example = "I went to the bank so that I may give you some money." - going to the bank was the "dependent clause"


Here is the resource for this: ( I realize this conflicts with some of your pet religious beliefs )


The subjunctive mood is used in both independent (main) and depended (subordinate) clauses

More Detailed Use of the Greek Subjunctive Mood - Framed View

As far as "you might want to work on putting to death the deeds of the body" This reveals your works-based religion because it is by the Spirit that we put to death the deeds of the body. You always leave the Holy Spirit and the life of Christ out in your teachings and replace Them with your own works.

Anyway - enough has been said by people here to help the new people from being condemned by your religious self-works based doctrines. I'm out of the thread as all that needs to be said has been.

 

[UnderGrace]

It is a spiritual battle, yes, but Paul tells us to take on the whole armor of God, it is not our armor.
Does the armor not protect in the battle?

I do not run across the field in my armor saying "charge" Jesus already did that,the armor is sufficient that I stand still and rest in it knowing that when I am in that suit the battle is already one.

Of course there are forces against us but we are protected in Him being in His armor.

At the end of Ephesians 6 Paul sates "that grace be with all those who love our Lord Jesus Christ in sincerity."
Loving the Lord Jesus is our recovery and triumph.

I am only on the side of Jesus and His enduring love, grace and salvation on which I stand.

If Ephesians 6 is not a spiritual battle, is it then a physical one?

What is interesting is that I would/might say almost all of the same things you say in your post --
I think the problem in this thread is that both sides are afraid if they agree at all with the other on anything they won't come out on top!??

 

[FreeNChrist]

It's the Lord who sent me.

Oh brother...

 

[disciplemike]

[SUP]12 [/SUP]instructing us to deny ungodliness and worldly desires and to live sensibly, righteously and godly in the present age, [SUP]13 [/SUP]looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus, [SUP]14 [/SUP]who gave Himself for us to redeem us from every lawless deed, and to purify for Himself a people for His own possession, zealous for good deeds.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]These things speak and exhort and reprove with all authority. Let no one disregard you.

sounds like this is what we try to do.

 

[FreeNChrist]

Are you still sinning, and have you brought into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ?

Are you still sinning? Have you brought into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ?

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

While you fight, resist and bring into captivityin your own strength, (snip)

Thats not what it says there or what he said, it begins here

2Cr 10:4-5 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;) Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

But you in contrast say

I will be letting grace teach me to do in my Spirit what you are doing in your flesh....

This is what grace teaches us

Titus 2:12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world

So that is what true grace teaches us to do, and its through the Spirit we do so in the flesh

Romans 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

Which is not to live after it, and you run off the strawman of his own strength again

that is the difference between us friend, you fight from your own strength, (snip)

Neither he nor the verses speaks of their own strength (only you do)

Read my posts again, I said we are empowered by God to be able to overcome, but you must fight and resist temptation and sin, even bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ. This is only possible by being born again of God's Spirit. But you hyper-grace followers are always trying to prop up the D.I.Y. "self righteousness"straw man; that dog won't hunt with me.

He didnt say what you said.

grace teaches me and guides me to live more holy on accident than you will ever in self determined purpose...

Grace teaches and guides you to be more holy on accident?

That was cute

 

[gb9]

Are you still sinning? Have you brought into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ?

yeah, he talks around it, never really says it straight-up, but sinless perfectionism junk is the bottom line to his string-every-verse-about-sin-hell-punishment-and -present-it-as-the-Bible-teaching.

 

[UnderGrace]

What does "might be" mean? Are you still sinning, and have you brought into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ? Never mind, I already know the answer to that by your past confessions, so you might want to work on putting to death the deeds of the body (flesh)=body of sin

And how might we do this, put to death the deeds of the flesh, do tell?

 

[gb9]

Thats not what it says there or what he said, it begins here

2Cr 10:4-5 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;) Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

But you in contrast say



This is what grace teaches us

Titus 2:12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world

So that is what true grace teaches us to do, and its through the Spirit we do so in the flesh

Romans 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

Which is not to live after it, and you run off the strawman of his own strength again



Neither he nor the verses speaks of their own strength (only you do)



He didnt say what you said.



Grace teaches and guides you to be more holy on accident?

That was cute

take a little Titus, a little Romans, a little 2nd Corinthians, mix it together, and what comes out? false works salavtionism teaching.

one should not just pluck out verses and build theology around them

 

[followjesus]

yeah, he talks around it, never really says it straight-up, but sinless perfectionism junk is the bottom line to his string-every-verse-about-sin-hell-punishment-and -present-it-as-the-Bible-teaching.

there actually is a command/ teaching that keps a repentant and obedient person "perfect" and likens Him to the Father...but you have to accept and obey it.

matthew 5:43-48 "You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect."

which the teaching isnt "be perfect" the teaching is to be like God, be merciful even to enemies, forgive, actually treat those who wrong you with mercy, with Loving actions. in obeying this He actually" likens us to be as the Father" God has been merciful to forgive our prior lives, we have all wronged one another, which is a transgression of the Law. therefore we have sinned against God. He has poured mercy out from The body of Jesus Christ upon even the worst, and as all of the gospel, we are to return the same Love He gave. His commands are about treating other people with Loving actions, and in Christ, this is what "perfects" repentance is a command, that is found also in repenting of inward evil like lust, greed pride ect because thats where the actions are born and come forth from.

Perfection is found in " forgiving others when they offend you, in Loving those who dont love us, Just as God has Loved us, who did not Love Him. There will be no sin in eternal Life, there will be nothing but sin in eternal torment, repentance is a wonderful thing, its a gift to submit to God and resist satan, never fails